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Topic: BFL Trade-Up Program - I have seen the light ! - page 3. (Read 5550 times)

legendary
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Just got a response from Jody.  You have to put up 50% of the cost, the other 50% can be trade in.

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I understand how you are confused. This whole thing has not been explained in detail. If it were a straight trade of old equipment for new our business would fold in a week. Here's how it works: if you buy $599 worth of BFL product--say 4 Jalapenos, you are eligible to send in a Single to exchange for 4 more Jalapenos. You must buy something to be eligible to trade something of equal value. And you don't have to send in your old equipment when you pay for the new--you send it in when you are notified that your ASIC equipment is ready to ship. Does this make sense to you?

Jody

I don't know if I believe this post since on the BFL press release it says very clearly ---

"Because our first and second generation equipment is expected to be outpaced very quickly by the new hardware, customers who have purchased earlier generation products will be able to trade them in at 100% of their value toward the purchase of SC-generation hardware."

It would be nice if BFL would come here and explain this in their own words rather than hear it from a 3rd party.


The two quotes are perfectly consistent. Under the 50% trade-in plan, you would be able to exchange earlier generation products at 100% of their value. But in order to do this you have to buy some new hardware too. So, if you buy four of the cup-warmers for $600, this gives you the option to get four more by trading in a single. By exchanging four cup-warmers for a single, you are exchanging the single at 100% of its value. So there is no reason to question the first quote in light of the second.  
legendary
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do we really need enrich a company to build this thing ?
hero member
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I see, so I should just believe the 3 or 4 people on here that love to slam this company and could have easily set up a fake quote from a BFL employee rather than believe the actual press release given by the company itself.  Sure.  Wink



I like to bash BFL ?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.975270

Sure, I liked but you can say I too have seen the light like my buddy bitlane Cheesy
newbie
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I see, so I should just believe the 3 or 4 people on here that love to slam this company and could have easily set up a fake quote from a BFL employee rather than believe the actual press release given by the company itself.  Sure.  Wink

hero member
Activity: 518
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Just got a response from Jody.  You have to put up 50% of the cost, the other 50% can be trade in.

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I understand how you are confused. This whole thing has not been explained in detail. If it were a straight trade of old equipment for new our business would fold in a week. Here's how it works: if you buy $599 worth of BFL product--say 4 Jalapenos, you are eligible to send in a Single to exchange for 4 more Jalapenos. You must buy something to be eligible to trade something of equal value. And you don't have to send in your old equipment when you pay for the new--you send it in when you are notified that your ASIC equipment is ready to ship. Does this make sense to you?

Jody

I don't know if I believe this post since on the BFL press release it says very clearly ---

"Because our first and second generation equipment is expected to be outpaced very quickly by the new hardware, customers who have purchased earlier generation products will be able to trade them in at 100% of their value toward the purchase of SC-generation hardware."

It would be nice if BFL would come here and explain this in their own words rather than hear it from a 3rd party.


Just like Matthew said : people stupid, money a lot, come quick.

DO you really think they could survive the ASIC fabrication without getting ANY new money from customers if the trade in was 1:1 ?

DO you really think ASIC is free ? You must think $ 1 000 000 = free for BFL ? Maybe BFL are the FED and can print money for free from China too !

Stop the trolling it is basically a 50% trade in. Forces everybody to double their investment if they wanna stay in the game.

All singles value is now $300 or less ...
rjk
sr. member
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1ngldh
Just got a response from Jody.  You have to put up 50% of the cost, the other 50% can be trade in.

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I understand how you are confused. This whole thing has not been explained in detail. If it were a straight trade of old equipment for new our business would fold in a week. Here's how it works: if you buy $599 worth of BFL product--say 4 Jalapenos, you are eligible to send in a Single to exchange for 4 more Jalapenos. You must buy something to be eligible to trade something of equal value. And you don't have to send in your old equipment when you pay for the new--you send it in when you are notified that your ASIC equipment is ready to ship. Does this make sense to you?

Jody

I don't know if I believe this post since on the BFL press release it says very clearly ---

"Because our first and second generation equipment is expected to be outpaced very quickly by the new hardware, customers who have purchased earlier generation products will be able to trade them in at 100% of their value toward the purchase of SC-generation hardware."

It would be nice if BFL would come here and explain this in their own words rather than hear it from a 3rd party.

The quote from "Jody" is their own words, she is an employee of BFL.
newbie
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Just got a response from Jody.  You have to put up 50% of the cost, the other 50% can be trade in.

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I understand how you are confused. This whole thing has not been explained in detail. If it were a straight trade of old equipment for new our business would fold in a week. Here's how it works: if you buy $599 worth of BFL product--say 4 Jalapenos, you are eligible to send in a Single to exchange for 4 more Jalapenos. You must buy something to be eligible to trade something of equal value. And you don't have to send in your old equipment when you pay for the new--you send it in when you are notified that your ASIC equipment is ready to ship. Does this make sense to you?

Jody

I don't know if I believe this post since on the BFL press release it says very clearly ---

"Because our first and second generation equipment is expected to be outpaced very quickly by the new hardware, customers who have purchased earlier generation products will be able to trade them in at 100% of their value toward the purchase of SC-generation hardware."

It would be nice if BFL would come here and explain this in their own words rather than hear it from a 3rd party.
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1000
Just got a response from Jody.  You have to put up 50% of the cost, the other 50% can be trade in.

