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legendary
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And yes, I believe the top .1% (or possibly more) should be paying 70% income tax.

Yeah.. that is the ultimate dream of every left supporter. Successful people should be punished and their wealth should be confiscated (obviously with the exception of left-leaning billionaires such as Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg, who are allowed to evade taxes using various loopholes). A few years back, François Hollande came up with the idea of taxing the rich at a rate of 75%. And everyone knows what happened after that. Anyway, best of luck with your 70% tax proposal.
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Those numbers are always talking about as household income, if you thought otherwise that's on you for not understanding since that's the common way taxes are always talked about.  Biden always said households making more than $400,000.

For someone who earns $400,000 per year, the applicable state income tax in California comes to 11.3%. With the latest increase in federal income tax, California residents will be paying more than 50% of their income as tax and the net take away will be less than $200,000. And for cities such as Los Angeles and San Francisco, given the high cost of living, the tax increase will have a large negative impact on the quality of life.

After WWII, the top marginal tax rate was 90% in the US and it was still in the 70% range by the 1960s.  Nobody making $400,000 a year is hurting terribly because of taxes, and their wealth is only possible in the first place thanks to the economy built by the US-style of government.  One thing remains undeniable- as long as the US runs a deficit, nobody is paying enough in taxes.

US us running a deficit because of the incompetence of the government. So giving this excuse, you want to go back to the 1960s and impose a 70% tax on everyone? If the budget deficit is there, then the solution is to reduce government expenses and not to increase the tax rates further when they are already in the 50%-60% range (I am talking about states such as California). Anyway I am not an American and I don't really care how much they raise the taxes. If the taxes are raised to 70%, then they very much deserve it because they voted someone in to power who said before elections that he is going to raise taxes.

Do you know what a top marginal tax rate is? Because a top marginal tax rate of 70% does not mean "everyone pays 70% taxes." Your response seems to ignore how progressive tax structures work in that as tax brackets increase they affect fewer and fewer people and it ignores the fact that not all income is taxed at 70% for people who fall into that bracket.  Someone who falls into the 70% tax bracket wouldn't have their first tens of millions taxed at 70%, only income past a certain threshold.  

And yes, I believe the top .1% (or possibly more) should be paying 70% income tax.
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The difference between USA and in all other nations is that if you do not have a branch of government like IRS trying to catch every single tax evasion and charge insane punishments for it to deter people away from doing that. India may or may not have that, but I know almost all huge European nations do not have that.

On top of it, this is a thing that impacts very wealthy, they will have to pay a lot more taxes now that Biden puts this in charge (when) and that means IRS needs more money because the more money you give to IRS the more money they find and give back to community, so giving money to IRS is not a bad idea

Right now IRS is underfunded and needs more money, they may not find everyone and they may not end up stopping some rich people, but if they could actually get funded, and given more powers, they could stop everyone from tax evasion, from the small grocery store right around the corner to amazon, everyone.

Tax avoidance using various loopholes may be possible in the US, but tax evasion is very unlikely due to the above mentioned facts. In India, the income tax department is now mostly going after the big fish, so they may ignore the small-scale tax evaders even if they have enough data to prosecute them. Tax-related law suits can go on for many decades, due to the slowness of the legal system in India. In most cases, the tax authorities try to reach a compromise with the evaders. Only in 10-15% cases, they actually go ahead with the legal action.
legendary
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Still it is 14%. In my country (India) it is estimated that the actual amount of income tax owed is more than 2 times the annual collection, meaning an evasion rate of more than 50%. And I am sure that this is the case with most of the developed nations. The tax rates are kept extremely high (43% for the top slab), and government has made gambling, crypto trading.etc as illegal. And there is a stupid loophole to make agricultural income tax free. A lot of people use this loophole to avoid paying taxes on their income from other sources (they just show it as agricultural income).
The difference between USA and in all other nations is that if you do not have a branch of government like IRS trying to catch every single tax evasion and charge insane punishments for it to deter people away from doing that. India may or may not have that, but I know almost all huge European nations do not have that.

On top of it, this is a thing that impacts very wealthy, they will have to pay a lot more taxes now that Biden puts this in charge (when) and that means IRS needs more money because the more money you give to IRS the more money they find and give back to community, so giving money to IRS is not a bad idea

Right now IRS is underfunded and needs more money, they may not find everyone and they may not end up stopping some rich people, but if they could actually get funded, and given more powers, they could stop everyone from tax evasion, from the small grocery store right around the corner to amazon, everyone.
legendary
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His favor with the voters are going to take a knock, because Tax increases are never taken well. The thing is, the proposals are targeting the rich people and they are the people who are creating the jobs for the middle class.

