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Topic: {BFL} Who here already pre-ordered the Monarch 28 nm Bitcoin mining card ??? - page 2. (Read 16264 times)

newbie
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Until i see one of you guys produce something better and faster i say Inaba and BFL is doing a pretty decent job.

And to be honest, i like his style. It takes cojones to ask a customer to fuck off  Cool

Aren't you the liar troll who claimed to be a part of HF's team?  Why should we give a shit what you think.  Plenty of people have produced a better product than Josh, considering he hasn't produced sweet fuck-all but wildly inaccurate estimates and a piss poor attitude to the legitimate concerns of his customers.  Further, plenty of people here have successfully produced something better and faster than BFL.



The one and only, SantaMuerte, yes. Remember the alias, it will be in the headlines some day Wink
legendary
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Additionally, the need for it to fit any PCI-card form-factor is no longer necessary for >90% of your customers since why would they want to add >150W of mobo/CPU to the power use of this thing when almost every other design available or coming out simply connects directly to the internet without a host computer?

The PCI form factor is what they should have done with their 65nm line in the first place.  At that point we all still had huge GPU farms that could have incorporated a design like this quite easily.  Now that we've been forced off of the ATX platform into standalone units, all these were good work was data center deployment.  However, as you've pointed out, the monstrosity of that water cooling solution pretty much kills that approach.
legendary
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Until i see one of you guys produce something better and faster i say Inaba and BFL is doing a pretty decent job.

And to be honest, i like his style. It takes cojones to ask a customer to fuck off  Cool

Aren't you the liar troll who claimed to be a part of HF's team?  Why should we give a shit what you think.  Plenty of people have produced a better product than Josh, considering he hasn't produced sweet fuck-all but wildly inaccurate estimates and a piss poor attitude to the legitimate concerns of his customers.  Further, plenty of people here have successfully produced something better and faster than BFL.

newbie
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Until i see one of you guys produce something better and faster i say Inaba and BFL is doing a pretty decent job.

And to be honest, i like his style. It takes cojones to ask a customer to fuck off  Cool
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe

a GPU with all this tubing etc. Clearly they don't get it and they don't understand where the next thing in mining is. They have chosen wrong. Very wrong. Also they don't include the psu's and the mobo you are going to need to do these in any sort of density. $$$ tis gonna cost you a lot more time as well setting these up and tweaking. Too much time.

These will all use USB cables for 99% of the 'lucky' owners - and will be a terrible mostrosity. It is amazing the poor design that BFL chose and stuck with. An honest man in thier shoes right now would go: "shit, we are behind schedule and our design is horrendous and matches no form-factor at all. Let's re-design this a a square, 4-chip board so that it can be stacked or encased easily and provide 2x the hashing power to our customers who have waited all this time"

But nope, these things are gonna take up 5 PCI slots with a big heavy radiator/pump, require host computers and be delivered astoundingly late to customers

You two really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? heh... it's like watching two toddlers trying to be part of an adult conversation.  It really is.

please, explain. The original monarch drawings all show it having roughly the form factor of a 7950 GPU. the most recent image shows a big card with ugly water blocks on it that is already much thicker than any GPU, and it doesnt even have a radiator or coolant resevoir on it yet, which would probably double its height again.

I mighr have more idea what im talking about if the monarch was actually on-time, properly prototyped, shown to those who had invested in it, and met specs (600GH air-cooled was the original promise'estimate', wasn't it?)

PLEASE, show us what BFL has now? as far as i can tell its ugly, late, and not nearly the promised specs. Additionally, the need for it to fit any PCI-card form-factor is no longer necessary for >90% of your customers since why would they want to add >150W of mobo/CPU to the power use of this thing when almost every other design available or coming out simply connects directly to the internet without a host computer?

grow up inaba. you have not made friends here, maybe its time your parents try moving you to a private school
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a GPU with all this tubing etc. Clearly they don't get it and they don't understand where the next thing in mining is. They have chosen wrong. Very wrong. Also they don't include the psu's and the mobo you are going to need to do these in any sort of density. $$$ tis gonna cost you a lot more time as well setting these up and tweaking. Too much time.

