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Quote from: Wicomas on October 13, 2018, 01:11:55 PM

I think big companies are monitoring the situation as to the stability of crypto market. Perhaps this market is still immature to them. when big companies like AliExpress, IBM, Amazon etc. will start investing on crypto, this thing will go miles.

They are and they will go in. They're waiting for clear regulatory policies and stabilization. They don't want to enter into a bubble but they also don't want to risk their money when countries did not make it clear whether they want to embrace it or ban it. Bitcoin still has unclear future in many countries. It would be great if governments made it clear that their attitude towards cryptocurrencies is laissez-faire. I can promise you that when it happens private companies will march in.

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We are also seeing stock markets all around the world taking a hammering at the moment, so investors are looking for safe haven investments to hedge against this. They usually turn to Gold, but Gold is plagued by manipulation from cartels, so they are looking for something that are not being manipulated.

A recent study has shown that Bitcoin whales, manipulating the market is a myth and a lot less than was previously reported.
https://bitcoinist.com/chainalysis-finds-that-bitcoin-whales-are-not-the-sole-source-of-market-volatility/

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Unstability is the main reason in my opinion. A bit more stability will attract more big companies and the other problems will start to fade away automatically.

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I think big companies are monitoring the situation as to the stability of crypto market. Perhaps this market is still immature to them. when big companies like AliExpress, IBM, Amazon etc. will start investing on crypto, this thing will go miles.

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Cryptocurrency is relatively new in financial world. It will integrate into major aspects and projects but in time. It is still gaining popularity gloabally.

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There are a lot of untapped potential sectors that crypto has yet not tapped into. These institutational money could do wonders for the overall market, through proper hosting and stability.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

And what does bitcoin have to offer for these funds and the involved parties? If anything, these guys would also find themselves in shambles keeping track of these things. And bitcoin is also an unstable asset so why would anyone rely their life savings and retirement funds to such that can crumble within mere minutes/hours? They surely wouldn't agree to keep their savings into that and would opt to just go with the banks no matter how the fees and terms would be.

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All of us are waitnig for institutional investors and their money to come to crypto market. hope it will be next year...

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This is what a lot of people don't understand. This is still only the beginning and crypto will grow massively very soon so you better invest before its too late.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 11, 2018, 02:01:39 AM

On the other hand, there was just a thread in Economics about how some big players were buying coins over the counter, bypassing exchanges--so there are some investors with deep pockets getting into crypto. It just hasn't become widespread yet.

THis is a smart way of accumulating in bear market. If you have a lot of money invested elsewhere it takes time to liquidate and move to something like Bitcoin. You want the bear market to last as long as possible and sudden moves might end it prematurely. Also, you don't want to get involved with shady exchanges that could get hacked at any time. If I had 50 million or more to play with I'd be looking to trade it in person via a trusted proxy to stay anonymous and off the books.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

Retirement funds + crypto? It doesn't sound right to me.

Why not? Pension funds, this is even a justified decision, only it should be voluntary.
Not only listed by you, but also regulation by different countries. When all laws with cryptocurrency will be settled, then fiat money will flow into Bitcoin and other altcoins.

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We might not even know that it is here already. Of course officially there is no news about institutional money being involve in the market but not all news is being disclosed in the public and chances are a few already have entered the market without us knowing. There is no need of protection or security when their money want to be involve in the market as someone will already be handling it for them. They might now be involve that is why there are big price movements even in the past we just not know it yet.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

I often see this kind of posts and used to it. But in my opinion there are many funds that are coming in the market everyday but only slowly.

Yes and eventually when enough people won't accept fiat anymore, institutionals will jump into BTC.
Otherwise they're just doomed to see themselves loose their grasp on people.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

I often see this kind of posts and used to it. But in my opinion there are many funds that are coming in the market everyday but only slowly.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 11, 2018, 02:01:39 AM

There's no way in hell I'd want my pension funds invested in something like bitcoin, especially if I was close to retirement. It's way, way too risky.

Exactly. The whole point of a pension or retirement fund is to have safe and steady returns compounded over 40+ years. Risking all that on complete speculation which could wipe out decades of savings in the space of a few days or weeks entirely defeats the point of having a pension. You might as well just gamble x% of your paycheck every month instead.

If we are ever at the stage where people are actually using crypto for their pension funds, then "institutional money entering the field" will be irrelevant, as the price will be more or less static.

Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner.

Also, I've been hearing some variation of this statement for a couple of years, at least. I'll believe it when I see it.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

Retirement funds + crypto? It doesn't sound right to me. If I'm going to advise those retirees? I won't even mentioned crypto for them because of the risk and some technicalities from behind. Lack of hosting services for storing passwords? We have secure crypto wallets, all you have to do is learn how to protect them. Well you said it right, its unstable so its risky for them. If there will be huge money coming into the market, it will come from people who know how this market operates and know how to play in this game.

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Drops like the recent dip of approximately 5% in 35 minutes is what's keeping most away of bitcoin. The instability and wide fluctuations makes it unsuitable as a store of value.
And as an investment the outcome is totally out of your control. And you can only profit when the market offers profits.
Bitcoin ETF if approved would attract most of the people wary of the volatility. Buy that would haC little effect on sustained price stability.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Second, it's too unstable for them.

That's the main issue, I think. There's no way in hell I'd want my pension funds invested in something like bitcoin, especially if I was close to retirement. It's way, way too risky.

There was a time not too long ago when the market cap of bitcoin was probably too small for big money to invest in it. I just checked bitcoin's market cap, and it's $108 billion. That's definitely not too small for Wall Street to get involved. The market cap of Dominos Pizza is just over $10 billion, and a lot of mutual funds have DPZ stock. The big players probalby don't want a huge chunk of volatility and uncertainty in their portfolios, that's my guess.

On the other hand, there was just a thread in Economics about how some big players were buying coins over the counter, bypassing exchanges--so there are some investors with deep pockets getting into crypto. It just hasn't become widespread yet.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

Off course you know the invested is either from family, friends or debentures. These monies would be paid back and before the repayment, some profits are also expected to have made. Hence, these big companies would rather invest the money in a physical space that they can visit daily to monitor, take accounts rather something they see as not stable in value. I'm not surprised too but I know that the future will be attractive to them when they see that the investors are not suffering from any collateral damage.

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Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

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