Inaba always tries to answer correctly and constructive words in this and other forums.
The BFL is not a "ghost or virtual company"!!!!!! Till now what they have announced was always true.
1) They made FPGA -> lot of you say that's a SCAM - It wasn't
2) They are going to build our future with ASIC -> again lot of you still say IT'S A SCAM! It's not!
I will only write this: Think 1000 times before You write nonsense words.
Topic: BFL, Box of fans and Avalon trolling: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Ships - page 2. (Read 6541 times)
January 29, 2013, 07:33:41 AM
January 29, 2013, 06:13:32 AM
I missed out on all this because I didn't troll hard enough?
Damn you, gmaxwell, damn you.
Damn you, gmaxwell, damn you.
January 29, 2013, 06:12:39 AM
Inaba, how much to pay you to take your trolling circus to the next town? BFL can't be paying you that much just for this "expertise", and you don't have much else to offer a company like that, so start talking offers. Seriously, I can help you out here.
January 29, 2013, 03:20:35 AM
So far...I've seen a metal box with fans & a powersupply,BFL did that too 
A contract,hmmm ok & not much else..............
No tracking # for shipped devices...WTF??? Really??? Had I had an order with Avalon & they said "they're shipping!!!! woohoo!!!!" & I never got a tracking # or email about MY unit shipping.......
I'd be one PISSED off mofo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a good thing they are in China,its way too far for most anyone to drive there to give them a "piece of thier mind"
BFL on the other hand,$100 in gas & 14 hrs,I'm at thier door (I don't own or handle guns,so no worries there,folks 
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The double standard for Avalon's BFL type behaviour is very amusing
I really wish you Avalon customers the best of luck though,here's hoping they've really shipped a product
A contract,hmmm ok & not much else..............No tracking # for shipped devices...WTF??? Really??? Had I had an order with Avalon & they said "they're shipping!!!! woohoo!!!!" & I never got a tracking # or email about MY unit shipping.......
I'd be one PISSED off mofo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a good thing they are in China,its way too far for most anyone to drive there to give them a "piece of thier mind"
BFL on the other hand,$100 in gas & 14 hrs,I'm at thier door
(I don't own or handle guns,so no worries there,folks )The double standard for Avalon's BFL type behaviour is very amusing
I really wish you Avalon customers the best of luck though,here's hoping they've really shipped a product
January 29, 2013, 03:12:40 AM
You two have any idea how pathetic this is? Hard to believe you are grown up men.
January 29, 2013, 03:03:56 AM
A) Designed an exceptionally inferior product
B) Purchased said product
C) No one has received said product
D) No one has received a tracking number
E) No one has received the product for review, even a test unit
Basically, you have paid for the same service you are bitching about BFL for, but you've paid for an inferior product. Yeah, and I'm emotionally invested.
Actually you are describing BFL.B) Purchased said product
C) No one has received said product
D) No one has received a tracking number
E) No one has received the product for review, even a test unit
Basically, you have paid for the same service you are bitching about BFL for, but you've paid for an inferior product. Yeah, and I'm emotionally invested.
No, that doesn't really fit well at all.
A) BFL wins on power usage (and therefore longterm profitability) hands down.
Can we possibly wait till BFL actually *HAS* a power spec to determine this? Must we cover the company's history of erroneous power claims again? To summarize...it sucks.
January 29, 2013, 02:41:41 AM
No place for a wife or friends in a rubber room.
Just plenty of time and internet access it seems.
Just plenty of time and internet access it seems.
January 29, 2013, 02:32:45 AM
@PuertoLibre.....do you have a wife? Girlfriend? Or any friends...or a life? Just curious cause your always here trolling/talking shit.
January 29, 2013, 02:19:41 AM
A) Designed an exceptionally inferior product
B) Purchased said product
C) No one has received said product
D) No one has received a tracking number
E) No one has received the product for review, even a test unit
Basically, you have paid for the same service you are bitching about BFL for, but you've paid for an inferior product. Yeah, and I'm emotionally invested.