The fairest tax implementation would be a value-added tax (VAT) ....because it spreads the burden on all citizens and not only on the middle class and the rich people. (I think this only applies to some states?)
legendary
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Those numbers are always talking about as household income, if you thought otherwise that's on you for not understanding since that's the common way taxes are always talked about.  Biden always said households making more than $400,000.

For someone who earns $400,000 per year, the applicable state income tax in California comes to 11.3%. With the latest increase in federal income tax, California residents will be paying more than 50% of their income as tax and the net take away will be less than $200,000. And for cities such as Los Angeles and San Francisco, given the high cost of living, the tax increase will have a large negative impact on the quality of life.

After WWII, the top marginal tax rate was 90% in the US and it was still in the 70% range by the 1960s.  Nobody making $400,000 a year is hurting terribly because of taxes, and their wealth is only possible in the first place thanks to the economy built by the US-style of government.  One thing remains undeniable- as long as the US runs a deficit, nobody is paying enough in taxes.

US us running a deficit because of the incompetence of the government. So giving this excuse, you want to go back to the 1960s and impose a 70% tax on everyone? If the budget deficit is there, then the solution is to reduce government expenses and not to increase the tax rates further when they are already in the 50%-60% range (I am talking about states such as California). Anyway I am not an American and I don't really care how much they raise the taxes. If the taxes are raised to 70%, then they very much deserve it because they voted someone in to power who said before elections that he is going to raise taxes.
sr. member
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I think the steps taken by Biden were right by raising taxes, especially for the rich and large corporations it is obligatory to pay higher taxes.
The problem is that the economic crisis in America is getting worse and the government has done a lot of printing money. The most effective
way to get income is to raise taxes, from there the government can get income that can be used for the interests of the American state. I know it
will definitely have a negative effect, but if this step is able to provide a bigger positive effect why not do it. The problem is that the rich and big
companies often manipulate the profits they generate, this is what makes American tax revenues not optimal. Hopefully, Biden's steps will be
supported by most of the American people, because they themselves have chosen Biden as president. So they have to trust all the decisions that
Biden makes, and let Biden do his job well.
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Those numbers are always talking about as household income, if you thought otherwise that's on you for not understanding since that's the common way taxes are always talked about.  Biden always said households making more than $400,000.

For someone who earns $400,000 per year, the applicable state income tax in California comes to 11.3%. With the latest increase in federal income tax, California residents will be paying more than 50% of their income as tax and the net take away will be less than $200,000. And for cities such as Los Angeles and San Francisco, given the high cost of living, the tax increase will have a large negative impact on the quality of life.

After WWII, the top marginal tax rate was 90% in the US and it was still in the 70% range by the 1960s.  Nobody making $400,000 a year is hurting terribly because of taxes, and their wealth is only possible in the first place thanks to the economy built by the US-style of government.  One thing remains undeniable- as long as the US runs a deficit, nobody is paying enough in taxes.
legendary
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But what governments seem to forget is that by taxing the population so harshly then the desire of people to keep earning more money decreases significantly, think about it, with an effective tax rate of 50% this means that on real terms you work for the government for free for 6 months and you only receive profits from the next 6 months you work, this is ridiculous, this decreases productivity and over the long term this will be seen in the GDP of the country.

I don't know whether people will be less productive when the tax rates are increased. In other countries, tax evasion increases when something like this happen. But since the IRS is very strict in the United States, the chances of tax evasion are very small. One direct impact may be on capital gains. People may postpone or delay realizing their capital gains. Eventually they need to pay the capital gains tax, but with lower taxes they will be selling their capital assets more frequently.
It does not happen on the short term but it does on the long term, I will give you common example of what happened under communism, imagine a factory and workers with different levels of skill, everyone was paid the same but if you were one of the most productive employees then you were given more responsibilities and a higher quota but no higher pay, this meant that you had to do more for the same pay, eventually this generated a system that incentivizes those that were the most productive to not produce to their full capacity, and something similar will happen over the long term with such high taxes as people are not incentivized to work harder as most of the fruits of their labour go to the government.
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I don't know whether people will be less productive when the tax rates are increased. In other countries, tax evasion increases when something like this happen. But since the IRS is very strict in the United States, the chances of tax evasion are very small.

IRS claims they are losing 1$ for every 6$ they collect in tax evasion. Not avoidance, evasion!

