okpay is scamer
they eat up my 2200$
Topic: BEWARE OKPAY bank wires (Read 7678 times)
Why you don't send the money direct to BTC-e by bank wire , I think that is cheaper
agreed. okpay and btc-e use same financial company for receiving international wire, the fee is the same as well, 1% of deposited amount + 20usd. Also, 0.5% will be charged for deposit usd to btc-e from okpay. thus, it is wise to fund your btc-e account by doing wire to btc-e directly instead of going through okpay.
Why you don't send the money direct to BTC-e by bank wire , I think that is cheaper
In my country international transfer raised a fixed charged around US$60, so if you make a transfer of US$600 only it accounts for 10%, and if you transfer for US$6000 it only account for 1%
I've sent many wires to okpay, never an issue.
The fee situation seems ridiculous, but more worrying is the fact that they haven't acknowledged receiving the funds.
SWIFT is just a messaging protocol, the actual funds settlement is handled between correspondent accounts maintained by the banks so it is possible for the message to have been received but the funds not settled.
I've had wires go missing in the past and my bank has been able to put a trace and give me proof that the funds were settled. You should definitely request that from your own bank.
There is no scenario, in my experience, that could explain a month long delay, especially if the recipient is making inquiries on its end. That leads me to believe that either OKPay is playing games or they really couldn't care less about their customers.
SWIFT is just a messaging protocol, the actual funds settlement is handled between correspondent accounts maintained by the banks so it is possible for the message to have been received but the funds not settled.
I've had wires go missing in the past and my bank has been able to put a trace and give me proof that the funds were settled. You should definitely request that from your own bank.
There is no scenario, in my experience, that could explain a month long delay, especially if the recipient is making inquiries on its end. That leads me to believe that either OKPay is playing games or they really couldn't care less about their customers.
Now they said they didn't get the funds.....
They finally admit they received the funds, and claims that funds will be available within 24 hrs. This is the 3rd time they said this.
And of course, 24hrs went by, and still no money
And of course, 24hrs went by, and still no money
I wired $500 to OKpay to put into an exchange. The total cost was $75.
It costed a flat fee of $50 from the bank. OKpay charged a fee and reduced $500 to $485. Transferred $485 into btce, that amount is reduced roughly to $475.
So starting at $550 ($500 + $50 fee), ended up with $475. Three ways to look at the cost, choose the number that makes you feel sad the least: a $75 fee, or a loss of 8.64% of the starting amount, or 15.8% cost to deposit $475.
Why are you tagged as a scammer?
That high % of fees is if you are wiring a small amount, and $500 is a small amount.It costed a flat fee of $50 from the bank. OKpay charged a fee and reduced $500 to $485. Transferred $485 into btce, that amount is reduced roughly to $475.
So starting at $550 ($500 + $50 fee), ended up with $475. Three ways to look at the cost, choose the number that makes you feel sad the least: a $75 fee, or a loss of 8.64% of the starting amount, or 15.8% cost to deposit $475.
Why are you tagged as a scammer?
Most of those fees are flat rate. I wired $5000, and paid $45 for the transfer on top of that.
The receiving bank should have gotten $5000, but OKPAY claims that they only received $4780. There is no way the fee at the receiving end is $220. And if it is, they should KNOW how much their bank charges. OKPAY is unwilling to tell me how much is the fee on their bank. They cite is can be due to banks in between that charged the fees. According to my bank, there is no 3rd or 4th bank involved. The funds went straight to the receiving bank.
Got a message from OKPAY support, and again, they simply say to upload my transfer confirmation, which I did upload on the first support post, and since then have uploaded it again.
That does seem a bit high but generally speaking correspondent banks do charge arbitrary amounts and neither the receiving bank or the sending bank has any say or knowledge of that.
SWIFT is for really large amounts such as those sent between importers and exporters.
... and this is why I moved to only do local bank transfers (totally free here).
Banks are a pain for these fees and it really eats into your profits.
Banks are a pain for these fees and it really eats into your profits.
okpay has probably the lowest commissions
And if you think you pay too much for the operation, as far as I know, about fees you should contact directly to the bank, which services you use.
They also gave me some advice: if the withdrawal amount does not exceed $ 1,000 it is more cost effective to withdraw money from OKPAY via money transfer systems, and if the amount is much higher, more cost effective is to use bank transfer.
And if you think you pay too much for the operation, as far as I know, about fees you should contact directly to the bank, which services you use.
They also gave me some advice: if the withdrawal amount does not exceed $ 1,000 it is more cost effective to withdraw money from OKPAY via money transfer systems, and if the amount is much higher, more cost effective is to use bank transfer.
I wired $500 to OKpay to put into an exchange. The total cost was $75.
It costed a flat fee of $50 from the bank. OKpay charged a fee and reduced $500 to $485. Transferred $485 into btce, that amount is reduced roughly to $475.
So starting at $550 ($500 + $50 fee), ended up with $475. Three ways to look at the cost, choose the number that makes you feel sad the least: a $75 fee, or a loss of 8.64% of the starting amount, or 15.8% cost to deposit $475.
Why are you tagged as a scammer?
