They believe in Jesus as a holy prophet, they just don't accept Him as the Son of God. They don't believe He died on the cross for our sins, instead they believe He was taken up to Heaven like Elijah. They don't believe God can have any sons or daughters and that would be the crime of shirk. But they would agree with the mandate of biblepay:
Surah 2:277
Those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and establish regular prayers and regular charity, will have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
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http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/201609/what-do-muslims-think-jesus-30772“Who do people say that I am?” Jesus asked his disciples. Their answers—from John the Baptist to Elijah or one of the prophets—reveal how his followers understood his life and mission. Today, asking Muslim communities around the world the same question—who do you think that Christ is?—is equally revealing.
The Quran mentions Jesus, or Isa, 25 times, but differently each time. The Quran explains that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (19:20–21) and is “high honored in this and the next world” (3:45–47). Thus, he is called Isa ibn Maryam, or Jesus son of Mary. The Quran also refers to him as ruh min Allah (“Spirit from God”), mushia bi’l baraka (“the Messiah—someone blessed by God”), kalimah min Allah (“Word from/of God”), and rasul (Prophet-Messenger) of God.
Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet who was given a special message—injil, or the gospel—to convey to all people. This message both confirmed what was taught in the Torah and foretold the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Thus, Jesus has a vital and unique role to play in the Muslim faith.
However, while Muslims accept that Jesus was a servant, teacher, and lover of God’s Word, they do not believe that he was divine or the son of God. The Quran describes the miracles Jesus performed, such as healing the sick and raising the dead, but does not ascribe these miracles to his divinity. Instead, Jesus is a sign to all humankind of God’s endless mercy.
Muslims do not believe in original sin. They see no need for a savior and, moreover, do not believe in Jesus’ crucifixion. The Quran states that Jesus was assumed into heaven (3:169) before his actual death. Islamic tradition explains that Jesus was spared death because he was God’s holy one. Muslims believe Jesus’ enemies could not triumph over him because he is God’s chosen servant.
Like Christians, Muslims believe that Jesus will return. Islamic texts say that Jesus will come back on the Day of Judgment, when he will destroy the ad-dajjal—anti-Christ or imposter.
Throughout history and today many Islamic thinkers have used Jesus as an important religious model. Eleventh- and 12th-century scholar Abu Hamid al-Ghazali encouraged Muslims to pray as Jesus prayed. Thirteenth-century philosopher Ibn ‘Arabi called Jesus wilaya (“seal of the friend of God”) because he possessed the highest knowledge of and intimacy with God. Mahmoud Ayoub, a modern Islamic theologian, has developed an Islamic Christology that explores how Jesus exemplifies the fulfillment of humanity by being fully illuminated by God’s light (tajalli).
Of course Islamic thought on Jesus differs from Christian teachings. But we also share many common beliefs: the virgin birth of Jesus to Mary, profound respect for the mystery of God, love for Jesus, and a willingness to learn from his life as we seek happiness with God. Perhaps here is an opening for a productive conversation between our faiths.
Peace be with you, adoron4ik1980. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Its a pleasure to have you here. I love the synopsis above, it is a great reference and succinct. It is exactly what I learned about the Qurans and Quranic view on Jesus.
I respect that this conversation could be very constructive, or a powder Keg (similar to the Middle East) situation. Let us try to embrace this and create something positive.
