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Topic: BFL could be fined $16,000 for each product the fail to ship - page 2. (Read 2653 times)

mrb
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From the FTC website:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

This is a VERY interesting read!!

Some of the key points:

1) after ordering, BFL had 30 days to deliver our product. If they were not able to ship in that time frame, they were to notify all customers and ask if they wanted to maintain their order.

On that point, they did notify customers. A few months ago they sent mail to all customers and asked to log in butterflylabs.com to submit an answer as to whether they wanted to maintain the order or not.


A few months ago does not equal 30 days after preorders were not fulfilled.

Read the legalese. It does not say 30 days. It says 30 days or the time [the vendor] stated.

I guess one could argue that after sending the second and subsequent notices of delay, BFL interpreted customers' silence as automatic consent, when they should have automatically refunded. But any customer suing BFL for that would not be acting in good faith. Those who initiated refund requests on their own were refunded, no questions asked, and all those who stayed silent really wanted to remain in line.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
From the FTC website:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

This is a VERY interesting read!!

Some of the key points:

1) after ordering, BFL had 30 days to deliver our product. If they were not able to ship in that time frame, they were to notify all customers and ask if they wanted to maintain their order.

On that point, they did notify customers. A few months ago they sent mail to all customers and asked to log in butterflylabs.com to submit an answer as to whether they wanted to maintain the order or not.


A few months ago does not equal 30 days after preorders were not fulfilled.
mrb
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1028
From the FTC website:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

This is a VERY interesting read!!

Some of the key points:

1) after ordering, BFL had 30 days to deliver our product. If they were not able to ship in that time frame, they were to notify all customers and ask if they wanted to maintain their order.

On that point, they did notify customers. A few months ago they sent mail to all customers and asked to log in butterflylabs.com to submit an answer as to whether they wanted to maintain the order or not.
legendary
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With the cutbacks in the federal budget, I'm sure the FTC wouldn't mind an exact $16,000 X 10,000 (conservatively speaking) = $160,000,000 in their coffer. If by a slim chance BFL doesn't have the full amount, the FTC could easily just take all they currently have with the rest owed.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
From the FTC website:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

This is a VERY interesting read!!

Some of the key points:

1) after ordering, BFL had 30 days to deliver our product. If they were not able to ship in that time frame, they were to notify all customers and ask if they wanted to maintain their order. By 60 days of not shipping, they were to contact ALL customers and offer to refund their money, if they were not able to contact the customer, then they were required to refund the money.

2) They are also required to refund the money if the customer requests a refund if their product has not shipped. Note this is completely different than BFL’s policy of not refunding because “we are shipping product”.

3) It is also VERY interesting that BFL is exposing themselves to fines of $16,000 per occurrence of breaking the rules. Since they are breaking the rules for EACH and EVERY customer, this alone could be enough to break this company if people start complaining to the FTC.

Quoted from http://tarspublishing.com/butterflyrefund/
Dude, I count at least 3 threads you missed posting in!

Dude, don't hold back, what were they?
hero member
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From the FTC website:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

This is a VERY interesting read!!

Some of the key points:

1) after ordering, BFL had 30 days to deliver our product. If they were not able to ship in that time frame, they were to notify all customers and ask if they wanted to maintain their order. By 60 days of not shipping, they were to contact ALL customers and offer to refund their money, if they were not able to contact the customer, then they were required to refund the money.

2) They are also required to refund the money if the customer requests a refund if their product has not shipped. Note this is completely different than BFL’s policy of not refunding because “we are shipping product”.

3) It is also VERY interesting that BFL is exposing themselves to fines of $16,000 per occurrence of breaking the rules. Since they are breaking the rules for EACH and EVERY customer, this alone could be enough to break this company if people start complaining to the FTC.

Quoted from http://tarspublishing.com/butterflyrefund/
Dude, I count at least 3 threads you missed posting in!
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
They couldn't even refund 50% of the customers, nevermind pay fines. Why do you think they cancelled refunds after I suggested a refund tsunami?
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
From the FTC website:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

This is a VERY interesting read!!

Some of the key points:

1) after ordering, BFL had 30 days to deliver our product. If they were not able to ship in that time frame, they were to notify all customers and ask if they wanted to maintain their order. By 60 days of not shipping, they were to contact ALL customers and offer to refund their money, if they were not able to contact the customer, then they were required to refund the money.

2) They are also required to refund the money if the customer requests a refund if their product has not shipped. Note this is completely different than BFL’s policy of not refunding because “we are shipping product”.

3) It is also VERY interesting that BFL is exposing themselves to fines of $16,000 per occurrence of breaking the rules. Since they are breaking the rules for EACH and EVERY customer, this alone could be enough to break this company if people start complaining to the FTC.

Quoted from http://tarspublishing.com/butterflyrefund/
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