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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 22, 2023, 09:50:41 PM

Another jurisdiction bites the dust. I reckon once enough exchanges have been expelled from many jurisdictions with traders having nowhere to go, it is possible that much of them will begin trading through DEX and DeFi which will increase the amount of liquidity and volume in these markets.

I woulnd't bet on DEXes taking big chunk of CEX volume anytime soon, even with all these regularoty issues big exchanges are having.

Problems for Binance go on, as Belgium regulators orded Binance to stop offering all services to their citizens. Interesting times ahead.

Source https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSFWN38F13H

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Another jurisdiction bites the dust. I reckon once enough exchanges have been expelled from many jurisdictions with traders having nowhere to go, it is possible that much of them will begin trading through DEX and DeFi which will increase the amount of liquidity and volume in these markets.

If DEX and DeFi popularity surpasses centralized exchanges popularity, what also might occur is instead of waiting and speculating for the Binance listing pump, it will be the Uniswap whitelisting pump hehe.

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Quote from: malcovi2 on June 19, 2023, 08:06:26 PM

Quote from: Woodie on June 19, 2023, 04:09:16 PM

And how is it like with other exchanges, is it business as usual or they are facing the same regulatory pressure??

It's the same for other exchangers Kucoin, Huobi, Bybit and others.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2021/06/28/huobi-reveals-countries-where-it-has-halted-derivatives-trading/
https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/06/22/ontario-securities-commission-slaps-bybit-and-kucoin-with-enforcement-actions/

I'm not going to provide all the links of the articles that I have read since you can just google it each countries that have been banning from western to asian countries.

I guess these guys days are numbered when it comes to centralized exchange's operating borderless which is a good and bad thing...

I can only imagine how many local exchanges will come out of this,a and possibly exploit their customers thanks to fewer exchanges to choose from.

Quote from: malcovi2 on June 19, 2023, 08:06:26 PM

Times are changing because there are new local cryptocurrency exchangers that are operating which are complying with regulations while Binance, Kucoin, Huobi are not for them it's kinda unfair.

Looks like a cooperate war disguised as a regulatory clean up, let's see how this unfold going forward.

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Quote from: malcovi2 on June 19, 2023, 08:06:26 PM

Times are changing because there are new local cryptocurrency exchangers that are operating which are complying with regulations while Binance, Kucoin, Huobi are not for them it's kinda unfair.

But they didn't quite give up without building relationships with confidants in each country.

Among the top exchange founders I've only seen a lot of active CZ traveling around the world, so I wouldn't be surprised if Binance was always a few steps ahead. They spread their partnership wings to several local exchanges^[1] (where it is difficult to reach legal agreements), so that they will better adapt regulation to the "special brand". I'm not sure if the local exchange deserves to be called Binance mask over partners.

1. https://www.binance.com/en/legal/licenses

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Quote from: Woodie on June 19, 2023, 04:09:16 PM

And how is it like with other exchanges, is it business as usual or they are facing the same regulatory pressure??

It's the same for other exchangers Kucoin, Huobi, Bybit and others.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2021/06/28/huobi-reveals-countries-where-it-has-halted-derivatives-trading/
https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/06/22/ontario-securities-commission-slaps-bybit-and-kucoin-with-enforcement-actions/

I'm not going to provide all the links of the articles that I have read since you can just google it each countries that have been banning from western to asian countries.
Times are changing because there are new local cryptocurrency exchangers that are operating which are complying with regulations while Binance, Kucoin, Huobi are not for them it's kinda unfair.

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So Canada gone, US pretty much is a wrap and now we have the Netherlands joining the list were Binance is pulling out..

Is it possible that a competitor could be behind this persuading regulators by pressing Binances buttons to shake them up and leave the markets for others??

And how is it like with other exchanges, is it business as usual or they are facing the same regulatory pressure??

And in a few month's from now, are we going to survive without centralized exchange's??? Because truth be told, these guys provide more liquidity than a Dex would and pricing is far much better too...

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on June 16, 2023, 08:21:22 AM

Starting from Canada and now Netherlands it appears that before the end of the year we will have a list of countries where Binance has failed to comply with regulatory standards.

Their whole EU market might vanish later on, when following the same "standard" regulatory laws regarding cryptocurrency. This might effect on all exchanges on different countries which most government want — to keep cryptocurrency away on their market in which i don't get, when they can benefit all the taxes of their countrymen.