Actually you are describing BFL.B) Purchased said product
C) No one has received said product
D) No one has received a tracking number
E) No one has received the product for review, even a test unit
Basically, you have paid for the same service you are bitching about BFL for, but you've paid for an inferior product. Yeah, and I'm emotionally invested.
No, that doesn't really fit well at all.
A) BFL wins on power usage (and therefore longterm profitability) hands down.
B) Only this fits
C, D and E) The difference here is that Avalon claims to have shipped, but somehow has no tracking numbers. They also could have delivered to local customers already...but have not. BFL is claiming to have not shipped.
January 29, 2013, 02:01:18 AM
Looking back and tracing this wierd tangent, it came from Inaba.
Look third party people took photos of our boxes of fans. See! We are totally ahead of Avalon in credibility!
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I wasn't aware that the metal and boxes of fans being photographed by third party would somehow boost a companies credibility. I thought that wasn't even in question that the cases and fans existed.
The tangent is illogical to me as it seems like a stupid point to bring up. But then again, it is Inaba at it again.
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If a photograph is snapped of an Avalon outside the lab does it make it more "real"? No, unless you are calling into question whether the metal box of fans is photo-shopped or something.
What does add credibility is whether the device is turned on and benchmarked independently and called a "functional product" that works "as expected".
Sure BFL has had lots of photos. I didn't much care where the photos originated from. As the issue was the lack of functional ASICs.
I thought that was the logical point of discussion as to whom is further than BFL in that race.
Suddenly Inaba jump out in a tangent saying (paraphrased) "Oh! But our cases have been photographed by third parties! Not all our photos are from us."
Uh, alright, and I would care who took the photograph of a box of fans.....because?
(Doesn't that point seem strangely illogical to bring up or was that a ball of smoke?
Look third party people took photos of our boxes of fans. See! We are totally ahead of Avalon in credibility!
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I wasn't aware that the metal and boxes of fans being photographed by third party would somehow boost a companies credibility. I thought that wasn't even in question that the cases and fans existed.
The tangent is illogical to me as it seems like a stupid point to bring up. But then again, it is Inaba at it again.
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If a photograph is snapped of an Avalon outside the lab does it make it more "real"? No, unless you are calling into question whether the metal box of fans is photo-shopped or something.
What does add credibility is whether the device is turned on and benchmarked independently and called a "functional product" that works "as expected".
Sure BFL has had lots of photos. I didn't much care where the photos originated from. As the issue was the lack of functional ASICs.
I thought that was the logical point of discussion as to whom is further than BFL in that race.
Suddenly Inaba jump out in a tangent saying (paraphrased) "Oh! But our cases have been photographed by third parties! Not all our photos are from us."
Uh, alright, and I would care who took the photograph of a box of fans.....because?
(Doesn't that point seem strangely illogical to bring up or was that a ball of smoke?
January 29, 2013, 02:01:04 AM
Yours at least has a phone inside, and theirs is empty 
Why do people think the Nexus 7 is a phone?
January 29, 2013, 01:40:28 AM
Here are a few pictures and a video supplied by me - just an attendee of CES and in no way affiliated with BFL - of the "boxes with fans" we're all so fond of. I'm not even going to try to argue any of the other points, just to point out that the idea that the only time anyone has seen cases, boards, heatsinks etc - the stuff that BFL has released shots of so far - are in BFL-released pictures is patently ridiculous. Julian (TuxAvant) even talked BFL into letting him keep the empty cases for the Jalapeno and Single SC so if you happen to be near Vegas you can come physically lay hands on them if you'd like.
What is you actual point?That people were exposed to the [incomplete] products at CES? (that is kinda obvious)
Why is that enlightening exactly?
More to the point, why should anyone care? BFL has people photograph it at CES. Alright...yippee?
What does that prove exactly? There are no ASICs inside so they took a chunk of metal and PCB home with them. That is nice I guess....?
Tell me if I missed the important point somewhere?
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I am not denying (unlike other retards) that BFL has hardware. It just isn't a functional ASIC up to this date. End of Story.
Why I should be impressed that the FIRST pictures not released by BFL came out of CES 2013 is a mystery to me. What exactly does that prove??