Still it is 14%. In my country (India) it is estimated that the actual amount of income tax owed is more than 2 times the annual collection, meaning an evasion rate of more than 50%. And I am sure that this is the case with most of the developed nations. The tax rates are kept extremely high (43% for the top slab), and government has made gambling, crypto trading.etc as illegal. And there is a stupid loophole to make agricultural income tax free. A lot of people use this loophole to avoid paying taxes on their income from other sources (they just show it as agricultural income).
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Are you surprised with this? It's logically that if people had got money for free they have to return that money back. In my country politicians usually return money by increasing prices on municipal services and food prices in shops so it becomes more and more expensive to live. Probably in USA the situation is similar. By the way the amount of debts really should depend on people’s income. Wealthy should pay more and the poor should pay less (or they’ll totally bankrupt). To my mind government of any country don't need the poor they need people that are able to work, so if Biden will provide poor people with well-paid works will benefit all.
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I believe there is a big problem with partisanship in USA, I am looking at it and I see that only a few people will be disturbed by this while tens of millions of people will be profiting from this and even with that I am seeing a lot of people are unhappy about it. Why? There are some who are afraid about the future, which is weird because they are afraid and scared and angry about something that didn't happen, if Biden charges more taxes to "everyone" you can then get mad at him, but dude suggested a tax on rich people to help the poor people, if that is the topic why talk about a potential future that is not here just right now.

That means we are not really doing that bad with this current idea, it is so good that people can't even make an argument for it right now and only what it "may" mean for the future. Long story short, I think this should be liked by 90% of Americans but you guys are half and half on this as well.
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This tax hike is just an excuse to make more money to create more bombs to use in offensives in Middle East and funding the paramilitaries there, no matter what he says about this tax hike that it will be for the welfare of the people, it will be an empty promise as long as they are still funding billions of taxpayers dollars into military and the rich people always get away from paying their taxes by lobbying and tax exemptions.
legendary
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As we all know people did vote twice in a row for trump and if also was for a reason :
Trump had one term, not two.

But there were still tens of millions who voted twice for him, right? He didn't get elected the second time but he did get the votes of those who thought he was a better option.

The U.S. government DOES NOT need money, and IS NOT increasing taxes because it needs money. The Fed can always BRRRRR print trillions for the government, BUT once all that money does into circulation, INFLATION. What do they do to decrease the money in circulation? HIGH TAXES. - That’s Modern Monetary Theory.

You don't need to decrease the money in circulation to reign back inflation, and taxation won't be the best way to do it, the solution is to simply counter inflation with increased production and consumption, more goods being produced means the price is kept low, more productions means more jobs, more jobs lead to more money in the economy naturally which would render the effect of hose printed trillions less severe than we anticapate.


That’s the proper way, BUT it would take a very very long time. Like how the money was pumped in circulation without real production, money must come out without increased production/consumption.

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How will they do that, I don't see any serious plans for it, and time is running out.


Modern Monetary Theory is the plan. Check the link at OP.

Plus if only there was a type of “sound money” that we can HODL and park value to deal with inflation. Cool
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As we all know people did vote twice in a row for trump and if also was for a reason :
Trump had one term, not two.

But there were still tens of millions who voted twice for him, right? He didn't get elected the second time but he did get the votes of those who thought he was a better option.

The U.S. government DOES NOT need money, and IS NOT increasing taxes because it needs money. The Fed can always BRRRRR print trillions for the government, BUT once all that money does into circulation, INFLATION. What do they do to decrease the money in circulation? HIGH TAXES. - That’s Modern Monetary Theory.

You don't need to decrease the money in circulation to reign back inflation, and taxation won't be the best way to do it, the solution is to simply counter inflation with increased production and consumption, more goods being produced means the price is kept low, more productions means more jobs, more jobs lead to more money in the economy naturally which would render the effect of hose printed trillions less severe than we anticapate.

How will they do that, I don't see any serious plans for it, and time is running out.

But the super-rich never cease purchasing luxury properties and private islands and the government should target these if they are being honest.

And once you tax the hell out of those people will simply buy and register them in a different country and all those workers who were getting paid to produce those goods, the companies producing those, and the investors of those will be hit. Everything is tied together in an economy, you can't take a single measure that will affect only one link and not the others.

I don't know whether people will be less productive when the tax rates are increased. In other countries, tax evasion increases when something like this happen. But since the IRS is very strict in the United States, the chances of tax evasion are very small.

