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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 15, 2020, 08:18:54 AM

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Ours Will Have Slight Modifications To The Software. We Are Currently Working With Different Branded Models To Keep Cost Low.

Your post(s) imply that you are modifying/testing software. That means you have access to these devices right? I just want to see some proof of you actually working on this instead of trying to raise funds and disappear.

That is not were implying if you could read Where Are We Now Part it will explain in their, were asking for investors/Support. We are mostly here for support, to recruit people who have vast experience in this sector to help us modify the technology

You're trying to sell 50,000,000 tokens for $0,10-$0,20 each, which comes down to a total valuation of $5,000,000 - $10,000,000. You're also claiming there will be 2% interest each month.

How can you value your idea at $5,000,000 - $10,000,000 without having a working product? Also, where does the 2% interest come from?

Usuall network providers are worth billions ours is alot cheaper as we are not greedy.

The 2% interest represents the coin PoS if we decide to go ahead with a coin, for shares ie stock market there shall be dividend payments to main investors

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Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 12:00:31 PM

Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 14, 2020, 11:56:06 AM

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 13, 2020, 05:06:03 PM

Ours Will Have Slight Modifications To The Software. We Are Currently Working With Different Branded Models To Keep Cost Low.

Your post(s) imply that you are modifying/testing software. That means you have access to these devices right? I just want to see some proof of you actually working on this instead of trying to raise funds and disappear.

That is not were implying if you could read Where Are We Now Part it will explain in their, were asking for investors/Support. We are mostly here for support, to recruit people who have vast experience in this sector to help us modify the technology

You're trying to sell 50,000,000 tokens for $0,10-$0,20 each, which comes down to a total valuation of $5,000,000 - $10,000,000. You're also claiming there will be 2% interest each month.

How can you value your idea at $5,000,000 - $10,000,000 without having a working product? Also, where does the 2% interest come from?

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Quote from: buwaytress on January 15, 2020, 03:42:34 AM

Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 13, 2020, 02:20:03 PM

Don't tell me you are asking for funding before even having a working prototype?

I think he's telling us precisely that =p Can't seem to see any product actually on offer, or even any device that's being trialled.

And as pointed out by others, he's just gone and taken actual existing products/devices and tried to market the idea, with a token.

You could right now agree with someone on alibaba to get this device at a really cheap price, pay in bitcoin. Then pay separately, also with bitcoin, for an actually reputable VPN service for probably cheaper, less hassle than getting tokens you've no idea will ever continue working a year from now.

Slight problem understanding any of that, anyway im not here to promote the project only to to use it for presenting the project, their are more people who actually agrees its a good idea and they would have it once developed, as ive said im here to recruit a team who can help with the project.

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 13, 2020, 02:20:03 PM

Don't tell me you are asking for funding before even having a working prototype?

I think he's telling us precisely that =p Can't seem to see any product actually on offer, or even any device that's being trialled.

And as pointed out by others, he's just gone and taken actual existing products/devices and tried to market the idea, with a token.

You could right now agree with someone on alibaba to get this device at a really cheap price, pay in bitcoin. Then pay separately, also with bitcoin, for an actually reputable VPN service for probably cheaper, less hassle than getting tokens you've no idea will ever continue working a year from now.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 14, 2020, 04:25:48 PM

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 11:57:46 AM

Those devices are bare minimum and probably wouldnt offer hotspot due to them restricting specifications to make them affordable for customer's

The two devices I linked are both capable of being a WiFi hotspot. A simple web search will confirm this.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 11:57:46 AM

Also our device is based on EEs design which fits in your pocket and offers speeds upto 20 mbps (I have used there device personally & tested)

Ahh. So a quick web search reveals that the picture you linked in your first post is actually the "EE" device but with your logo photoshopped on to it, and your SIM card is actually a "BT Mobile" card, again with your logo photoshopped on to it. Even your example payment page is stolen from here (https://marketplace.whmcs.com/product/2042) and just has your logo photoshopped in to the top corner. Even the payment address is the same.

When you say you have "finished the design phase", what have you actually designed, other than taking existing products and putting your logo on them?