First, let me say the most abrasive Christian comments. Remember, this part is just my personal view. Where the Islamic faith veers away from the Christian faith, I feel the Quran itself contains enough truth to deceive one new believer that is the authentic word from the most high God, yet captures the soul into worshiping the wrong God, one that may actually be burning. From the Christian perspective we have John the Revelator writing Revelations in 64AD, with Jesus sealing the text "And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy" with a grave warning. If God ended the KJV bible that way in 64AD, why would Gabriel need to dictate a new Quran to Muhamed in 610 AD? I also want to bring up 1 John 4, his command to Test the Spirits. The test is that if anyone in the spirit realm denies that Jesus came in the flesh (as the son of God), then that person is of the Antichrist, however anyone who believes Jesus came in the flesh, as the son, and was Crucified, dead buried and resurrected, then they are of the Holy Spirit. So yes, analyzing the Quran, it seems to me the entire religion was designed as a perfect tool, to be created by the enemy, to lead a person through deceit, to sign the keys of their soul, or their allegience over to Satan, the father of lies. The narrative in the book straightens the way for the Antichrists identity to be confused with the 2nd coming at Armageddon. I think the role the Mahdi plays in Quranic eschatology confuses the masses into keeping their eyes off of Jesus at that required time of great deception - so as to not be "ready" spiritually when you need your entire wits end to stave off the grand deception (as when the great trib starts, those left behind will be under such a deception that even the very elect would be deceived if those days not shortened, taken another way: if you dont have your breastplate of His Word on you, you too will fall for it). So from the Christian perspective, I view the Quran as an unnecessary book, if the Bible is indeed the complete reference for man (and John sealed it 700 years earlier that way). The other hurdle we have to deal with is if the Islamic faith is a religion of violence/war. There are tons of references to things that allude to "if you are not with us you are against us" therefore we will hurt or kill you, while Christianity says : Love covers a multitude of sins, if slapped turn the other cheek, pray for your enemies. Another words, my view is the Islamic faith indoctrinates early subtle hints of violence from a young age, to desensitize one into religious violence. (IE the mustard seed in Islam grows to a sword, while the mustard seed in Christianity grows to love for your neighbor).
I must move on. What can we do to work together? Well, for one I think it would be a good exercise to come up with a quantifiable "program" that tests the various top 5 faiths using various methods, such as the way the justice system uses witnesses and juries. If we have at our disposal, a cross section of 1300 BiblePay users, we could for example gain some insight into questions like: Who had an NDE and saw Jesus or Muhammed, and did he save you? Just as the prophets of Baal could not light the fire, yet Yahweh not only burned the log, but the boulders, the dirt and all the water around it too, was Muhammed able to come through as the Most High? Could we have a distinct count of links to testimonies in Pakistan and Indonesia with testimonies where Allah healed them and a similar count where Jesus healed them? If we had some technical indicators, this would lead one to believe that maybe they are worshiping the wrong God. It may not be apparent to everyone, but Ill assert it here: Worshiping the most high God of the wrong bible, is equivalent to worshiping the beast. Another words, one is in hell and one is in heaven. Either Allah or Yahweh is the most high, they are not the same Gods.
Its extremely interesting
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Rob, I wanted to get back to this post. First, I am glad to be a part of this community; thank you for your welcome. It is my understanding that your reference to Revelations 22:18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
applies to the Book of Revelation. I don't think the Catholic Bible is wrong for including the Book of Wisdom and Maccabees. Nevertheless, I agree with your question, 'Why would Gabriel need to dictate the Quran?' The Bible certainly seems sufficient. Yet I do believe there is scripture that foreshadowed the coming of Islam.
It is interesting that in Matthew 3:9 and Luke 3:8
And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
that Abraham is sited as the root instead of Jacob. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to know the God of Abraham. The imagery of stones brings to mind Palestinians hurling stones.
Also, Islam directly claims Ishmael, the first son of Abraham. They believe that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, the first mosque and the holiest site in Islam in Mecca. It was said as a blessing (and prophecy) by the angel of the Lord to Hagar:
“Behold, you are pregnant and shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, because the LORD has listened to your affliction. He shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”
which relates well to the attitudes of Muslims in the Middle East. Their warring attitudes are fulfilled through 'his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against him'. So Ishmael is blessed to be fruitful with numerous descendants and a wild donkey of a man (that gives rise to a wild donkey of a people whose hand is against everyone and everyone's hand is against, living in hostility- like Muslims).
Another interesting observation is that before Isaac was born, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. Before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, Abraham makes a covenant with God for circumcision, so Ishmael, born to an Egyptian slave is circumcised and Isaac is promised. Abraham's nephew Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt at the destruction of Sodom. I believe there is significance that she was turned into salt and not dust. We know through Jesus that we are told to be salt. Salt of the world makes the world habitable and its existence tolerable to God. God certainly could have woven into the lives of Hagar and Ishmael to end up in Sodom and be destroyed but He did not. So it is evident that these people (people of Abraham) were (and possibly are) salt of the world, as Ishmael was not destroyed. So I believe that Islam, as shown through history is a different kind of salt, a salt more like salt as a last resort as seen through history. After the Roman empire when increase in knowledge passed away from Europe to the Islam world where it was kept after the Romans and Greeks developed it, the nation of Islam kept the accumulated knowledge from this time together while the rest of Europe fell into the dark ages. It is my belief that their devotion to the first and second commandments, There is no other god besides God and have no idols and belief in Judgement Day is what possibly keeps them as a different salt albeit not a salt that is ultimately saved. Jesus is the way, the truth and life. No one comes to the Father except through Him.
