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Quote from: bible_pay on April 03, 2018, 07:56:42 AM

Hi Dave,

Oh OK now Im starting to understand the problem a little deeper. First of all since you have the utxooverride set in the primary controller wallet I think those are going out. Just type 'exec utxoreport cpid' and you will see the pattern. I dont believe there is a problem with gyrating amounts (as 2,000 people are using it now) I believe the gyrating amounts are being sent at intervals between your controller, your other wallets... The utxoreport will reveal that.

As far as running the latest, yes - if your miners are not running the latest they should technically be OK- but are probably trying to send podc updates using the old default of 50,000. So best advice there is to set 'utxoamount=-1' on the OLD mining wallets pre 1.1.1.6, or 'utxooverride=-1' on the new mining wallet (actualy just put both in the file), that should prevent it from being sent. Notice - you cant use '=0' because zero means it will try to send 50K.....

Once you interpret the utxoreport then lets go from there - it should reveal that your mining wallets are sending in a small stake, preventing you from being paid. Your Pool row is probably @ utxo below 5% meaning it drops to zero.

Hi Rob, thanks for the explanation; these commands were the ones I was looking for; I already assumed I could somehow prevent the other wallets from sending the updates.
I updated all wallets, put the lines into config and restarted those. I also removed the "utxooverride" line from my main controller wallet (windows, 1.1.1.7), restarted this and then wanted to freshly "podcupdate". Unfortunately now there is another strange problem:
exec podcupdate true gives me the following:

Code:

"Command": "podcupdate",
"PODCUpdate": "Unable to create PODC UTXO::Balance (0.00) less than target UTXO (785509.00)."

exec statebalance says "0". Huh

getbalance however gives the correct amount (500k).

Is there some method to "reset" the whole thing?

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Quote from: zthomasz on April 03, 2018, 10:44:47 AM

Since the UTXOWeight is set automatically, should I remove the uxtoamount=51000 in the biblepay.conf file?

Yes, try removing it, and just see if your 'exec utxoreport cpid' looks OK in about 8 hours

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zthomasz with 1117 version yes

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Since the UTXOWeight is set automatically, should I remove the uxtoamount=51000 in the biblepay.conf file?

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Quote from: bible_pay on April 03, 2018, 09:46:28 AM

Quote from: Lichtsucher on April 03, 2018, 09:09:20 AM

Quote from: bible_pay on April 03, 2018, 08:18:34 AM

But it would be a lot nicer for us if we had it honor Togos tweets, and Light and I just work on putting the "widget" on the web sites

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Sounds like a good Idea. We need one good please for news

Is there an existing embedding code for that?

Yes, but I think we have to be careful, as with some conservatives being silenced on twitter etc I think we have to ensure Togo likes the idea and embraces it and the correct platform, so lets ask Togo first then we can get together and solve the IT issue.

Togo, could you tell us what your platform of choice would be for high level biblepay news bulletins, is it twitter? And would you embrace pushing a tweet whenever a major headline occurs? If so Light and I will work on integrating a feed into the two pools?

Hehe, I typically post anything major on Twitter and Reddit
(there are definitely web widgets for Twitter and probably some for Reddit too)
and every Twitter tweet and Reddit post also gets sent as a message in Discord with use of Discord Bots

I didnt do an announcment per se about the UTXO Staking, but it was talked about on Reddit a few times, and talked about in this bitcointalk thread and in the biblepay forum a lot:

24 days ago by Luke
Please vote in proposed changes to Utxo stake amount
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/83a7sj/please_vote_in_proposed_changes_to_utxo_stake/

21 days ago by aikida3k
Vote on Staking based on Magnitude versus Staking based on Recent Average Credit
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/83z2zz/vote_on_staking_based_on_magnitude_versus_staking/

Its up to each person how involved they want to be, if you are involved you should at least be checking the BiblePay Forum every week
http://forum.biblepay.org/

And probably follow the project on Twitter and Reddit, or just join the Discord!
https://twitter.com/BiblePay
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/
https://discordapp.com/invite/yWgbKdM

Typically I post about mandatory upgrades (sometimes leisure upgrades but not always)

I was bad this month and didnt make a post about the monthly budget proposals,
and Im waiting to hear when CameroonONE uses their donation money
the only other news worthy thing as of late is probably World Community Grid as a backup project, but Im not sure if that is live yet?

