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Topic: BFL preorder customers are investors in BFL - page 2. (Read 3887 times)

legendary
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Think for yourself
And...?

Honestly, this has been done to death and the BFL faithful simply don't care.

Or simply have no choice.  The market isn't exactly flooded with real options at the moment.  All ASIC vendors are a gamble at this point.
Sam
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And...?

Honestly, this has been done to death and the BFL faithful simply don't care.  If anyone's actually bothered to complain to consumer protection agencies about this, then those complaints have obviously gone nowhere as BFL has never stopped taking pre-orders.  

Now it would be nice if BFL made clear their current refund policy as there've been a couple of posts lately claiming that people have received a snarky response from Jody when requesting refunds and it would certainly be worrying if they're going to institute a "no cancellations" policy once they give the go ahead for the bulk chip order, but those who've been hanging in since June/July seem disinclined to cancel their orders and its those people who would likely have the strongest case should BFL adopt a "no more refunds" stance.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
The longer it takes, the more accurate is this transformation from customer to "investor". And after 9 month, that metamorphosis into a beautiful butterfly(labs investor) is almost complete. Or not.

I guess this gives new meaning to the name Caterpillar Labs.
full member
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The longer it takes, the more accurate is this transformation from customer to "investor". And after 9 month, that metamorphosis into a beautiful butterfly(labs investor) is almost complete. Or not.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
BFL has misled and conned pre order "customers" into thinking they are in fact customers. They are INVESTORS.

The quote below shows BFL to be full of constant BS. Wake up people.


I do have one question... What is exactly the point you are trying to make?

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Thanks for asking.  I have a few simple points.

About BFL
1.  You are pre-announcing this product before delivering your previously pre-announced product
2.  This is your second claim of delivering a product with ASIC hashing.  Your first was debunked as an FPGA as soon as product shipped.
3.  You seem to be using customer funds for purchases of product for development and general expenses.  If I am wrong about that please post a notarized statement from your escrow agent and I will apologize.

About business in general
1.  Paying in advance for development is an investment.  It is generally compensated with intellectual property, equity or loan interest.
2. Honest, viable businesses become insolvent all the time for lack of cashflow.  It is the reason for the Chapter 11 bankruptcy procedures.
3. Payments in advance for products become unsecured debts in a bankruptcy proceeding.  Unsecured debtors are among the lowest priority for recovery in these procedures and generally get nothing.  Even if the material is sitting in the shipping bay with a label on it, it isn't yours under bankruptcy.
4.  For reason #3 above it is unethical, and a violation of consumer protection laws in many places to sell product in advance of availability.  For the same reason, Visa and Mastercard require shipment before a sale can be charged.
5. Companies at risk of insolvency often make very generous guarantee offers.  A guarantee has no revenue cost in the present, and has no value in bankruptcy either.

I can't see ever being a customer of yours given your business practices.  And your question has given me the opportunity to  nicely summarize why people should use caution.  So I will leave your thread to your fans and investors.
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