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hero member
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February 29, 2016, 09:36:50 AM
#71
I will talk to him later (I have his phone number contact) and see whether he has control over the account (although last time I spoke to him he did). Again all Im saying is that this all seems suspicious given my previous experience with him (and many people including people like the core developer at DigiByte, Jared, can testify to that fact).

hero member
Activity: 517
Merit: 500
aka alaniz
February 29, 2016, 09:25:04 AM
#70
I will talk to him later (I have his phone number contact) and see whether he has control over the account (although last time I spoke to him he did). Again all Im saying is that this all seems suspicious given my previous experience with him (and many people including people like the core developer at DigiByte, Jared, can testify to that fact).
copper member
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Merit: 1874
Goodbye, Z.
February 29, 2016, 04:41:24 AM
#69
Esoteric could have potentially been hacked
If so, even more reasons to neg tag the account, if not, well the current reasons apply.
hero member
Activity: 517
Merit: 500
aka alaniz
February 29, 2016, 04:39:37 AM
#68
Esoteric could have potentially been hacked but from personal experience I can't imagine him scamming anybody, he's always been a good member of the community and I've personally never had problems with him. Again just my 2 cents.
sr. member
Activity: 258
Merit: 250
February 29, 2016, 12:14:19 AM
#67

Its related to everything - but that example is good, because you can see straight how this board is being made fun of and all people responsible are watching this show like kids listening in first grade to the teacher.

Just waiting for the new wave now.
legendary
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www.explorerz.top
sr. member
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Merit: 250
February 28, 2016, 08:24:04 PM
#65
This scam is hilarious and reminds me instantly of:

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

 Cheesy Grin

The scale of scams is increasing so much and so deep into the deep core of this boards accounts, that its just a matter of time until more "heroes" turn into "villains". They are not even "individuals", whole groups now and this thread is rather proof of how easy it is to stall and steal along the way and by now all of them have surely already made enough (they wouldnt do kamikaze killing an account before turning it into profit) to just laugh at this and continue on with the next one.

Like in chess, they are protecting their kings and queens with horses and towers - that is after you managed your way through the pawns.

How much longer you think until there will be open accusations against the people (somewhere outside of bitcointalk as Im sure here they would get deleted instantly) running this board in assisting, providing the grounds and protection, enabling and closing both eyes for/on scammers?

Imagine we dont play police academy here but ask a crime investigator, based on all material, on his opinion? Make some crowdfunding for that, get one and I think you would be surprised. Already in the first step, after going through the amount of scams and accounts involved, leads will first point to the ones with the biggest power on this board and they cant hide behind some "right for privacy" (keeping their mouths shut) right. Oh yea, they can in court, but the judge will consider that in his final verdict.

Lets imagine they are all "innocent", THEN, instead of a crime investigator, make a crowdfunding for a doctor/psychiatrist - because surely the diagnosis must be "blindness" , "mentally handicapped" or some form of "autism" - because thats whats going on here is not normal. How can this be going on for such a long time and the only excuse is like "you have to be smart & use escrow" - and then when you do that - like a miracle, all scammers start using higher and higher accounts and more & more of them. And nobody noticed or did anything? Its all normal? Sure. Anyone ever calculated how many scams happened here and how much more or less the amount was in total?  I think you would end up in the newspaper with it - you are partly protected due to non-interest by public. This board is an open invitation for scammers. Perhaps you should create also ranks for them? Like "Joker" or "Two-Face"? Robert should get his own avater, dont you think? To make it even easier, scammers should leave positive/negative feedback the other way round (i think one did once ala "Can recommend this guy, really easy to scam" - that was funny).

A side-product of this all is that you create scammers yourself, especially many newbies, they learn quickly what kind of rotten format this all has and in order to get their money back, they just copy the scams - its just too easy. If this is supposed to be the "Bitcoin way of living" then its shit and deserves to be labled with terrorists, illegal activities and dodgy business.

Lets say, some people higher up even know its going on like this but "dont care" because, for instance, they "expect a certain rational maturity when dealing with people" etc. - then you should be tried for "failure to render assistance". I would love to see the "right for privacy & account selling" vs. "failure to render assistance" in court.