MIP has the mobile wallet in development that is cool, his proposal has a TON of yes votes

Anyways digressing, the only other thing I could think of doing communication wise is collecting email addresses and doing a weekly newsletter.

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Quote from: slovakia on April 03, 2018, 08:42:49 AM

bible_pay WCG twice dumped our RAC points?

It isn't counted as a sum, but a user said it changed twice in one day...

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Quote from: thesnat21 on April 03, 2018, 09:49:54 AM

Quote from: jaapgvk on April 03, 2018, 09:11:45 AM

I just want to react to this bit, because it's also concerning me. I spoke up a few times when Rob reacted in a way that didn't accord with how I communicate with people myself, and I will continue to do that in the future if I feel that people seem oblivious as to why they get the reaction they get from Rob (getting called a fudder, and/or having their posts deleted).

I even had the idea to post a 'Rob guidelines' sticky on reddit. To show people how to post on bitcointalk in a way that wouldn't get their posts deleted. I think the biggest problem here is the diffused state of information. If you follow this forum closely, you know exactly what you can expect, but for newcomers it can be quite the challenge sometimes.

I see this project - and most of my life - mostly as a mirror through which reflection I have an opportunity to uncover more of myself. And I see Rob primarily as a fellow human in this endeavor. He has his blind spots just like the rest of us. And this might be reflection on my part, but that's just the way I see it. And if it's a blind spot, then please enlighten me Wink

I guess I just wanted to say that although Rob might come of harsh sometimes, I respect him. I've come to like him for who he is.

I spoke with rob in PM bout this, but overall here is how I see it. (not singling anyone out here).
Overall I do respect him and others here, and appreciate his contribution and vision for this project.

Harshness begets harshness...

I've not been the best example at this, and I know we are all only sinners at the end of the day.

With that said, people in a position of authority, be it leadership for the project, or church, they have a moral obligation to be "better" than the average folk.. Return harshness with compassion, Slander with kindness ...
We want to win people over not push them away.

People can and will get upset. The enemy seeks to devour and corrupt anything that is good. We need to be the light in the darkness, our response will help determine the outcome.

Simply put:
Lets try to keep this thread something we would be willing for the orphans to read.

How is that for rules? haha

I think this is an excellent view, and I really like your 'rule'. I'm going to implement it for myself Grin

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Quote from: Lichtsucher on April 03, 2018, 09:05:22 AM

Quote from: bible_pay on April 03, 2018, 08:07:15 AM

Because only one distinct CPID with payments and magnitude can actually solve a block, therefore rewarding one miner a disproportionate share would be unfair for everyone else. If anyone could always solve a block it would be fair to let the floodgates swing wide open, but think about what is happening in this scenario:

User 1 has 100 machines - And pulls 90% of the block reward
User 2-11 have 1 machine each - and pull 1% of block reward each

Now in reality over 100 blocks, user 1 is only allowed to solve up to 13 of those blocks Max (because of the distinction rules), so he pulled in 9% of the reward yet we paid him 90%? LOL, not a good idea....

Hi Rob,

could you explain this part in more detail? I'm not sure if I understand it fully.
This part confuses me: "User 1 is only allowed to solve up to 13 of those blocks Max (because of the distinction rules)"
What would stop the user from solving more blocks (if he have a valid CPID with a magnitude)? Or is this a special rule of the main pool?

Sure!

So since we require a User (who has multiple machines) to have One cpid who has been Paid in a prior superblock, that means one pool user who has 100 mining machines has copied wallet.dat 100 times, and all wallets share one cpid.

