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Quote from: philips on March 27, 2013, 06:57:32 PM

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Well, some good news. They think they've found the problem with the test rig. They were able to get the chip spinning with some hand modifications and a few of the engines even ran at 500 MHz. They are going to get some new hardware for the test rig and that should get us what we need by early to mid next week.

Silence since then...(03-20-2013 08:10 PM)

Silence is normal when there is a proverbial robbery in progress.

I wonder if they can give back every cent they have taken to date. ("IF" they fail)

Worst case scenario, customers are left wondering how to contact BFL about their refund. I propose everyone donate to Micon a quarter to get him to take pictures of what will one day be a husk of a company.

Though PG always says not to count my chickens before they are hatched.

I should say "I hope they succeed" as that will jinx them a bit more.

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2 out of "dozen of loud and stupid people" posted already, that was really quick Grin

Yes, the people who aren't shilling for a vaporware manufacturer are the stupid ones. BFL modified their hashing power and power usage targets to match bASIC's specs. It wasn't "we engineered this device to run at 60gh/s and use 60 watts", it was "bASIC says their machine will run at 60gh/s and 60 watts, so we have to say ours will too". bASIC couldn't deliver, what makes you think BFL can? a die shrink from 110nm to 65nm doesn't give you a 90% drop in power usage, and BFL has proven with their delays that they are nowhere near as capable of engineering a rig as Avalon.

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Quote from: Gomeler on March 27, 2013, 06:52:01 PM

If my understandings are correct, BFL could at least have some tangible results such as "We've achieved 2 GH/s per chip and we are working to ramp up to our target of xxx GH/s. Stay tuned for exciting overclocking potential!". Or hell "We've managed to get one of the xxx 'hashing engines' functional and we're tuning things to bin our chips." I know they mentioned a few weeks ago they managed something like 250 MHz, those details are useful and would quell the angry mob.

It would not quell dozen of loud and stupid people who can't see almost epic difference between medium computer case very noisy
machine consuming 600W+ and one that does the same job but fits in a palm, is silent and consumes 60W. Because of those people,
there are no regular updates.

Is the difference that the first one actually exists?

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Quote from: Gomeler on March 27, 2013, 06:52:01 PM

If my understandings are correct, BFL could at least have some tangible results such as "We've achieved 2 GH/s per chip and we are working to ramp up to our target of xxx GH/s. Stay tuned for exciting overclocking potential!". Or hell "We've managed to get one of the xxx 'hashing engines' functional and we're tuning things to bin our chips." I know they mentioned a few weeks ago they managed something like 250 MHz, those details are useful and would quell the angry mob.

It would not quell dozen of loud and stupid people who can't see almost epic difference between medium computer case very noisy
machine consuming 600W+ and one that does the same job but fits in a palm, is silent and consumes 60W. Because of those people,
there are no regular updates.

Yes that is the reason

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Quote from: Gator-hex on March 27, 2013, 07:13:54 PM

This is an interesting quote...

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"I would like to point out the fact that there still isn't any viable competitors in this market place. Avalon has shipped at most 300 units which has taken them 3 months to accomplish - we are geared up to ship that many (and more) per day." BFL-Josh (03-25-2013)

So should we take from this statement, that we should only support BFL ASIC because Avalon isn't viable? Avalon's shipping 900 units (Batch 1 & 2) and another 500 to make 1400 total. Is that not viable? Interesting.

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This is an interesting quote...

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"I would like to point out the fact that there still isn't any viable competitors in this market place. Avalon has shipped at most 300 units which has taken them 3 months to accomplish - we are geared up to ship that many (and more) per day." BFL-Josh (03-25-2013)

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Well, some good news. They think they've found the problem with the test rig. They were able to get the chip spinning with some hand modifications and a few of the engines even ran at 500 MHz. They are going to get some new hardware for the test rig and that should get us what we need by early to mid next week.

Silence since then...(03-20-2013 08:10 PM)

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I have zero experience in testing ASICs but I wish somebody that did have experience could step in and explain this process. I would imagine that testing the chips would involve confirming that the logic that was implemented in hardware is yielding the result that you want (1 + 1 = 2). I imagine there are also other tests like voltage and temperature sensitivity(450 MHz requires 1.2v but 425 MHz only requires 1.05v, but if the core temp exceeds 67C it requires 1.15v) but how difficult is this? My understanding is that a BTC implementation in hardware can be simply tested for correctness by feeding in a known input and comparing it to a known output.

If my understandings are correct, BFL could at least have some tangible results such as "We've achieved 2 GH/s per chip and we are working to ramp up to our target of xxx GH/s. Stay tuned for exciting overclocking potential!". Or hell "We've managed to get one of the xxx 'hashing engines' functional and we're tuning things to bin our chips." I know they mentioned a few weeks ago they managed something like 250 MHz, those details are useful and would quell the angry mob.

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Oh that is just epic on so many levels.

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Quote from: philips on March 27, 2013, 06:06:57 PM

Oh goody, another BFL thread...boy, we really needed that.

Oh, come on, it was funny!

I don't know if Josh knows it but the customer he's replying to, Davincij15, has invested like BTC 3000 in pre-orders that would have been worth $267,000 at todays price. The guy deserve a factory tour to put his mind at rest at least after that much commitment.

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This scam is getting close to the end.

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Oh goody, another BFL thread...boy, we really needed that.

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"The process to bring a brand new ASIC to life is not as simple as turning it on. The fact that some people think it is, is an indicator that they have never actually done so. There is a lot of testing, poking, prodding and debugging that needs to happen to get a chip up and running and if someone tells you differently, they are incorrect, plain and simple. " BFL-Josh (03-25-2013)

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1448-i-think-its-safe-say-we-need-daily-updates-5.html

...then Mattsdx points out the "someone / some people" who said this...

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"These aren't Pentium chips. They either work or they don't and we will know immediately after we turn them on." BFL-Josh (01-30-2013)

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/837-sunday-27-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-7.html#post12276

LOL, owned by his own comment. Cheesy

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