IRS claims they are losing 1$ for every 6$ they collect in tax evasion. Not avoidance, evasion!
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As we all know people did vote twice in a row for trump and if also was for a reason :
He did cut the tax of everyone on the first day , now that means even the richest didn't have to pay much. At the same time he did give out huge relief funds.
Now Biden did roll out a COVID relied fund for the people but at the same time he did see that there are much needed *Job creation* which does mean that the government needs *money* but from where ? Most of it has been used already and given to people and the US itself is in major debt. So Biden plans on increasing the tax , which would be the first major increase since 1993 , which is extremely weird. The wealthiest Americans and the biggest cooperations now would have to pay more tax!! I do think this is long overdue and should be done but people of the middle class should be exempted from this , , more specifically people without a job.
What do you think ?
Is this a right move ?
Ofcourse it would surge the unrest amongst people and they might be on the streets anyways how should the Government handle this ? Should the major tax hike be done in small steps?

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/biden-reportedly-planning-first-major-tax-hike-in-next-economic-package
As a rule, between tax exemption or collection and tax refund for the poor is really a mess, losing fairness in comparison.  Although, among the meaningful principles that can be tested through parliamentary or bicameral representatives - the upper house, I don't think it is the right way to reduce inflation and balance the state of the economy.  after the pandemic 19. The tax increase had many mixed effects, causing a bad psychological state, I think Biden and the white house will control the situation through many steps and alternating between appropriate intervals.
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The U.S. government DOES NOT need money, and IS NOT increasing taxes because it needs money. The Fed can always BRRRRR print trillions for the government, BUT once all that money does into circulation, INFLATION. What do they do to decrease the money in circulation? HIGH TAXES. - That’s Modern Monetary Theory.

If they increase the property taxes, estate tax, inheritance tax.etc, then it will have a bigger impact than increasing the income tax. Because income tax disproportionately affect the middle class, as the super-rich use various loopholes to avoid it. But the super-rich never cease purchasing luxury properties and private islands and the government should target these if they are being honest. Obviously they will never do that, else their main campaign donors will get angry.
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As we all know people did vote twice in a row for trump and if also was for a reason :
He did cut the tax of everyone on the first day , now that means even the richest didn't have to pay much. At the same time he did give out huge relief funds.


Trump had one term, not two.

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Now Biden did roll out a COVID relied fund for the people but at the same time he did see that there are much needed *Job creation* which does mean that the government needs *money* but from where ? Most of it has been used already and given to people and the US itself is in major debt.

So Biden plans on increasing the tax , which would be the first major increase since 1993 , which is extremely weird. The wealthiest Americans and the biggest cooperations now would have to pay more tax!! I do think this is long overdue and should be done but people of the middle class should be exempted from this , , more specifically people without a job.

What do you think?

Is this a right move?

Ofcourse it would surge the unrest amongst people and they might be on the streets anyways how should the Government handle this? Should the major tax hike be done in small steps?

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/biden-reportedly-planning-first-major-tax-hike-in-next-economic-package


The U.S. government DOES NOT need money, and IS NOT increasing taxes because it needs money. The Fed can always BRRRRR print trillions for the government, BUT once all that money does into circulation, INFLATION. What do they do to decrease the money in circulation? HIGH TAXES. - That’s Modern Monetary Theory.
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But what governments seem to forget is that by taxing the population so harshly then the desire of people to keep earning more money decreases significantly, think about it, with an effective tax rate of 50% this means that on real terms you work for the government for free for 6 months and you only receive profits from the next 6 months you work, this is ridiculous, this decreases productivity and over the long term this will be seen in the GDP of the country.

I don't know whether people will be less productive when the tax rates are increased. In other countries, tax evasion increases when something like this happen. But since the IRS is very strict in the United States, the chances of tax evasion are very small. One direct impact may be on capital gains. People may postpone or delay realizing their capital gains. Eventually they need to pay the capital gains tax, but with lower taxes they will be selling their capital assets more frequently.
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For someone who earns $400,000 per year, the applicable state income tax in California comes to 11.3%. With the latest increase in federal income tax, California residents will be paying more than 50% of their income as tax and the net take away will be less than $200,000. And for cities such as Los Angeles and San Francisco, given the high cost of living, the tax increase will have a large negative impact on the quality of life.
I don't know what to say about this tax thingies but if I may ask you about paying more taxes if you know that the taxes are going to be used on things that will help other people like increase in minimum wages, housing loans for minorities, and other social issues, do you think that you are going to pay that taxes. Because for me, I am willing to pay more taxes if I know that it isn't going to be wasted on military spending and the taxes goes where it is really needed.
But what governments seem to forget is that by taxing the population so harshly then the desire of people to keep earning more money decreases significantly, think about it, with an effective tax rate of 50% this means that on real terms you work for the government for free for 6 months and you only receive profits from the next 6 months you work, this is ridiculous, this decreases productivity and over the long term this will be seen in the GDP of the country.
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