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Quote from: Rikafip on June 18, 2023, 11:35:17 AM

I am from EU (Croatia) and I also thought that we follow more of less the same laws because some services like crypto debit cards are usually available in all EU countries. Having said that, looks like last year Spian gave Binance the very same VASP license that Netherland denied and that caused Binance leaving the country so it looks like each country has its own standards.

The only reason that makes sense in my head is because in order for an entity to obtain a VASP license they need to comply not only with European laws (established in the recent 5MLD directive[1]) but also with the national legislation that each country has regarding them. On the latter part, Netherlands regulatory body - De Nederlandsche Bank (DNB) - probably has more tighter requirements than Spain and Binance chose not to apply/follow them (albeit there are already some companies granted a VASP license by DNB that you can check here[2]). If you're interested you can see an explanation from DNB regarding the information that Binance had to submit in order to be evaluated for a VASP license[3]. For Spain the information is a bit more loose but you also have documentation on these websites[4][5] at least.

[1]https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32018L0843
[2]https://www.dnb.nl/en/public-register/register-of-crypto-service-providers/?p=1&l=10&rc=V1dGVEFD
[3]https://www.dnb.nl/media/cz3fjb4f/explanatory-notes-to-the-form-for-registration-as-a-crypto-service-provider.pdf
[4]https://www.garrigues.com/en_GB/new/bank-spains-new-register-virtual-currency-exchange-and-custodian-wallet-providers-now-fully-and
[5]https://sedeelectronica.bde.es/sede/es/menu/tramites/autorizaciones-de-entidades-de-credito-y-otros/registro-de-proveedores-de-servicios-de-cambio-de-moneda-virtual-por-moneda-fiduciaria-y-de-custodia-de-monederos-electronicos.html -> Foreign (Spanish)

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Quote from: DaveF on June 18, 2023, 08:31:37 AM

What I don't get, and it could fully be because I am an idiot, but beyond everything else The Netherlands is part of the EU I was always under the impression that they all more or less followed the same banking / KYC / AML laws with only some very minor variations. So am I wrong on that or it there another thing going on here. I'm in the US so I don't know all the ins and outs of EU banking.

I am from EU (Croatia) and I also thought that we follow more of less the same laws because some services like crypto debit cards are usually available in all EU countries. Having said that, looks like last year Spian gave Binance the very same VASP license that Netherland denied and that caused Binance leaving the country so it looks like each country has its own standards.

Quote from: https://www.binance.com/en/blog/ecosystem/binance-secures-virtual-asset-service-provider-registration-in-spain-6229537652846902001

We are thrilled to announce that our Spanish subsidiary, Moon Tech Spain, S.L., has been granted registration as a Virtual Asset Services Provider(VASP) by the Bank of Spain. This registration will allow Binance to offer crypto asset exchange and custody services in Spain in compliance with the requirements of its central bank’s anti-money laundering and counter-terrorist financing (AML/CTF) rules. Moon Tech Spain was granted registration by the Bank of Spain on July 7, 2022, having applied for registration on January 28, 2022.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 17, 2023, 11:22:26 PM

Quote from: hd49728 on June 16, 2023, 11:06:52 AM

Geo-locations will be identified to block people from restricted countries or areas. It is easy to do by Binance and it's not strange, we have it on gambling sites too.

Yep, but I think the much larger issue is what the AML requirements are and what any crypto exchange (not just Binance) has to do to fulfill them. I have no idea what kind of regulations the Netherlands has in place, but I'm guessing the problem Binance has is all of the de-fi and staking offerings and maybe something with KYC compliance.

In the beginning, we had bitcoin and the unregulated Wild West--most of which I missed--and now it seems like all of those concerns about governments being able to shut down bitcoin that had so many threads devoted to them are resurfacing. And man....it's true that no government can shut down the bitcoin network, if using it is made illegal (and that could happen) then that can be done in an indirect way.

But I'm hopeful attitudes can change. We've made it this far without severe regulation, which is no small achievement--13 years or thereabouts. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Binance can exert some influence and stay in business.

What I don't get, and it could fully be because I am an idiot, but beyond everything else The Netherlands is part of the EU I was always under the impression that they all more or less followed the same banking / KYC / AML laws with only some very minor variations. So am I wrong on that or it there another thing going on here. I'm in the US so I don't know all the ins and outs of EU banking.

However, as I have said, if so many other places can do it and you can't, it's probably you....

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Quote from: hd49728 on June 16, 2023, 11:06:52 AM

Geo-locations will be identified to block people from restricted countries or areas. It is easy to do by Binance and it's not strange, we have it on gambling sites too.