Or did I miss the shock and awe of the point being made Josh?
January 29, 2013, 01:27:33 AM
Look I whited out the useless crap...because you can argue points of fact. But how do you argue with endless insults?
You can't, therefore it is boring. There is nothing of substance to chew on in an insult filled post.
Oh, so the picture you are so fond of trotting out with me in the back ground at CES was supplied by BFL? Good to know. Idiot.
Your point being? Has Avalon shown working chips? What's that? They haven't? Guess you're full of shit.
That's fine, you're good at rejecting facts. God forbid reality get in the way of your delusions.
Love your waffling. "UNTIL!" OMG!! Yes, until indeed. So far, nothing, nada... not even a tracking number, which you think someone would have after spending $400 to ship 1 unit.
What's even funnier is by the time all the Avalon first batch customers receive their units, it looks like BFL's units will already be in our customers hands. Yeah, Avalon's fake "shipping" on the 21st is working out well. A week later and nothing has shown up anywhere, not even a tracking number.
Yes, you do seem emotionally invested in it. You are defending a company that has:
A) Designed an exceptionally inferior product
B) Purchased said product
C) No one has received said product
D) No one has received a tracking number
E) No one has received the product for review, even a test unit
Basically, you have paid for the same service you are bitching about BFL for, but you've paid for an inferior product. Yeah, and I'm emotionally invested. Actually you are describing BFL.
Oh, I wait with bated breath to learn why it's so big. Oh wait, we already know... they use 110nm process and require a ton of chips and power, and all the associated cooling that goes with it. There's likely more than one board in that chassis. What is your point you are trying to make (besides the one on the top of your head) with regards to 4U? Are you seriously trying to deny the fact that the Avalon unit is 4U high? Seriously? Look at the PSU... a PSU on it's side is, wait for it... almost 4U high. Add in the height of the top and bottom panels and you have, you guessed it, a 4U high monstrosity. Duh. Idiot. He didn't seemingly understand what my comment meant.
Not really much to say in light of his (pretty obvious) misunderstanding.
I also can;t clue him in on anything so that part of the argument needs to be kept quiet until reviews leak out. He is a bit slow on the uptake.
Nothing would happen. You would be forgotten, because you provide zero value to this world, much less Bitcointalk. Your sole existence appears is focused around responding to messages on Bitcointalk, for which you do not get paid and have no vested interest in. You have an unnatural, unhealthy fixation on me and the company I work for. You can't resist responding to the majority of the posts I make and you continually manufacture false information and lies to somehow figure a way to insert yourself into the conversation. It makes no matter that your lies are transparent, easily disproved or otherwise blatantly and obviously false. You don't care, you just want the attention and to feel special for being part of the conversation. Like I said in the past, I get paid to be here.. it's my job, what is your excuse?
I wonder what would happen indeed?
You keep saying this. I don't think you understand what anger is. Take a moment of self reflection and you might understand it better... or maybe that's just self loathing you feel. Either way, it makes no matter. You're here, flinging about bullshit and lies. I'm here, destroying your bullshit repeatedly. I get paid to do it, you are doing it because you are too stupid to realize nearly everything you write is ridiculous.
I suppose he thinks he is calm and collected?
Or perhaps he is just using page turning techniques?
You can't, therefore it is boring. There is nothing of substance to chew on in an insult filled post.
Baloney. All pictures even those used by Bitcoin magazine were provided by BFL.
Oh, so the picture you are so fond of trotting out with me in the back ground at CES was supplied by BFL? Good to know. Idiot.
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You showed blown chips. Chips that didn't work as intended.
You seem to miss the obvious points.
You seem to miss the obvious points.
Your point being? Has Avalon shown working chips? What's that? They haven't? Guess you're full of shit.
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That is your artistic interpretation. I reject your interpretation.
That's fine, you're good at rejecting facts. God forbid reality get in the way of your delusions.
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Until:
---Jeff receives his unit. Then reviews it
---Avalon miners receive theirs.
---Avalon customers post copious photos and videos online. Much to BFL's detriment.