However as mining round starts, the only cpid who can actually solve the block is one who has not solved a block in the last 5 blocks, who has a signed cpid, who has been paid in a superblock (with magnitude existing), so that means your power user is in effect stealing hash power from all the small dogs, if you let him (IE if you award him shares for everything he does) while he is really using a copied CPID over 100 machines.

Please see this function : HasThisCPIDSolvedPriorBlocks

That is the main contention point - if big dog A had solved any of the prior 5 then his hash contribution for the next 4 blocks is really worthless to the group, so hes then "taking" from the little dogs for a while.

So yeah lets talk about this in the PM and figure out how we can modify our service to reward each share based on an RPC check grounded in current conditions etc.

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Quote from: jaapgvk on April 03, 2018, 09:11:45 AM

I just want to react to this bit, because it's also concerning me. I spoke up a few times when Rob reacted in a way that didn't accord with how I communicate with people myself, and I will continue to do that in the future if I feel that people seem oblivious as to why they get the reaction they get from Rob (getting called a fudder, and/or having their posts deleted).

I even had the idea to post a 'Rob guidelines' sticky on reddit. To show people how to post on bitcointalk in a way that wouldn't get their posts deleted. I think the biggest problem here is the diffused state of information. If you follow this forum closely, you know exactly what you can expect, but for newcomers it can be quite the challenge sometimes.

I see this project - and most of my life - mostly as a mirror through which reflection I have an opportunity to uncover more of myself. And I see Rob primarily as a fellow human in this endeavor. He has his blind spots just like the rest of us. And this might be reflection on my part, but that's just the way I see it. And if it's a blind spot, then please enlighten me Wink

I guess I just wanted to say that although Rob might come of harsh sometimes, I respect him. I've come to like him for who he is.

I spoke with rob in PM bout this, but overall here is how I see it. (not singling anyone out here).
Overall I do respect him and others here, and appreciate his contribution and vision for this project.

Harshness begets harshness...

I've not been the best example at this, and I know we are all only sinners at the end of the day.

With that said, people in a position of authority, be it leadership for the project, or church, they have a moral obligation to be "better" than the average folk.. Return harshness with compassion, Slander with kindness ...
We want to win people over not push them away.

People can and will get upset. The enemy seeks to devour and corrupt anything that is good. We need to be the light in the darkness, our response will help determine the outcome.

Simply put:
Lets try to keep this thread something we would be willing for the orphans to read.

How is that for rules? haha

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Quote from: bible_pay on April 03, 2018, 09:40:08 AM

Bhavani, Developer #4 (We have 4 devs total working on projects) has completed his first mission and I gave him his first task, he is going to look into creating a Wysiwig editor in biblepay-qt to allow a user to write an orphan a letter. We are taking this in baby steps, his first step is to allow a letter to be written and make it formattable (IE bold, fonts, centering) and then later we are going to take a look at making a letter list in grid format in the wallet. If this works out Ill work with him on storing letters in-chain. (Were also evaluating the ability to upvote and downvote the letter by CPID signature).

Just a quick question on the letters themselves - it appears (although I could be totally wrong) that the letter voting in the main pool is being largely ignored. I've seen what looks like a small batch of letters all get upvoted to the threshold at the same time (no idea if that's legit, or bad actors, or what - not making any judgment calls there), but apart from those, a good chunk are still setting at fewer than half of the votes required for funding/sending (and that's counting both upvotes + downvotes). Any thoughts on how we might better drive people to action there? As someone who sponsors a child through Compassion outside of BiblePay as well, I can say that the letters are SUPER important to them, and I'd love to see this gain some better momentum.

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Quote from: Lichtsucher on April 03, 2018, 09:09:20 AM

Quote from: bible_pay on April 03, 2018, 08:18:34 AM

But it would be a lot nicer for us if we had it honor Togos tweets, and Light and I just work on putting the "widget" on the web sites

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Sounds like a good Idea. We need one good please for news

Is there an existing embedding code for that?

