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Quote from: unamis76 on April 18, 2015, 04:33:29 PM

I'm surprised that BFL is such a small part of the forum. I was about to suggest you should just give them yesterday's forum snapshot Grin

Jokes aside... What the hell do we have to do with BFL? Why the hell should theymos be forced to lose time gathering all the information these guys need? If they need info, get them yourselves... Don't force your own citizens to work for you for free, gathering old information they have nothing to do about and sending them in if they don't bow to this... Pretty annoying.

As for the PM protection... I agree with Blazr. Losing your password would be a feature. But this also should be opt-in, with a big, annoying, one time warning.

I have asked the 'same' thing and this is was the reply from BadBear:

Quote from: BadBear on April 17, 2015, 07:33:28 AM

Subpoena is a court order, so yes he has to respond (either consent or fight it in court) or he can be jailed.

And yes you should always use PGP or something else for sensitive communications.

I hope they enjoy reading my pm's to Inaba warning him to stop trolling and derailing threads, and him whining about someone else starting it.

I was lucky to have not sent any 'sensitive' pm to any 'member' of BFL team or person related with them.

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I'm surprised that BFL is such a small part of the forum. I was about to suggest you should just give them yesterday's forum snapshot Grin

Jokes aside... What the hell do we have to do with BFL? Why the hell should theymos be forced to lose time gathering all the information these guys need? If they need info, get them yourselves... Don't force your own citizens to work for you for free, gathering old information they have nothing to do about and sending them in if they don't bow to this... Pretty annoying.

As for the PM protection... I agree with Blazr. Losing your password would be a feature. But this also should be opt-in, with a big, annoying, one time warning.

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Quote from: sbogovac on April 18, 2015, 04:04:50 PM

As you can reed on the first page of the subpoena it were: KYLE ALEXANDER, and DYLAN SYMINGTON of the WOOD LAW FIRM that requested it.

(And if you google WOOD LAW FIRM and BFL together, what do you get...?)

Oh it was a Law Firm. I get this if I Google search it: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners

I assumed it was a Government agency as I just went by the definition and I read the case that the company hasn't lived up to the expectations of their customers and they have many cases issued against them.

Thanks for the reply

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Quote from: erikalui on April 18, 2015, 02:31:12 PM

Quote from: sbogovac on April 18, 2015, 02:10:10 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

[...] when the Government needs any info, it's hard to convince them. [...]

Huh...

What's you talking about? What does government have to do with this? Did you even read the subpoena (let alone the rest of this thread before posting)?

[...]I read that in the first post but my concern was if they want to take any action on the users that just used the terms or they are only interested in the BFL employees-/ex employees posts.

Where in the first post does it say anything about government? You assumed it... I assume... Tongue

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Quote from: erikalui on April 18, 2015, 02:31:12 PM

[...]Why did they ask for all the posts that mentioned that term?[...]

Only they know. But my guess is - like Muhammed's - they think it wil somehow help them in their investigation of / case against BFL...

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Quote from: erikalui on April 18, 2015, 02:31:12 PM

Quote from: sbogovac on April 18, 2015, 02:10:10 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

[...] when the Government needs any info, it's hard to convince them. [...]

Huh...

What's you talking about? What does government have to do with this? Did you even read the subpoena (let alone the rest of this thread before posting)?

I just found this: http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/download.html?id=176216470&z=77fe495b

And this http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.68.1.pdf

I thought it is the Government agency who issued this. Huh

[...]

As you can reed on the first page of the subpoena it were: KYLE ALEXANDER, and DYLAN SYMINGTON of the WOOD LAW FIRM that requested it.

(And if you Google WOOD LAW FIRM and BFL together, what do you get...?)

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Quote from: erikalui on April 18, 2015, 02:31:12 PM

Quote from: sbogovac on April 18, 2015, 02:10:10 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

[...] when the Government needs any info, it's hard to convince them. [...]

Huh...

What's you talking about? What does government have to do with this? Did you even read the subpoena (let alone the rest of this thread before posting)?

I just found this: http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/download.html?id=176216470&z=77fe495b

And this http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.68.1.pdf

I thought it is the Government agency who issued this. Huh

If you know better than me, then would you mind explaining when the following are the Target accounts:

BFL_Josh
BFL_Sonny
BFL-Engineer
Inaba
BFL AM Dave
bcp19
nibbknot
SLok

Why did they ask for all the posts that mentioned that term?

They think all posts and PMs will be helpful for their investigation but theymos has reduced it(according to OP).

P.S.

Quote from: theymos on April 17, 2015, 01:36:49 AM

=snip=
The subpoena originally demanded all PMs that even mentioned BFL, which is ridiculous, but I managed to get this part eliminated.
=snip=

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Quote from: sbogovac on April 18, 2015, 02:10:10 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

[...] when the Government needs any info, it's hard to convince them. [...]

Huh...

What's you talking about? What does government have to do with this? Did you even read the subpoena (let alone the rest of this thread before posting)?

I just found this: http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/download.html?id=176216470&z=77fe495b

And this http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.68.1.pdf

I thought it is the Government agency who issued this. Huh

If you know better than me, then would you mind explaining when the following are the Target accounts:

BFL_Josh
BFL_Sonny
BFL-Engineer
Inaba
BFL AM Dave
bcp19
nibbknot
SLok

Why did they ask for all the posts that mentioned that term?

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 18, 2015, 03:05:49 PM

They think all posts and PMs will be helpful for their investigation but theymos has reduced it(according to OP).

P.S.