At that point you just "magically" turn into an irate Rep with a bad attitude and load of chips and a history of ASICs that never quite worked right over something....like 120 days..
I feel sorry for you.
---Jeff receives his unit. Then reviews it
---Avalon miners receive theirs.
---Avalon customers post copious photos and videos online. Much to BFL's detriment.
At that point you just "magically" turn into an irate Rep with a bad attitude and load of chips and a history of ASICs that never quite worked right over something....like 120 days..
I feel sorry for you.
Love your waffling. "UNTIL!" OMG!! Yes, until indeed. So far, nothing, nada... not even a tracking number, which you think someone would have after spending $400 to ship 1 unit.
What's even funnier is by the time all the Avalon first batch customers receive their units, it looks like BFL's units will already be in our customers hands. Yeah, Avalon's fake "shipping" on the 21st is working out well. A week later and nothing has shown up anywhere, not even a tracking number.
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You seem to be emotionally invested in this argument.
I know that was a sensitive spot in your armor and reputation.
I know that was a sensitive spot in your armor and reputation.
Yes, you do seem emotionally invested in it. You are defending a company that has:
A) Designed an exceptionally inferior product
B) Purchased said product
C) No one has received said product
D) No one has received a tracking number
E) No one has received the product for review, even a test unit
Basically, you have paid for the same service you are bitching about BFL for, but you've paid for an inferior product. Yeah, and I'm emotionally invested.
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I believe the joke may be on you when you realize why it is so big.
By the way, 4U refers to height in a Server Rack.
By the way, 4U refers to height in a Server Rack.
Oh, I wait with bated breath to learn why it's so big. Oh wait, we already know... they use 110nm process and require a ton of chips and power, and all the associated cooling that goes with it. There's likely more than one board in that chassis. What is your point you are trying to make (besides the one on the top of your head) with regards to 4U? Are you seriously trying to deny the fact that the Avalon unit is 4U high? Seriously? Look at the PSU... a PSU on it's side is, wait for it... almost 4U high. Add in the height of the top and bottom panels and you have, you guessed it, a 4U high monstrosity. Duh. Idiot.
Not really much to say in light of his (pretty obvious) misunderstanding.
I also can;t clue him in on anything so that part of the argument needs to be kept quiet until reviews leak out. He is a bit slow on the uptake.
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That is why you take moment of your life to answer my messages.
What if you just didn't...I wonder what would happen?
What if you just didn't...I wonder what would happen?
Nothing would happen. You would be forgotten, because you provide zero value to this world, much less Bitcointalk. Your sole existence appears is focused around responding to messages on Bitcointalk, for which you do not get paid and have no vested interest in. You have an unnatural, unhealthy fixation on me and the company I work for. You can't resist responding to the majority of the posts I make and you continually manufacture false information and lies to somehow figure a way to insert yourself into the conversation. It makes no matter that your lies are transparent, easily disproved or otherwise blatantly and obviously false. You don't care, you just want the attention and to feel special for being part of the conversation. Like I said in the past, I get paid to be here.. it's my job, what is your excuse?
I wonder what would happen indeed?
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It is a bit of a surprise, my angry friend.
You keep saying this. I don't think you understand what anger is. Take a moment of self reflection and you might understand it better... or maybe that's just self loathing you feel. Either way, it makes no matter. You're here, flinging about bullshit and lies. I'm here, destroying your bullshit repeatedly. I get paid to do it, you are doing it because you are too stupid to realize nearly everything you write is ridiculous.
Or perhaps he is just using page turning techniques?
January 29, 2013, 01:22:24 AM
Here are a few pictures and a video supplied by me - just an attendee of CES and in no way affiliated with BFL - of the "boxes with fans" we're all so fond of. I'm not even going to try to argue any of the other points, just to point out that the idea that the only time anyone has seen cases, boards, heatsinks etc - the stuff that BFL has released shots of so far - are in BFL-released pictures is patently ridiculous. Julian (TuxAvant) even talked BFL into letting him keep the empty cases for the Jalapeno and Single SC so if you happen to be near Vegas you can come physically lay hands on them if you'd like.