Already God is rewarding the nation of Islam with higher birthrates than the rest of the world. Abortion is illegal in Islam. It is only a matter of demographics that the world will become increasingly Islamic. Taken as a whole, the nation of Islam has a population equivalent equal to or greater than China and and is growing at a much, much faster birthrate and with a similar GDP.
The angels heard Hagar when Hagar ran away from Sarah the first time and blessed Ishmael with being wild, hostile and fruitful; then when Abraham asked God that Ishmael also recieve the blessing given to Isaac, it was reiterated that Abraham was heard and that Ismael's numbers will be increased and will be made into a great nation. Although, the covenant and blessing was given to Isaac. And finally, God heard Ishmael crying after Isaac was born and Sarah sent Hagar away, after what else, but Ishmael mocking. And then it was again reiterated that the descendants of Ishmael will be made into a great nation, and God opened Hagar's eyes to a well of water to sustain them.
Another interesting link is the story of the downfall of Satan. In the Quran, Iblis is Satan in the form of what they call a Jinn. Iblis was thrown out of Paradise because he refused to bow to Adam. "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom you created from... clay..." The same story is also found in earlier apocryphal works from Jews and Christians.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Parallelism:_Satan_and_His_Refusal_to_ProstrateSo he would not bow before Adam, made in the Image of God, and the revenge of Satan is in Revelations, getting man to worship the Dragon's creation- the Image of the Beast.
The Quran to me reads like a spiritual battle taking place. Some parts have some truth, then abruptly something false is introduced. If it was Gabriel dictating the Quran to Muhammad, it is like Gabriel is dictating for a time and then shoved out of the way when Satan or a demon intercedes, but Muhammad could not tell the difference.
Finally Surah 55 in the Quran reads like it is a prophetic response to a disciple in the future:
In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful. The Compassionate. Has taught the Quran. He created man. And taught him clear expression. The sun and the moon move according to plan. And the stars and the trees prostrate themselves. And the sky, He raised; and He set up the balance. So do not transgress in the balance. But maintain the weights with justice, and do not violate the balance. And the earth; He set up for the creatures. In it are fruits, and palms in clusters. And grains in the blades, and fragrant plants. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? He created man from hard clay, like bricks. And created the jinn from a fusion of fire. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Lord of the two Risings and Lord of the two Settings. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? He merged the two seas, converging together. Between them is a barrier, which they do not overrun. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? From them emerge pearls and coral. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? His are the ships, raised above the sea like landmarks. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Everyone upon it is perishing. But will remain the Presence of your Lord, Full of Majesty and Splendor. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Everyone in the heavens and the earth asks Him. Every day He is managing. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? We will attend to you, O prominent two. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? O society of jinn and humans! If you can pass through the bounds of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and pass. But you will not pass except with authorization. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? You will be bombarded with flares of fire and brass, and you will not succeed. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? When the sky splits apart, and becomes rose, like paint. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? On that Day, no human and no jinn will be asked about his sins. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? The guilty will be recognized by their marks; they will be taken by the forelocks and the feet. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? This is Hell that the guilty denied. They circulate between it and between a seething bath. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? But for him who feared the standing of his Lord are two gardens. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Full of varieties. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? In them are two flowing springs. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? In them are fruits of every kind, in pairs. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Reclining on furnishings lined with brocade, and the fruits of the two gardens are near at hand. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? In them are maidens restraining their glances, untouched before by any man or jinn. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? As though they were rubies and corals. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Is the reward of goodness anything but goodness? So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? And beneath them are two gardens. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Deep green. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? In them are two gushing springs. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? In them are fruits, and date-palms, and pomegranates. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? In them are good and beautiful ones. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Companions, secluded in the tents. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Whom no human has touched before, nor jinn. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Reclining on green cushions, and exquisite carpets. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny? Blessed be the name of your Lord, Full of Majesty and Splendor.
Their belief that God does not have a Christ, the Son of God will be denied. And I believe it will require a disciple able to do miracles in order to get them to pay attention, not threaten to kill the disciple and start to question like in this Surah.
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(last days added almost 150miners and next days i could to add next 50miners hehe)