That high % of fees is if you are wiring a small amount, and $500 is a small amount.It costed a flat fee of $50 from the bank. OKpay charged a fee and reduced $500 to $485. Transferred $485 into btce, that amount is reduced roughly to $475.
So starting at $550 ($500 + $50 fee), ended up with $475. Three ways to look at the cost, choose the number that makes you feel sad the least: a $75 fee, or a loss of 8.64% of the starting amount, or 15.8% cost to deposit $475.
Why are you tagged as a scammer?
Most of those fees are flat rate. I wired $5000, and paid $45 for the transfer on top of that.
The receiving bank should have gotten $5000, but OKPAY claims that they only received $4780. There is no way the fee at the receiving end is $220. And if it is, they should KNOW how much their bank charges. OKPAY is unwilling to tell me how much is the fee on their bank. They cite is can be due to banks in between that charged the fees. According to my bank, there is no 3rd or 4th bank involved. The funds went straight to the receiving bank.
Got a message from OKPAY support, and again, they simply say to upload my transfer confirmation, which I did upload on the first support post, and since then have uploaded it again.
As of now, still no explanation of 9% fee.
Here is my explanation: Why SWIFT bank transfers sucks and correspondent bank fees are legal theft.
OKpay charged a fee and reduced $500 to $485.
OKPAY don't take fee for depositing funds with wire transfer. But their bank take fees. In this case the fee is $12. Also there is a correspondent bank fee (in this case the fee is only $3).
I wired $500 to OKpay to put into an exchange. The total cost was $75.
It costed a flat fee of $50 from the bank. OKpay charged a fee and reduced $500 to $485. Transferred $485 into btce, that amount is reduced roughly to $475.
So starting at $550 ($500 + $50 fee), ended up with $475. Three ways to look at the cost, choose the number that makes you feel sad the least: a $75 fee, or a loss of 8.64% of the starting amount, or 15.8% cost to deposit $475.
Why are you tagged as a scammer?
It costed a flat fee of $50 from the bank. OKpay charged a fee and reduced $500 to $485. Transferred $485 into btce, that amount is reduced roughly to $475.
So starting at $550 ($500 + $50 fee), ended up with $475. Three ways to look at the cost, choose the number that makes you feel sad the least: a $75 fee, or a loss of 8.64% of the starting amount, or 15.8% cost to deposit $475.
Why are you tagged as a scammer?
As of now, still no explanantion of 9% fee.
So, for those wiring from USA, just know that you will be hit with a 9% fee instead of their stated 2% or $20 max fee.
So, for those wiring from USA, just know that you will be hit with a 9% fee instead of their stated 2% or $20 max fee.
Okpay finally replied to the 9% fee question.
Here is what they said
Note that I paid for the $45 transfer fee from my end, so the only other fee is OKPAY's bank receiving fee.
They are saying they don't know what's the fee for them to receive funds. And if I were to request a SWIFT confirmation, they want to charge me more money for it.
In sum, they can say their bank charges them $5000 to receive a $5000 transfer, and get away with it, b/c according to them, the fees varies, and if you want a report, you would have to pay again.
Let's say the report fee is $100, so I transfer $200. They come back and say that $200 transfer have a $200 fee, and thus, not enough funds are left for the report.
This is total scam, at least for wire transfers from USA
Here is what they said
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There are no hidden charges, however we would like to warn you that correspondent bank charges can be applied and vary and (deducted from the sent amount).
Please do not ask us to give you the exact fee for the transfer you will send as it all depends on the country and the way banking system works is that in many cases you can not calculate the amount with 100% guarantees.
If you would like to get the detailed report on the fees and transfer times associated with your recent wire withdrawal feel free to request a SWIFT confirmation (subject to fees).
Please do not ask us to give you the exact fee for the transfer you will send as it all depends on the country and the way banking system works is that in many cases you can not calculate the amount with 100% guarantees.
If you would like to get the detailed report on the fees and transfer times associated with your recent wire withdrawal feel free to request a SWIFT confirmation (subject to fees).
Note that I paid for the $45 transfer fee from my end, so the only other fee is OKPAY's bank receiving fee.
They are saying they don't know what's the fee for them to receive funds. And if I were to request a SWIFT confirmation, they want to charge me more money for it.
In sum, they can say their bank charges them $5000 to receive a $5000 transfer, and get away with it, b/c according to them, the fees varies, and if you want a report, you would have to pay again.
Let's say the report fee is $100, so I transfer $200. They come back and say that $200 transfer have a $200 fee, and thus, not enough funds are left for the report.
This is total scam, at least for wire transfers from USA
Okpay replied to my ticket. But they never told me why the fee is 9%. That question is ignored even though I posted it several times on the support ticket. Funds still "frozen".
Dude,
What did you get the scammer tag for??
What did you get the scammer tag for??
For not paying what he owes to someone, maybe?
What country are you all in?
Also, is everyone withdrawing or trying to deposit?
Also, is everyone withdrawing or trying to deposit?
Deposit from Germany. Sofort banking
What country are you all in?
Also, is everyone withdrawing or trying to deposit?
Also, is everyone withdrawing or trying to deposit?
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