These will all use USB cables for 99% of the 'lucky' owners - and will be a terrible mostrosity. It is amazing the poor design that BFL chose and stuck with. An honest man in thier shoes right now would go: "shit, we are behind schedule and our design is horrendous and matches no form-factor at all. Let's re-design this a a square, 4-chip board so that it can be stacked or encased easily and provide 2x the hashing power to our customers who have waited all this time"

But nope, these things are gonna take up 5 PCI slots with a big heavy radiator/pump, require host computers and be delivered astoundingly late to customers

You two really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? heh... it's like watching two toddlers trying to be part of an adult conversation.  It really is.



Heres BFL_Josh trusted feedback link. Please give them a Trusted feedback Smiley Wink

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bfljosh-63314

Also Here's Inaba trusted feedback link. Please give him a Trusted feedback as-well Smiley Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198
hero member
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Who here already pre-ordered the Monarch 28 nm Bitcoin mining card

Heres BFL_Josh trusted feedback link. Please give them a Trusted feedback Smiley Wink

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bfljosh-63314

Also Here's Inaba trusted feedback link. Please give him a Trusted feedback as-well Smiley Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198
Yes I pre-ordered the Monarch and I have high HOPEs BFL will deliver on time

 11 (6.6%)
Nope not me, Mama didn't raise no fool

 133 (79.6%)
Yes, I pre-ordered it and now Im trying to sell it (make me an offer, Please!)

 3 (1.8%)

I regret buying the Monarch

 20 (12%)
 
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hero member
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Attacking the person yet again?

No doubt he is.
legendary
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a GPU with all this tubing etc. Clearly they don't get it and they don't understand where the next thing in mining is. They have chosen wrong. Very wrong. Also they don't include the psu's and the mobo you are going to need to do these in any sort of density. $$$ tis gonna cost you a lot more time as well setting these up and tweaking. Too much time.

These will all use USB cables for 99% of the 'lucky' owners - and will be a terrible mostrosity. It is amazing the poor design that BFL chose and stuck with. An honest man in thier shoes right now would go: "shit, we are behind schedule and our design is horrendous and matches no form-factor at all. Let's re-design this a a square, 4-chip board so that it can be stacked or encased easily and provide 2x the hashing power to our customers who have waited all this time"

But nope, these things are gonna take up 5 PCI slots with a big heavy radiator/pump, require host computers and be delivered astoundingly late to customers

You two really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? heh... it's like watching two toddlers trying to be part of an adult conversation.  It really is.

hero member
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They are using some off the shelf design / components and slapping untested chips on it. No doubt they have some sort of deal with a PCB fab that used to do older GPU's etc and have everything all 'lined up'. Cutting corners at every step of the design phase gets you a wonderfully ugly miner that is so retro that that it comes out of the box looking like Steam Punk or something that was made for Battle Star Gallatica

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptoaCKZ0Tw
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe

a GPU with all this tubing etc. Clearly they don't get it and they don't understand where the next thing in mining is. They have chosen wrong. Very wrong. Also they don't include the psu's and the mobo you are going to need to do these in any sort of density. $$$ tis gonna cost you a lot more time as well setting these up and tweaking. Too much time.

These will all use USB cables for 99% of the 'lucky' owners - and will be a terrible mostrosity. It is amazing the poor design that BFL chose and stuck with. An honest man in thier shoes right now would go: "shit, we are behind schedule and our design is horrendous and matches no form-factor at all. Let's re-design this a a square, 4-chip board so that it can be stacked or encased easily and provide 2x the hashing power to our customers who have waited all this time"

But nope, these things are gonna take up 5 PCI slots with a big heavy radiator/pump, require host computers and be delivered astoundingly late to customers
hero member
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What is the cheapest components we can get in bulk?

That is how they design.

PSU? Flame out.
Fan? Burn out.
FPGA chips bargain basement end of line chips.
Bulk casing.
Cheap and thick heatsink pads that add 10C to every unit.

etc etc etc.


At some point you really have to look at what they do not so much as design but as firefighting every other mistake they make when coming up with a new mining platform. What happens when Asicminer drops a 20nm chip into the same system of blades in that existing cooling platform? BOOM just when you are about to receive your wonderful GPU 600GH/s piece of crap one blade on this back plane board below will be pulling in 1 or 2 Th/s. Game over anyway you want to slice it.

http://hongwrong.com/hong-kong-bitcoin/

The key factors to make industrial mining profitable is access to low prized energy, minimized energy bills, small space requirements, rapid deployment, low infrastructure overhead on the facility level, organized and simplified logistics, a design that can be re-used for several generations, and good experienced people with an appetite for new and untested terrain. As a result, the mining lifespan of each generation will be greatly improved and mining income maximized.
legendary
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So the news basically says five weeks to go - maybe 4 if you believe Jan 9th date - and the monarch card went from something resembling a GPU with shrouding to an ugly, watercooled motherf--ker.