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I understand how you are confused. This whole thing has not been explained in detail. If it were a straight trade of old equipment for new our business would fold in a week. Here's how it works: if you buy $599 worth of BFL product--say 4 Jalapenos, you are eligible to send in a Single to exchange for 4 more Jalapenos. You must buy something to be eligible to trade something of equal value. And you don't have to send in your old equipment when you pay for the new--you send it in when you are notified that your ASIC equipment is ready to ship. Does this make sense to you?

Jody

If this is how the trade-in plan will work, it seems reasonable to me. You can't expect BFL to bankrupt themselves just to meet the best case scenario wishes of miners. People who thought they could trade-in their singles straight for ASICs without giving BFL more money were being unrealistic (I thought this was Bitlane's basic point starting from a thread or two ago). A 50% trade-in plan were you get to keep your singles until the replacement is ready to ship is about as good as anything that could reasonably be expected. Sure, it sucks for miners who have used up all their capital on singles and have no more money to invest, but frankly that is their problem, not BFL's. If you are going to invest all your available capital, it is your job to do proper research first. And anyone who had done proper research should have known that FPGAs would be made obsolete by ASICs at some point. When ASICs do eventually arrive, you shouldn't invest all your capital in them either, since it is possible that Bitcoin might drop sha256. You shouldn't even be investing all your capital in Bitcoin - coins or mining - in the first place since it is, like all investments, risky. It's called diversification people - a basic principle of sound investing. 
hero member
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I think I will just wait till I can get detailed information from BFL. Its like the matrix in here, its hard to discern what is real and what is not. Perhaps I should have taken the blue pill.
sr. member
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that minirig earns MONEY FOR AT LEAST 5 MONTHS. You can calculate with your numbers but my spreadsheet says 12500$. So MR owners have to invest about 5000$ more max.

So ignoring any difficulty increase that might happen due to the new minirigs being shipped, someone receiving one of these pieces of hardware will have to save every satoshi they earn from it for the next 5 months, then spend that AND an additional $5000 in order to not have a piece of hardware that's only use is a doorstop? You're right, when I look at it that way it really does seem like a deal! Where do I sign up?

I didn't say that's a great deal. In reality that sucks. I just explained why upgrading is not 2xMR price like many of us claims. I calculated those numbers with $6/BTC and 1 800 000 dif. That should be pretty realistic.
donator
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that minirig earns MONEY FOR AT LEAST 5 MONTHS. You can calculate with your numbers but my spreadsheet says 12500$. So MR owners have to invest about 5000$ more max.

So ignoring any difficulty increase that might happen due to the new minirigs being shipped, someone receiving one of these pieces of hardware will have to save every satoshi they earn from it for the next 5 months, then spend that AND an additional $5000 in order to not have a piece of hardware that's only use is a doorstop? You're right, when I look at it that way it really does seem like a deal! Where do I sign up?
sr. member
Activity: 466
Merit: 250
You know what I think happened :

BFL saw your posts and decided to follow your business model instead of 1:1 swapping as before !

That might actually be true. Looks like they can design HW but have no idea about PR or pricing their products or about anything else.
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
You know what I think happened :

BFL saw your posts and decided to follow your business model instead of 1:1 swapping as before !

So we WILL be able to trade 50 current singles straight across without money involved, for a new ASIC Mini-Rig after all ?
hero member
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You know what I think happened :

BFL saw your posts and decided to follow your business model instead of 1:1 swapping as before !
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
BITLANE YOU ARE AN IDIOT, GET A LIFE AND A JOB MAYBE ? AND STOP SPAMMING THE FORUM WITH IDIOT POSTS.

Right....you were the idiot that posted this...

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Well they could have skipped the trade-up program. But they decided to include one and people are still not happy, BFL Labs is a business after all not a charity  and they don't owe you anything, if you don't like, don't buy from them.

You fall into that category of users on this forum who are complete fucking MORONS and have no clue.

Have fun stating the obvious and kissing BFL's collective ass.... I think you will be alone on that soon enough.


...and speaking of jobs, I can't take someone seriously, who puts a donation address in their forum sig like a deadbeat...LOL

Perhaps YOU need a better job ?
sr. member
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that minirig earns MONEY FOR AT LEAST 5 MONTHS. You can calculate with your numbers but my spreadsheet says 12500$. So MR owners have to invest about 5000$ more max.
sr. member
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BITLANE YOU ARE AN IDIOT, GET A LIFE AND A JOB MAYBE ? AND STOP SPAMMING THE FORUM WITH IDIOT POSTS.
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
Thats pretty fucked up.

After spending the day arguing with people, I just decided to go along with them, regardless of how fucked up it looks in the OP.

People actually thought they would be able to do this !....some people have NO CLUE., so I just gave in.

How could I have been right ? ....saying people would HAVE TO PAY ATLEAST the difference, not trade in old for new straight across, like I posted in the OP.
I only used common sense, basic business principals and a bit of math.
hero member
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Wat
Thats pretty fucked up.
vip
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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.
You were right, I was wrong.  Wink

Bravo!  I had to post one of these earlier tonight.  Its a shame more people don't.

I was a FOOL to truly believe that every current owner would have to pay BFL 2x just to stay current/competitive once ASICs hit....

I should have used the same fucked up business sense that everyone else did.

I wasn't being sarcastic.
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