Also, given that the EE device is £30 from what I can see, which is exactly what you are selling your device for, it seems the only innovation you have here is a data plan which can be paid for in bitcoin?

If you seriously want investors, you are going to need to be honest with what they are investing in.

Yes as stated we are using a EE device which are used by many companies (not just EE) this may be changing as we are awaiting a response from Huawei about thier device which is cheaper.

Sim card holders are generic and thats the design we have gone for. There is no specific design for a sim card holder. It could just be a blank holder with a simcard aslong as the sim card works as it should and arrives intact is the main priority not unnecessary money spent on a fancy piece of plastic which gets thrown in the bin.

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Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 11:57:46 AM

Those devices are bare minimum and probably wouldnt offer hotspot due to them restricting specifications to make them affordable for customer's

The two devices I linked are both capable of being a WiFi hotspot. A simple web search will confirm this.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 11:57:46 AM

Also our device is based on EEs design which fits in your pocket and offers speeds upto 20 mbps (I have used there device personally & tested)

Ahh. So a quick web search reveals that the picture you linked in your first post is actually the "EE" device but with your logo photoshopped on to it, and your SIM card is actually a "BT Mobile" card, again with your logo photoshopped on to it. Even your example payment page is stolen from here (https://marketplace.whmcs.com/product/2042) and just has your logo photoshopped in to the top corner. Even the payment address is the same.

When you say you have "finished the design phase", what have you actually designed, other than taking existing products and putting your logo on them?

Also, given that the EE device is £30 from what I can see, which is exactly what you are selling your device for, it seems the only innovation you have here is a data plan which can be paid for in bitcoin?

If you seriously want investors, you are going to need to be honest with what they are investing in.

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 14, 2020, 11:56:06 AM

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 13, 2020, 05:06:03 PM

Ours Will Have Slight Modifications To The Software. We Are Currently Working With Different Branded Models To Keep Cost Low.

Your post(s) imply that you are modifying/testing software. That means you have access to these devices right? I just want to see some proof of you actually working on this instead of trying to raise funds and disappear.

That is not were implying if you could read Where Are We Now Part it will explain in their, were asking for investors/Support. We are mostly here for support, to recruit people who have vast experience in this sector to help us modify the technology

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 14, 2020, 08:47:27 AM

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

This presentation doesn't state or say poor people anywhere so that one is incorrect.

That is exactly what it states (emphasis mine):

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 11, 2020, 04:13:01 PM

The world's least developed countries will only reach universal Internet access by 2042, according to group's annual affordability report, which looked at the world's 51 poorest countries.
If progress continues at the current rate, only 52% of the world will be online by 2020, and the world's poorest countries will only have managed to connect 16 percent of their citizens.

How Do We Solve This?

From this introduction, it seems you are marketing it as an affordable way to access the internet, which I don't believe it is. If you are instead marketing it to people in developed countries who already own a computer, laptop, phone, tablet, and who knows who many other internet capable devices, then the market for it is even less. Why would I spend $40 and carry around a large device when my phone can perform all this already?

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

if you can find a device for 40$ I wouldn't believe it would be great use and would probably break down after a few months of use?

https://www.amazon.com/BLU-Advance-2019-Unlocked-Black/dp/B07YF5JQFB/
https://www.amazon.com/TracFone-TCL-LTE-Prepaid-Smartphone/dp/B07GC5FZDM/
I found both of these in under 10 seconds, both with >4 star reviews on average. Sure, it's not going to be an amazing device, but it will still perform everything your device does as well as being a browser. And these are brand new; if you go pre-owned you'd be able to get top brands for this price.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

This is a portable hotspot device which connects to the internet through a VPN and offers total privacy.

VPNs do not offer total privacy.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

with phones you have to fill in personal details etc. with our device you don't and sim cards you don't either.

No you don't. I can buy both a phone and a SIM card anonymously, as well as top up my phone anonymously.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

with an actual device that's built for wifi it offers much more Speeds and longer lasting charge.

Well, we don't know that because you don't have a working device.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

Also looking through your previous posts on other threads, it seems your just here to either challenge projects

If you can't defend your project from being challenged, then it suggests your project isn't worthy of people's investment.