The image below doesnt even have the tubing and radiator/pump on it yet. If this thing still connects to a PCI port, its going to take up about 3-5 slots with its terrible form factor. You would be excruciatingly lucky to fit 2 of them in even the biggest motherboard/case combo





Seriously.  I'm not sure who over there at BFL put this together and thought "Damn, this is it.  Looks SICK!  People are going to eat this shit up."  

Further, why don't they just design a proper waterblock like every water cooled GPU on the face of the earth uses.  I guess it's likely they only employ a single EE who's not very competant in Solidworks or AutoCAD. 
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
So the news basically says five weeks to go - maybe 4 if you believe Jan 9th date - and the monarch card went from something resembling a GPU with shrouding to an ugly, watercooled motherf--ker.

The image below doesnt even have the tubing and radiator/pump on it yet. If this thing still connects to a PCI port, its going to take up about 3-5 slots with its terrible form factor. You would be excruciatingly lucky to fit 2 of them in even the biggest motherboard/case combo



hero member
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Nothing to see here... March now?

Free water cooling? It is MANDATORY for something like this otherwise it probably won't run.

Feel sorry for anyone that bought this crap.
legendary
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I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)
heres a look at you Monarch LOL


Oh ho, they're watercooling the FETs from the top? This is going to be interesting-fun to watch.

C
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*Monarch UPDATE* From our favorite boy Inaba ~~ More LIEs!


https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html#post74594

The Monarch roll out rolls forward

The silicon wafers are at the packaging planet as of the 13th of January. Our packaging plant is a multi-purpose plant and will be slicing the wafers into chips as well as packaging them. Traditionally, we've had to send chips to a slicing facility, then to the packaging facility, which incurs time delays. Our packaging facility eliminates that delay. They are also the same packaging facility we have been using for our second iteration 65nm chips and it has worked out very well, so we are familiar with them and they are familiar with us and know what requirements we have for our chips. This should make for fairly smooth sailing as far as packaging goes.

We currently expect our first test silicon chips to take approximately 1 week, give or take a few days, for processing and packaging. As with any cutting edge technology, unexpected problems can delay the process, but it's been fairly routine up to this point, so we are not anticipating any problems. After the packaging process is finished, the chips will be sent to our testing and binning facility in California to bring up the chip for the first time. Since this chip is based off of our 65nm design, the testing/bring up phase should be dramatically reduced from the 65nm chip bring up time, as all the IOs and behaviors are already known quantities. As with the packaging, unexpected problems can cause delays in this area, but we are hoping the bring up/testing process will take approximately one week, give or take a few days.

Once the chip testing is complete and verified, the remaining chips are sent to our Chicago facility for mounting on Monarch boards. At this stage, we will receive the first live Monarch board in our shop in KC a day or two later and we will begin the process of finalizing the firmware and testing out all facets of the board. We have had several prototype boards in for various types of testing, most notably a prototype design with resistors in place of the chips to test electrical connections on the board itself between the various components as well as to test heat load for the cooling system. As the majority of the testing of the board has already been done, unless there's a specific chip/board interface problem (which is unlikely), the board firmware testing and full scale testing "should be fairly quick".

At that point, we will begin assembling the delivery units and start shipping the Monarch shortly after that. Right now, we hope to start shipping the first Monarchs out the door at the very earliest at the very end of January or beginning of February, if there are any problems encountered, it may delay the roll out, but right now everything is going fine and we've encountered no unexpected issues. I will post another update as soon as I have additional information to share.
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heres a look at you Monarch LOL

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Hey BFL  "Thanks for the FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE water coolant"  Cheesy Grin.... NOT!!!!!  Sad
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Heres BFL_Josh trusted feedback link. Please give them a Trusted feedback Smiley Wink

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bfljosh-63314

Also Here's Inaba trusted feedback link. Please give him a Trusted feedback as-well Smiley Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198
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