Yes, but I think we have to be careful, as with some conservatives being silenced on twitter etc I think we have to ensure Togo likes the idea and embraces it and the correct platform, so lets ask Togo first then we can get together and solve the IT issue.

Togo, could you tell us what your platform of choice would be for high level biblepay news bulletins, is it twitter? And would you embrace pushing a tweet whenever a major headline occurs? If so Light and I will work on integrating a feed into the two pools?

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Bhavani, Developer #4 (We have 4 devs total working on projects) has completed his first mission and I gave him his first task, he is going to look into creating a Wysiwig editor in biblepay-qt to allow a user to write an orphan a letter. We are taking this in baby steps, his first step is to allow a letter to be written and make it formattable (IE bold, fonts, centering) and then later we are going to take a look at making a letter list in grid format in the wallet. If this works out Ill work with him on storing letters in-chain. (Were also evaluating the ability to upvote and downvote the letter by CPID signature).

I'm shooting for knowing when a CPID creates a letter, and letter approval metrics by CPID. Then in the future we may be able to add LetterWeight for part of POW mining and/or part of cancer mining (thats up in the air). The primary goal being that each CPID writes one nice
(upvoted) letter per 60 day period to an orphan to maintain 100% letterweight - or maybe letterweight is affected by upvote %.

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Quote from: tmike on April 02, 2018, 12:19:09 PM

Well, this is mainly because of you and I'm also sorry it has become this way. I think everyone here wants the project to succeed but the way your treating people is not how Jesus taught us to be. Some have spoken up and some have kept silent but everyone who has been following this forum knows how it is.

I just want to react to this bit, because it's also concerning me. I spoke up a few times when Rob reacted in a way that didn't accord with how I communicate with people myself, and I will continue to do that in the future if I feel that people seem oblivious as to why they get the reaction they get from Rob (getting called a fudder, and/or having their posts deleted).

I even had the idea to post a 'Rob guidelines' sticky on reddit. To show people how to post on bitcointalk in a way that wouldn't get their posts deleted. I think the biggest problem here is the diffused state of information. If you follow this forum closely, you know exactly what you can expect, but for newcomers it can be quite the challenge sometimes.

I see this project - and most of my life - mostly as a mirror through which reflection I have an opportunity to uncover more of myself. And I see Rob primarily as a fellow human in this endeavor. He has his blind spots just like the rest of us. And this might be reflection on my part, but that's just the way I see it. And if it's a blind spot, then please enlighten me Wink

I guess I just wanted to say that although Rob might come of harsh sometimes, I respect him. I've come to like him for who he is.

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Quote from: bible_pay on April 03, 2018, 08:18:34 AM

But it would be a lot nicer for us if we had it honor Togos tweets, and Light and I just work on putting the "widget" on the web sites

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Sounds like a good Idea. We need one good please for news

Is there an existing embedding code for that?

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Quote from: bible_pay on April 03, 2018, 08:07:15 AM

Because only one distinct CPID with payments and magnitude can actually solve a block, therefore rewarding one miner a disproportionate share would be unfair for everyone else. If anyone could always solve a block it would be fair to let the floodgates swing wide open, but think about what is happening in this scenario:

User 1 has 100 machines - And pulls 90% of the block reward
User 2-11 have 1 machine each - and pull 1% of block reward each

Now in reality over 100 blocks, user 1 is only allowed to solve up to 13 of those blocks Max (because of the distinction rules), so he pulled in 9% of the reward yet we paid him 90%? LOL, not a good idea....

Hi Rob,

could you explain this part in more detail? I'm not sure if I understand it fully.
This part confuses me: "User 1 is only allowed to solve up to 13 of those blocks Max (because of the distinction rules)"
What would stop the user from solving more blocks (if he have a valid CPID with a magnitude)? Or is this a special rule of the main pool?

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bible_pay WCG twice dumped our RAC points?

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Quote from: vahtis on April 03, 2018, 03:03:39 AM

Is there way to mute notifications?
Running wallet 24/7 and you get notification sound for every transaction for every PODC update and PrivateSend denominiation.