And yes, dont start with Bitcoin blabla.. anonymity ... blabla... before and after all that, there is a rule of law. A scam is a scam, even when you scam for heroin - there is no excuse contrary to what is scammed and what kind of form it has. Later the guy scamming the heroin, in this example, will get prosecuted for illegal substance blabla.. but, the scam itself is another crime. A scam is like a planned intention of harming someone else - and at times, for this alone you will get a harsher penalty than for what the scam was.

Im telling, to finish off the way i started, for all heroes:

"There is a storm coming"

 





hero member
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February 28, 2016, 07:03:39 PM
#64
-snip-

haha. That is 100% photoshopped. Notice how it says "Sent to Intermediary" but is apparently a message from me?  In order for that to be legit it would mean that the screenshot was taken from my outbox.
Also, this is not true as any PM that comes to your Inbox comes with "Sent to [your username here]".
newbie
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February 28, 2016, 07:01:03 PM
#63
When I got the unsolicited pm from esotoricizm, I looked, not just at the number of posts he had to his name.  I looked also at the actual posts he was making.  And like you, I thought I was dealing with someone trustworthy.  And if you read my Skype chat with the skype ID I was given in his pm and which Shorena can confirm he gave me to invite me to Skype, I also reassured him I had no problem going first with the transaction as I could see he was trustworthy.

There is no one on this planet that can come up with any proof of me running a scam.  Several of us, not just me, are out of pocket after dealings with your mate which started with messages from his account.  And during this time, he has come on her to post, not to ask, how can this be happening, and look into it from his end, but to say it can't be true because it was photoshopped.  If that is his only defence of being innocent, a top moderator has seen with her own eyes that there was no photoshop of anything in my inbox.

Lol, do you need me to ask the Radium developers or DigiByte core developers to change something on their btctalk ANN OPs for you guys to believe I'm actually who I say I am?

I did notice that post by that global moderator but it doesn't really explain anything imho. I'm just giving my opinion on my dealings with esotericizm, he's been trustworthy towards me is all I can really say. I don't have all the facts it seems but I will be watching to see if the moderators resolve this issue.
copper member
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February 28, 2016, 04:38:10 PM
#62
Lol, do you need me to ask the Radium developers or DigiByte core developers to change something on their btctalk ANN OPs for you guys to believe I'm actually who I say I am?

I did notice that post by that global moderator but it doesn't really explain anything imho. I'm just giving my opinion on my dealings with esotericizm, he's been trustworthy towards me is all I can really say. I don't have all the facts it seems but I will be watching to see if the moderators resolve this issue.
esotericizm had previously posted a screenshot of what he claimed to be his outbox showing that he never contacted the OP, and therefore never could have communicated via skype. The fact that esotericizm actually sent the OP a PM means that he presented a doctored screenshot (or otherwise was misleading his involvement with the OP), and it would be reasonable to conclude that he did in fact scam the OP
hero member
Activity: 517
Merit: 500
aka alaniz
February 28, 2016, 04:26:11 PM
#61
Lol, do you need me to ask the Radium developers or DigiByte core developers to change something on their btctalk ANN OPs for you guys to believe I'm actually who I say I am?

I did notice that post by that global moderator but it doesn't really explain anything imho. I'm just giving my opinion on my dealings with esotericizm, he's been trustworthy towards me is all I can really say. I don't have all the facts it seems but I will be watching to see if the moderators resolve this issue.
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
February 28, 2016, 04:20:17 PM
#60
Guys this bitkapp is obviously another account he bought or something like that. Only a person with mental illness would say anything like this after all the 100 proofs provided and confirmations from moderators.
I really suggest you to monitor him...
copper member
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1874
Goodbye, Z.
February 28, 2016, 04:16:08 PM
#59
Its absolutely horrible that a respected member of this community gets slandered in the way your being slandered esotericizm, this is so obviously photoshopped and fake it actually made me laugh. Imvho the person who started this thread should get banned from this forum for fraud.
Great job of reading the thread, like the post by grue above, who has access to PMs and confirms those PMs have been sent, or the post by shorena a little more up above, who was granted access to the account of Intermediary and confirmed the PMs that account recieved.
If you have not read through the thread, sometimes saying nothing at all is the better option.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1005
4 Mana 7/7
February 28, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
#58
Its absolutely horrible that a respected member of this community gets slandered in the way your being slandered esotericizm, this is so obviously photoshopped and fake it actually made me laugh. Imvho the person who started this thread should get banned from this forum for fraud.
Ok now this is horseshit, have you actually seen what the last post(by a Global mdoerator) in this thread has been about?
hero member
Activity: 517
Merit: 500
aka alaniz
February 28, 2016, 04:13:10 PM
#57
Well, how about this non-photoshopped screen shot of when you told me this morning to contact you on your skype id of esotericizm99.  Or did I photoshop that image too?



