BFL still hasn't shipped a single single?

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Quote from: SgtSpike on May 31, 2013, 03:31:47 PM

Quote from: solitude on May 31, 2013, 03:27:15 PM

Josh's bullshit Post of the Day on May 24th was "As for the Singles, hopefully next week... we should have some boards coming in on Tuesday I think."

Another week gone by and still no singles shipped.

IIRC they started "shipping" jalapenos at the start of May. May is now gone by and they've shipped how many jale's? 100 tops?

There is obviously zero bitcoin enthusiasts with a background in Law because BFL should have been taken to court months ago.

If BFL is taken to court, then no one gets their miners. If they are not, then people get their miners, they just get them late.

Given that a 60GH/s single is still slated to make $10k/month, I'm sure most first-day orderers would much rather take the non-litigation route and have a money machine pumping out as much in one day as they'd be likely to see in reward from any lawsuit.

I'm glad to see someone shares my views. All of the talk of lawsuits, complaints to the FTC, etc is counterproductive for BFL customers. I still value a June minirig preorder at $100k+, so what is the point of taking legal action and probably just getting a refund of $30k. I can't see any case where customers receive "damages" based on lost mining revenue starting from some arbitrary date in the past.

It is too early for lawsuits against BFL, I'm still giving them a chance to deliver.

Quote from: ElectricMucus on June 02, 2013, 02:36:17 AM

I'd be very pissed if I would have ordered a single right now considering that all those jalas gonna take away my profits.

In the end the cumulative earning of a the average jala could exceed the average single...

Yep, so much for the 1/3 1/3 1/3 plan. It isn't worth getting too mad about though, early jalapenos are a drop in the bucket compared to the network hashrate. If they ship a bunch of singles before the minirigs though, it will be more of an issue.

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I'd be very pissed if I would have ordered a single right now considering that all those jalas gonna take away my profits.

In the end the cumulative earning of a the average jala could exceed the average single...

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Quote from: KGambler on May 31, 2013, 06:26:19 PM

Sgt Spike believes BFL is legit, but he's always been very reasonable and is definitely not a shill. As for monkeywrench, he's a transparent shill and clearly has some kind of relationship with BFL. I put him on ignore a week ago.

*Yawn* more bullshit from an imbecile, based entirely in fantasy. Cheesy

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We are discussing something similar here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/miners-consumer-protections-ucc-and-pre-orders-217036

I try to give some fact patterns in plain English in my posts throughout.

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Quote from: KGambler on May 31, 2013, 06:26:19 PM

Sgt Spike believes BFL is legit, but he's always been very reasonable and is definitely not a shill. As for monkeywrench, he's a transparent shill and clearly has some kind of relationship with BFL. I put him on ignore a week ago.

Sgt Spike, BFL may go out of business even if a lawsuit never materializes. If they don't start shipping in bulk relatively soon, they will go under. When that happens, no refunds for anyone, and no money printing machine either... Every day that goes by there are more ASICs in the wild, more being produced and more being developed. The clock is ticking for BFL, scam or no scam.

I agree with you, I just think they are finally about ready to ship, given that they've been able to show a working 50GH/s unit. It's just a matter of waiting on the parts to arrive now.

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Quote from: Littleshop on May 31, 2013, 06:29:40 PM

BFL is now shipping Jally's and we are seeing many in the wild. The shipping rate does seem to be increasing.

Could you tell us more about this? How many are we talking? How many do you suppose have already been shipped and how many of those have been shipped this week?

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Quote from: wrenchmonkey on May 31, 2013, 04:49:54 PM

Quote from: SgtSpike on May 31, 2013, 03:31:47 PM

Quote from: solitude on May 31, 2013, 03:27:15 PM

Josh's bullshit Post of the Day on May 24th was "As for the Singles, hopefully next week... we should have some boards coming in on Tuesday I think."

Another week gone by and still no singles shipped.