Quote from: theymos on April 17, 2015, 01:36:49 AM

=snip=
The subpoena originally demanded all PMs that even mentioned BFL, which is ridiculous, but I managed to get this part eliminated.
=snip=

I read that in the first post but my concern was if they want to take any action on the users that just used the terms or they are only interested in the BFL employees-/ex employees posts.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

[...] when the Government needs any info, it's hard to convince them. [...]

Huh...

What's you talking about? What does government have to do with this? Did you even read the subpoena (let alone the rest of this thread before posting)?

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Quote from: Xian01 on April 18, 2015, 03:17:10 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on April 17, 2015, 09:54:34 AM

Can you upload the subpoeana here in the forum (as the other one, the silkroad subpoena?) thanks.

Subpoena for Bitcointalk information -- http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.68.1.pdf

"Alexander et al v. BF Labs Inc." - http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.docket.html

Thanks for the links Wink

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 18, 2015, 04:06:48 AM

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So not only keyword "BFL" but there are more. It will be a big pain for theymos.

Quote from: subpoena

Target Keywords: BFL
BF Labs Butterfly Labs Vleisides
Zerlan
Ownby
Ghoseiri
eclipse
butterflylabs.com
eclipsemc.com
monarch
jalapeno
nimbusmining

It seems all words "related" with BFL...

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Quote from: Xian01 on April 18, 2015, 03:17:10 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on April 17, 2015, 09:54:34 AM

Can you upload the subpoeana here in the forum (as the other one, the silkroad subpoena?) thanks.

Subpoena for Bitcointalk information -- http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.68.1.pdf

"Alexander et al v. BF Labs Inc." - http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.docket.html

I'm pretty sure nibbknot is Bruno's sock. Bruno didn't work for BFL, did he?

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@op do you have plans to leave that jurisdiction?

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Quote from: Xian01 on April 18, 2015, 03:17:10 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on April 17, 2015, 09:54:34 AM

Can you upload the subpoeana here in the forum (as the other one, the silkroad subpoena?) thanks.

Subpoena for Bitcointalk information -- http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.68.1.pdf

"Alexander et al v. BF Labs Inc." - http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.docket.html

Thank you.

So not only keyword "BFL" but there are more. It will be a big pain for theymos.

Quote from: subpoena

Target Keywords: BFL
BF Labs Butterfly Labs Vleisides
Zerlan
Ownby
Ghoseiri
eclipse
butterflylabs.com
eclipsemc.com
monarch
jalapeno
nimbusmining

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 17, 2015, 09:54:34 AM

Can you upload the subpoeana here in the forum (as the other one, the silkroad subpoena?) thanks.

Subpoena for Bitcointalk information -- http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.68.1.pdf

"Alexander et al v. BF Labs Inc." - http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.docket.html

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Quote from: VenusFlyTrap on April 17, 2015, 10:45:55 PM

I wonder when they will be requesting info on bcp19's alts. He's posted under:

Pokokohua!
badgerkiller
bcpokey
DaBitcoinGuy

Maybe a couple others I can't remember, but the guy just totally lost his mind (probably because of the subpoena) and revealed his latest alt account. Meh, par for the course when BFL is involved. Roll Eyes

Just check my trust for that complete list.

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Quote from: r3wt on April 18, 2015, 12:30:17 AM

Quote from: Leeroy Jenkins on April 17, 2015, 11:10:24 PM

Well, I don't see why the "BFL" account (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bfl-44366) was not included in the subpoena. Am I missing something? Huh

Edit: Anyone!?

Probably because that account hasn't had activity since 2013, but who can really say for certain.

But, but the time period for the subpoena is from mid-2011 to now, so it remains inexplicable that it wouldn't be included, especially given who I (and many others) think operated that account. Shocked

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Quote from: Leeroy Jenkins on April 18, 2015, 12:00:41 AM

Quote from: r3wt on April 17, 2015, 11:16:10 PM

Here's what i know about bcp19

I said something about BFL being a scam. then i got some pretty new red paint on my trust profile

Dude, take a look at Blazr's stats history by activity. Guess what shows up? Nah, I'll tell you: Korean. Who also knows Korean, is in love with himself and BFL and held a bullshit contest? Josh Zerlan.

Now where is my cookie? Roll Eyes

I'm not into lying, so i'll be honest and say that Blazr's feedback on my profile is atleast partially earned through past transgressions by myself. In the context of this discussion, i'd say that Blazr's feedback had nothing to do with BFL, and more to do with me not being able to let a sleeping dog lie.

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Quote from: Leeroy Jenkins on April 17, 2015, 11:10:24 PM

Well, I don't see why the "BFL" account (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bfl-44366) was not included in the subpoena. Am I missing something? Huh

Edit: Anyone!?

Probably because that account hasn't had activity since 2013, but who can really say for certain.

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Quote from: Quickseller on April 18, 2015, 12:03:00 AM

Blazr is too smart to be BFL_josh. They also live in different countries/continents/extremely distant time zones.

Hrm, the "too smart" bit doesn't seem to jive but thanks for the alternate POV.

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Quote from: Leeroy Jenkins on April 18, 2015, 12:00:41 AM

Quote from: r3wt on April 17, 2015, 11:16:10 PM

Here's what i know about bcp19

I said something about BFL being a scam. then i got some pretty new red paint on my trust profile

Dude, take a look at that account's stats history by activity. Guess what shows up? Nah, I'll tell you: Korean. Who also knows Korean, is in love with himself and BFL, and held a bullshit contest? Josh Zerlan.

Now where is my cookie? Roll Eyes

Blazr is too smart to be BFL_josh. They also live in different countries/continents/extremely distant time zones.

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