A member since May 2013 and in a 24 hour period you scam two newbies then block them on PM.  

lol what? That image from the OP has been photoshopped. I don't type in broken/pidgeon english.

Seems like somebodies not happy with the work I've been doing on DigiByte. Member since May 2013 why would I choose to now scam some newbie?

Rofl in the screenshots of Skype my username is esotericizm99 when in actual fact I  use esotericizm88 (cos I was born in 88).

Screenshot of my actual outbox.

 


haha. That is 100% photoshopped. Notice how it says "Sent to Intermediary" but is apparently a message from me?  In order for that to be legit it would mean that the screenshot was taken from my outbox.

Its absolutely horrible that a respected member of this community gets slandered in the way your being slandered esotericizm, this is so obviously photoshopped and fake it actually made me laugh. Imvho the person who started this thread should get banned from this forum for fraud.
legendary
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1452
February 28, 2016, 03:02:58 PM
#56
Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
adrenn1 has reported the below personal message, sent by esotericizm, for the following reason:
Proof that he sent this PM. The sender says he didn't in this scam accusation. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/beware-of-this-hero-member-he-is-a-scammer-1379371

Below are the original contents of the personal message which was reported:
Hi

I seen you got scammed by someone for MSDN account, sorry for your loss

If you want to buy admin account I can sell price 75$ btc/pm
copper member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1528
No I dont escrow anymore.
February 28, 2016, 12:10:45 PM
#55
http://pastebin.com/vE8FjWHC

That is enough right there

Sounds like someone fell for the "Im a Hero on bitcointalk", "cool, prove it", "sure, just 1 hour" repeat until the other party gives up asking.

@adrenn1 wana give me access to your bitcointalk.org account so I can verify the PM? might not be needed -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14039918

Edit: story confirmed, see link above.
member
Activity: 81
Merit: 10
February 28, 2016, 07:59:44 AM
#54
Two scam accusations against this Hero member now, this one and https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/be-warned-hero-member-scammer-esotericizm-1379681

Still no neg rep from ANY DT1 or 2... this proves CLEARLY that the system doesn't work with the trust abusers currently in DT1 and 2.

Enough said.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
I AM
February 28, 2016, 07:13:01 AM
#53
http://pastebin.com/vE8FjWHC

That is enough right there
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
February 28, 2016, 07:08:57 AM
#52
You know your account has not been hacked which is why your response to these accusations isn't concern that such could be possible but to call your accusers liars.   The fact remains, whether you are in on it or not, that innocent people on this forum cannot trade with confidence with anyone in your name.  The negative record should not be removed from your account (which I believe you have successfully had done in the past)

I've done a screen grab of my inbox which shows my inbox message summary with the 3 pms received from you yesterday.   I am happy to post that here to show who sent what to whom and when.  However it does show other individuals that also sent me pms (pms since 2011 when I first joined this forum) and I don't know if that is okay to be displaying the names of people not involved in this scam.  Of course, if I had photoshop skills, I could edit their names out!!!

Well, how about this non-photoshopped screen shot of when you told me this morning to contact you on your skype id of esotericizm99.  Or did I photoshop that image too?

http://imgur.com/8VCeDEh

A member since May 2013 and in a 24 hour period you scam two newbies then block them on PM.  

lol what? That image from the OP has been photoshopped. I don't type in broken/pidgeon english.

Seems like somebodies not happy with the work I've been doing on DigiByte. Member since May 2013 why would I choose to now scam some newbie?

Rofl in the screenshots of Skype my username is esotericizm99 when in actual fact I  use esotericizm88 (cos I was born in 88).

Screenshot of my actual outbox.

 


haha. That is 100% photoshopped. Notice how it says "Sent to Intermediary" but is apparently a message from me?  In order for that to be legit it would mean that the screenshot was taken from my outbox.
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