IIRC they started "shipping" jalapenos at the start of May. May is now gone by and they've shipped how many jale's? 100 tops?

There is obviously zero bitcoin enthusiasts with a background in Law because BFL should have been taken to court months ago.

If BFL is taken to court, then no one gets their miners. If they are not, then people get their miners, they just get them late.

Given that a 60GH/s single is still slated to make $10k/month, I'm sure most first-day orderers would much rather take the non-litigation route and have a money machine pumping out as much in one day as they'd be likely to see in reward from any lawsuit.

I strongly believe this is the goal of most of the BFL trolls on this forum. They want to stir the shit until Big Brother gets involved and shuts it down... Most of the trolls have a vested financial interest in delaying more hashing power from coming online, as long as they possibly can... Undecided

+1 Also some may be hoping people in front of them cancel so they get items faster. A dangerous move but possible motivation.

Quote from: KGambler on May 31, 2013, 06:26:19 PM

Sgt Spike believes BFL is legit, but he's always been very reasonable and is definitely not a shill. As for monkeywrench, he's a transparent shill and clearly has some kind of relationship with BFL. I put him on ignore a week ago.

Sgt Spike, BFL may go out of business even if a lawsuit never materializes. If they don't start shipping in bulk relatively soon, they will go under. When that happens, no refunds for anyone, and no money printing machine either... Every day that goes by there are more ASICs in the wild, more being produced and more being developed. The clock is ticking for BFL, scam or no scam.

BFL is now shipping Jally's and we are seeing many in the wild. The shipping rate does seem to be increasing.

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Sgt Spike believes BFL is legit, but he's always been very reasonable and is definitely not a shill. As for monkeywrench, he's a transparent shill and clearly has some kind of relationship with BFL. I put him on ignore a week ago.

Sgt Spike, BFL may go out of business even if a lawsuit never materializes. If they don't start shipping in bulk relatively soon, they will go under. When that happens, no refunds for anyone, and no money printing machine either... Every day that goes by there are more ASICs in the wild, more being produced and more being developed. The clock is ticking for BFL, scam or no scam.

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Quote from: ordy on May 31, 2013, 05:58:04 PM

Quote from: SgtSpike on May 31, 2013, 05:01:07 PM

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Quote from: SgtSpike on May 31, 2013, 03:31:47 PM

If BFL is taken to court, then no one gets their miners. If they are not, then people get their miners, they just get them late.

So you don't want BFL to be taken to court because the penalties for their illegal activities will be the final nail in the coffin?

Exactly. Why would I want $800 instead of a money machine printing $800/day, even if it is 9 months later than expected?

So you are fine with pyramid schemes built on pre-orders as long as you are near enough to the top of the pyramid that you stand a chance of profiting from those beneath you.
Very telling.

Nope. I do not believe BFL to be a pyramid scheme. They are a legitimate company with many setbacks in their production process.

Then why would you worry about people suing and taking BFL down via the courts?
You already said you don't care about BFL's illegal activities and just want people to refrain from suing them because you want your money printing machine.

It depends on what sort of illegal activities they are doing, and whether I agree that they deserve for their company to go bankrupt over them. But I don't think BFL has done anything purposefully or maliciously wrong here, so I do not agree that any lawsuit should be brought against them. You could pick up any random Joe off the street and probably find 10 laws he's broken in that very day, but does that mean he deserves to go to jail?

And yes, I would prefer that no lawsuits be brought against BFL. But at the same time, so does everyone who still has an order with BFL. They would all rather have their money printing machines instead of a lawsuit that is unlikely to even fully refund their order amounts. That's why I do not believe anyone will bring a legitimate lawsuit against BFL - because BFL will still deliver, those who have units on order know that they will, and those who do not believe they will do not have orders with BFL.

It's fun how you try to twist around my words to make me look bad though.

Please stop trying to talk for all BFL pre-order "customers" - you do not know of what you speak.

My apologies, I will refrain from referring to all of them as an absolute in the future.

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