Those devices are bare minimum and probably wouldnt offer hotspot due to them restricting specifications to make them affordable for customer's

Also our device is based on EEs design which fits in your pocket and offers speeds upto 20 mbps (I have used there device personally & tested)

We also will be offering our own unlimited data plans at affordable costs obviously dependent on different countries, but we aim to keep costs at bare minimum

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Quote from: SubTradeX on January 13, 2020, 05:06:03 PM

Ours Will Have Slight Modifications To The Software. We Are Currently Working With Different Branded Models To Keep Cost Low.

Your post(s) imply that you are modifying/testing software. That means you have access to these devices right? I just want to see some proof of you actually working on this instead of trying to raise funds and disappear.

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 14, 2020, 11:02:06 AM

Do you have access to one of these devices? If so, can you provide some images?

Evening
If you type in google Mobile Wifi lots will pop up, our design is based on a EE Hotspot device due to its slimline and speed, there are many other options but we are trying to keep the price to a minimum for the customers

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Do you have access to one of these devices? If so, can you provide some images?

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Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

This presentation doesn't state or say poor people anywhere so that one is incorrect.

That is exactly what it states (emphasis mine):

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 11, 2020, 04:13:01 PM

The world's least developed countries will only reach universal Internet access by 2042, according to group's annual affordability report, which looked at the world's 51 poorest countries.
If progress continues at the current rate, only 52% of the world will be online by 2020, and the world's poorest countries will only have managed to connect 16 percent of their citizens.

How Do We Solve This?

From this introduction, it seems you are marketing it as an affordable way to access the internet, which I don't believe it is. If you are instead marketing it to people in developed countries who already own a computer, laptop, phone, tablet, and who knows who many other internet capable devices, then the market for it is even less. Why would I spend $40 and carry around a large device when my phone can perform all this already?

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

if you can find a device for 40$ I wouldn't believe it would be great use and would probably break down after a few months of use?

https://www.amazon.com/BLU-Advance-2019-Unlocked-Black/dp/B07YF5JQFB/
https://www.amazon.com/TracFone-TCL-LTE-Prepaid-Smartphone/dp/B07GC5FZDM/
I found both of these in under 10 seconds, both with >4 star reviews on average. Sure, it's not going to be an amazing device, but it will still perform everything your device does as well as being a browser. And these are brand new; if you go pre-owned you'd be able to get top brands for this price.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

This is a portable hotspot device which connects to the internet through a VPN and offers total privacy.

VPNs do not offer total privacy.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

with phones you have to fill in personal details etc. with our device you don't and sim cards you don't either.

No you don't. I can buy both a phone and a SIM card anonymously, as well as top up my phone anonymously.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

with an actual device that's built for wifi it offers much more Speeds and longer lasting charge.

Well, we don't know that because you don't have a working device.

Quote from: SubTradeX on January 14, 2020, 08:12:31 AM

Also looking through your previous posts on other threads, it seems your just here to either challenge projects

If you can't defend your project from being challenged, then it suggests your project isn't worthy of people's investment.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 14, 2020, 07:36:25 AM

I might be missing something here, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

This is essentially a portable router? You buy a SIM card with a data plan, and it broadcasts a WiFi network for you to connect your devices to, right?

In that case, how is this helping poor people access the internet. They have to pay for your device, and they also have to pay for either a phone, tablet, or laptop to use that WiFi. Why, then, pay for your device at all? Phones, tablets, and laptops can all accept SIM cards directly and also be set up as a WiFi hotspot, meaning your device is entirely unnecessary. You can also buy USB dongles which give internet access for a few dollars a month. I can also do all of this with bitcoin, using either companies which accept bitcoin directly, or a service like Bitrefill to top up my SIM card.

You say the cheapest your device will cost is £30, which is around $40. For $40 on Amazon I can get a phone which will access the internet via a SIM card, whilst also performing all the functions of a phone and internet browser.

I don't see the point in this device, I'm afraid.