Which OS is this, and do you want the taskbar notifications stopped or just the sound muted but leave taskbar notifications?

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Quote from: coin_analyst on April 03, 2018, 02:53:28 AM

Quote from: dave_bbp on April 03, 2018, 01:53:40 AM

Quote from: bible_pay on April 02, 2018, 05:19:44 PM

Quote from: dave_bbp on April 02, 2018, 01:42:44 PM

Quote from: capulo on April 02, 2018, 01:09:16 PM

rob, last payout was not as you wrote, that if somebody stake 20% then he get 20%
check this: https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1987688/
he had 20% and got 40%
i still think it is as i wrote, that user will have 20% shares, and block reward will be divided by sum of all shares, so payout for one share will not be 20% but more (depends on how many users staking 100%)

Yes, I also received only a little payout and the explorer says I staked 50k, although I had (already since yesterday) almost 500k staked and several podcupdates going through.
However I think this is correct, since the payout for the next superblock is decided at the moment of the last one, i. e. approx. 24h before. Tomorrow's payout should be as expected. Wink

Dave-

The easy way to see this is to look @ the pool superblock view report, and highlight your row yellow, scroll to the top and memorize where the utxo/utxo weight columns are, scroll back down and check your UTXO/UTXOWeight values - see if your magnitude reflects your utxo stake level.

I checked over 10 last night and they look on the money....

Hmm... I don't think this is correct, because right now it shows a utxoweight of 0 with a utxoamount of 1.7k for me, which is absolutely ridiculous and I have no idea where these numbers come from. My controller wallet holds 500k (and some change) and I manually added "utxooverride=500000" (wallet version 1.1.1.7).
I tried "exec podcupdate true" several times, but my reported utxoweight (in getboincinfo) changes constantly (sometimes it's correct, sometimes it's the old 50001, often it seems to be a completely random number). Something is seriously wrong there.

My only explanation would be that I also have this wallet running on my ARMs for pool mining. Since lichtsucher hasn't updated the linux ppa yet, they still run on 1.1.1.3. Could this be the problem? Otherwise I wouldn't know what else I could do...
Missed out on 2 payments already and apparently gave my coins away to the "big guys", it's a shame. :/

I got same problem here(wallet version 1.1.1.7), I don't know why the utxoweight is mismatch with my setting utxooverride=YYYYY in config.

For example:
I set utxooverride=100000 in config file, but utxoweight show 1234 while not a vaule of 100000 , so I need manual to update (exec podcupdate true) , then the result is normal after that.
Unfortunately, when the podc automatically update again, the utxoweight will mismatch again, this is a fault loop.

I think that this problem is caused by too frequent automatic updates, can it be changed to every 12 hours or per day?

Do you have just one controller wallet or do you also have multiple heat miners like Dave? Try setting utxooverride=-1 on all wallets other than the controller wallet first. Let me know if that works and also if you still need to control the podcupdate interval (I assume if podc updates drop to controller only, 4 times per day is OK still).

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Quote from: znjrols5 on April 03, 2018, 05:59:01 AM

I'm pretty sure that my WCGRAC is wrong in biblepay network... Yesterday at some point, 'exec totalrac' showed around 12k RAC, and later that day around 9k RAC. Through 'exec getboincinfo' I saw that my RAH RAC was the same (it should have been), and my WCG RAC jumped. After that it dropped, but I am constantly working on WCG (since it was added to biblepay), so it should only go up monotonically the first two weeks (since RAC is two week average, afaik). I didn't experience these problems with RAH, before WCG was implemented in biblepay network.
So, at the moment of writing, my WCG RAC reported through getboincinfo is 2972, but my BOINC shows around 7.5k. I know it should have some latency, show a bit lower than 7.5k, but my WCG RAC on BOINC was around 3k two days ago. My cpid is 307c54df37dd7a158ef9fd7dfe1a1815