January 29, 2013, 01:16:57 AM
Take a look: (I whited it out when it was useless crap)
Let me do the post before that next.
This is a troll thread (so I'm livin' it up) and there's nothing to win.. you post bullshit constantly. You have a pathological inability to post facts without inserting your false information. Stop posting bullshit and we won't have anything to talk about. Unfortunately, I doubt you can resist posting lies and crap.
Did I touch a nerve, poor little guy? You must live such a sad life, I'd say I feel pit for you, but I don't. You're nothing but trash and your fate in life is of your own making.
I find it curious that you keep wanting so desperately for me to be "angry." Is it because you are angry and you can't bear the thought of me not also being angry? Do you bang out reply after reply, trying so desperately to be a part of something? Is that why you're angry and want to project that on to everyone else? I mean, look at you. Posting the same pictures over and over in a desperate attempt to legitimize your laughingly penned missives towards me. Too bad no one is buying it and you continue your sad little existence, trying in vain to be someone.
See nothing of substance.Did I touch a nerve, poor little guy? You must live such a sad life, I'd say I feel pit for you, but I don't. You're nothing but trash and your fate in life is of your own making.
I find it curious that you keep wanting so desperately for me to be "angry." Is it because you are angry and you can't bear the thought of me not also being angry? Do you bang out reply after reply, trying so desperately to be a part of something? Is that why you're angry and want to project that on to everyone else? I mean, look at you. Posting the same pictures over and over in a desperate attempt to legitimize your laughingly penned missives towards me. Too bad no one is buying it and you continue your sad little existence, trying in vain to be someone.
Let me do the post before that next.
January 29, 2013, 01:10:43 AM
When you start to realize that someone must really believe their own bullshit or is desperate enough to cover for what they know is their own bullshit...thats kinda sad.
Here I am wasting my time posting pictures to support all these petty arguments...and all he retorts with is utter baseless crap.
If I actually took time to delete all the crap out of his post, you would notice how little substance he actually responds with. What "fun" or sustained interest can one have in that? He doesn't even try anymore.
He used to try...but now he just seemingly always goes down the road of calling people name in the hopes that it'll somehow be true. I am wasting my time.
If there was something of entertainment value then I would justify the effort...but even I am not feeling justified anymore. Inaba is damn boring now. It is like beating a dead horse.
January 29, 2013, 01:09:55 AM
This is a troll thread (so I'm livin' it up) and there's nothing to win.. you post bullshit constantly. You have a pathological inability to post facts without inserting your false information. Stop posting bullshit and we won't have anything to talk about. Unfortunately, I doubt you can resist posting lies and crap.
Did I touch a nerve, poor little guy? You must live such a sad life, I'd say I feel pit for you, but I don't. You're nothing but trash and your fate in life is of your own making.
I find it curious that you keep wanting so desperately for me to be "angry." Is it because you are angry and you can't bear the thought of me not also being angry? Do you bang out reply after reply, trying so desperately to be a part of something? Is that why you're angry and want to project that on to everyone else? I mean, look at you. Posting the same pictures over and over in a desperate attempt to legitimize your laughingly penned missives towards me. Too bad no one is buying it and you continue your sad little existence, trying in vain to be someone.
Did I touch a nerve, poor little guy? You must live such a sad life, I'd say I feel pit for you, but I don't. You're nothing but trash and your fate in life is of your own making.
I find it curious that you keep wanting so desperately for me to be "angry." Is it because you are angry and you can't bear the thought of me not also being angry? Do you bang out reply after reply, trying so desperately to be a part of something? Is that why you're angry and want to project that on to everyone else? I mean, look at you. Posting the same pictures over and over in a desperate attempt to legitimize your laughingly penned missives towards me. Too bad no one is buying it and you continue your sad little existence, trying in vain to be someone.
January 29, 2013, 01:06:00 AM
January 29, 2013, 12:58:10 AM
Josh are you an elementary school kid?
Seriously, you aren't even trying to "win" this argument. I feel incredible pity.
Seriously, you aren't even trying to "win" this argument. I feel incredible pity.
January 29, 2013, 12:56:14 AM
*sighs*
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