This presentation doesn't state or say poor people anywhere so that one is incorrect.

if you can find a device for 40$ I wouldn't believe it would be great use and would probably break down after a few months of use? This is a portable hotspot device which connects to the internet through a VPN and offers total privacy. with phones you have to fill in personal details etc. with our device you don't and sim cards you don't either.
which also offers Solar charging. myself, I have a phone and use it for hotspot which is much use and the speeds are terrible (Samsung Note 9) with an actual device that's built for wifi it offers much more Speeds and longer lasting charge.

Also has you said you could pay it through services. We will have our own website where you can buy it directly but will also accept different cryptos such as LTC in the future

Also looking through your previous posts on other threads, it seems your just here to either challenge projects or have a negative input
But
Thanks for your input

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I might be missing something here, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

This is essentially a portable router? You buy a SIM card with a data plan, and it broadcasts a WiFi network for you to connect your devices to, right?

In that case, how is this helping poor people access the internet. They have to pay for your device, and they also have to pay for either a phone, tablet, or laptop to use that WiFi. Why, then, pay for your device at all? Phones, tablets, and laptops can all accept SIM cards directly and also be set up as a WiFi hotspot, meaning your device is entirely unnecessary. You can also buy USB dongles which give internet access for a few dollars a month. I can also do all of this with bitcoin, using either companies which accept bitcoin directly, or a service like Bitrefill to top up my SIM card.

You say the cheapest your device will cost is £30, which is around $40. For $40 on Amazon I can get a phone which will access the internet via a SIM card, whilst also performing all the functions of a phone and internet browser.

I don't see the point in this device, I'm afraid.

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Quote from: mouseadm on January 14, 2020, 05:26:00 AM

really good idea.. id rather pay internet with btc.. cant wait to see where this goes..

One of our aims is to provide Wifi without all the personal detail hoarding as most companions do, we prefer a one of payment for the device then you have the control to select which data plan you wish to have

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Quote from: shield132 on January 14, 2020, 05:20:13 AM

Idea is pretty good, really, I especially liked that you are going to offer solar powered charging cable, that shows not only benefits of free energy but also the support of further clean energy. You need serious amount of money and finding investor that will fulfill your hopes will be hard. If I were you, I would look for investors in your local country too. Also going on some meetups and events and presenting of your idea will be a good.
What about to think on something like this: In countries there are paid wifi networks around the cities, for example Orange in Paris. What about to offer such WiFi with VPN service but paid with visa/mastercard and others along bitcoin?

Thanks for the input, i appreciate it. Im currently seeking investors at angel network invesments i also may set up a GoFund page but i dont like the idea of that website as its not really transparent

We aim to try and provide energy efficient devices and its possible with this device as its small and fits in pockets to have on the go.

We would like to accept payment by Visa/Mastercard in the future but that will be agreed upon in the future because they have fees etc which could heighten the price as our aim is to keep it affordable for all. We have contacted different network providers and also a company for manufacturing

All will be updated as we gain more information and replies from themselves

Once again, thank you for your positive feedback

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really good idea.. id rather pay internet with btc.. cant wait to see where this goes..

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Idea is pretty good, really, I especially liked that you are going to offer solar powered charging cable, that shows not only benefits of free energy but also the support of further clean energy. You need serious amount of money and finding investor that will fulfill your hopes will be hard. If I were you, I would look for investors in your local country too. Also going on some meetups and events and presenting of your idea will be a good.
What about to think on something like this: In countries there are paid wifi networks around the cities, for example Orange in Paris. What about to offer such WiFi with VPN service but paid with visa/mastercard and others along bitcoin?

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 13, 2020, 02:20:03 PM

Don't tell me you are asking for funding before even having a working prototype?

These Devices Are Generic And Already Work With Sim Cards, Ours Will Have Slight Modifications To The Software. We Are Currently Working With Different Branded Models To Keep Cost Low. The Cheapest Supplier We Have Found Offer Such Devices For £30 As A One Off Fee Then The Device Is Yours To Keep.

The Download Speed Of One Of The Devices Will Average Around 15 - 20 Mbps Download Speed Which Is Faster Than Most Households Broadbrand.

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