So since we are integrated a little closer with RAH, I have the core wallet showing you the "current live" RAH RAC when you type exec getboincinfo using their XML call (just for cosmetic use for the user - the Sanc actually gets the RAH RAC from the nightly back-end files to allow them to come to consensus easier, thats why your RAH rac on getboincinfo is more current than the superblock view report), but anyway, WCG is a little different- when they merged with IBM, they removed some of the boinc XML calls - so we cant get the WCG RAC the same way, so we actually use the nightly WCG dump files for their RAC. Their RAC is exported to our network once per night at 00:00:00 UTC. So it pretty much stays static for 24 hours at a time. What I surmise is someone dumped the rac twice yesterday at WCG but normally that doesnt happen so you probably picked up two views of it, which I believe will be rare over long term.

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Quote from: thesnat21 on April 03, 2018, 08:12:08 AM

Quote from: jaapgvk on April 03, 2018, 07:53:21 AM

I was the one that gave the 30 dollar figure. I was looking at my own computers (which are AMD Phenom II's and A8's), and they give me about 2000 RAC. It's indeed 120 dollars. Higher than I thought. Don't know how I got the 30 dollar figure. In an ideal world, I would like 3 things:
1. No botnets
2. Fair entrance for new users.
3. Making it expensive for power-users to participate.

The first one is covered now. Maybe it's a bit too expensive right now for new users with a lot of computing-power right now, but that doesn't mean this can't change in the future. The third one certainly is true for new power-users, but existing power-users that believe in Biblepay (I consider myself a moderately big user) that have been in the game for a long time have an advantage because they have more BBP. They have that much BBP because they didn't sell, because they have a long-term view for the coin. I think that whales aren't a bad thing per se if they believe in the project.

The thing I really like about Biblepay in it's current form, is that it is actually transparent who are the mining whales. I believe this is fairly unique. You really know what you are investing in.

This isn't really in reply to you thesnat21, I'm just rambling a bit at this point.

Just two more things:

1. The 20BBP/RAC was democratically decided. Maybe some users didn't realize the power of their vote, but I think now most have realized that voting matters. As far as I know, the staking requirements can be adjusted every mandatory, no nothing is stopping us to have another vote in two months and take in all the information and opinions we have gathered in that time, and come to another consensus (hopefully with a lot more people involved). Maybe we should have a public vote, maybe a sanctuary vote. There is a lot to consider here.

2. Heat mining doesn't really require staking. You need a functioning CPID for every wallet that you are mining with. But I think that nothing is stopping people from sharing the wallet.dat between multiple wallets. And also, you could use one PC, set one cpu-thread to mine Rosetta and set the rest to heat-mine. That way you don't really have to stake and can still earn BBP via heat-mining.
That maybe isn't really how Biblepay is intended, but nothing is stopping users from walking that path.

For the record I have been mining/holding all my BBP since day 1, missing out on a PODC payment and being slow to realize the switch over affected me a bit, but I don't think it would have been a huge change to my figures above.. (maybe 2-5kbbp)

I agree the goal set was met, and I welcome a re-vote farther down the line after some real-world examples. Things don't always work as planned and its hard to predict the exact outcome of a change like this.

I don't expect change today, just throwing out my thoughts for when it comes back around

As for the additional points,
#1. People like myself that were not paying close attention to the forum could have missed the call to vote. This just speaks to a need for a more central communications hub for news. It is easy to lose sight of things in a thread like this, even if it is on multiple pages. When I started I didn't read from page 1, and I doubt anyone else would.

#2. It would be helpful to outline the process to do this. Especially for new folks joining if they try to start with PODC only it will be very frustrating. It could streamline the process for people to start if this is more clearly documented, or people could easily be referred to it.

Excellent points, thanks. Maybe Togo, Light, and I should get together and see what it takes to make an XML feed of news items, then we could put a news ticker on biblepay-central and in the pool.biblepay.org.

But it would be a lot nicer for us if we had it honor Togos tweets, and Light and I just work on putting the "widget" on the web sites

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