Yep, but I think the much larger issue is what the AML requirements are and what any crypto exchange (not just Binance) has to do to fulfill them. I have no idea what kind of regulations the Netherlands has in place, but I'm guessing the problem Binance has is all of the de-fi and staking offerings and maybe something with KYC compliance.

In the beginning, we had bitcoin and the unregulated Wild West--most of which I missed--and now it seems like all of those concerns about governments being able to shut down bitcoin that had so many threads devoted to them are resurfacing. And man....it's true that no government can shut down the bitcoin network, if using it is made illegal (and that could happen) then that can be done in an indirect way.

But I'm hopeful attitudes can change. We've made it this far without severe regulation, which is no small achievement--13 years or thereabouts. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Binance can exert some influence and stay in business.

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Quote from: joniboini on June 17, 2023, 09:21:56 PM

I don't think they even try to register locally though. The ban is also easy to bypass the last time I checked, with a DNS or even alternative link we can access Binance with no problems. I don't know if the government is just lazy or they made a deal on the background since they allow Binance to acquire one of the local exchanges with no notable problems. CMIIW.

Yeah as far as I know Tokocrypto itself is using Binance Cloud or using the framework from Binance. and we can easily bypass the website by using DNS change or VPN and binance global still accepts Indonesian ID for the registration.

And yes last time news said that binance is buy the tokocrypto stock "private placement" and the transaction went smoothly and they change the CEO.

In my opinion is Binance take the shortcut - buying the tokocrypto to acquire the local license without waiting longer process

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Quote from: dansus021 on June 16, 2023, 10:49:12 PM

And also Binance is already banned by "The Ministry of Communication and Informatics" of Indonesia because dont have a license there but Binance buy indonesia crypto exchange tokocrypto

I don't think they even try to register locally though. The ban is also easy to bypass the last time I checked, with a DNS or even alternative link we can access Binance with no problems. I don't know if the government is just lazy or they made a deal on the background since they allow Binance to acquire one of the local exchanges with no notable problems. CMIIW.

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Isn't it EToro and Bybit operates in Netherlands? And they even have their own local exchanges which is Bitvavo?

So I'm just wondering if other exchanges local or foreign can operate inside the Netherlands then why there is a issue on giving Binance the regulatory approval? I'm not pro-Binance, but I'm just curious as who's fault it is? Or just the government of Dutch is really hard bent on giving Binance the thumbs up? Or it is about CZ not wanting to go because he doesn't like what he is seeing on papers regarding regulations?

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on June 16, 2023, 08:21:22 AM

Are such legislations applied according to the Dutch passport or according to the IP addresses? If the ban was according to the IP address, it is easy to claim to the support team that I have moved to another place, even if it was according to the passport, it does not seem logical.

Does changing location mean to using Binance again, even though Binance has failed to provide some necessary details to make sure your assets are safe?

Since the time Binance and the US SEC started having issues, I have advised anyone close to me to avoid the exchange for now until all the cases are resolved.

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Starting from Canada and now Netherlands it appears that before the end of the year we will have a list of countries where Binance has failed to comply with regulatory standards.

That is why centralized exchanges should be avoided at all costs.

Binance has gained global credibility, and no one will ever anticipate them to operate in this manner again. They are now failing to meet several countries' regulatory criteria. That is, trust is a problem in cryptocurrencies; thus, trust no one with your bitcoin; keep it in your wallet, and you will be in charge.

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Things are getting worse on Binance and it is about to leave more countries, all EU countries are sure to follow the Netherlands in this ban.

Although the Binance case in the United States has not ended yet, its impact seemed to appear immediately. It is certain that more countries will impose more restrictions on Binance, so I do not know what will be the impact of this case on Crypto in general?

Although it seems to be bad news in its general form, but given the dominance of Binance in the crypto market, I expect that its effect will be good in the long run to get rid of centralization.

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Again, no surprise. This has been a pattern for Binance. Theirs is like a hit-and-run business. Binance has this penchant to operate illegally. If caught and called out, they try to register, probably just to somehow appease the authorities, to make it appear that it isn't their intention to stay illegal and exploit the market without paying anything in return. They submit probably haphazard applications which are expected to be rejected. And then they leave.

In fairness to them, however, they seem to be making new grounds as much as they are losing old ones. I'm in awe of CZ's sneaky business skills.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on June 16, 2023, 08:21:22 AM

Starting from Canada and now Netherlands it appears that before the end of the year we will have a list of countries where Binance has failed to comply with regulatory standards.

They also fail in Singapore I don't remember when but the Binance Singapore is already gone all trading will be banned if we access using singapore IP address.

And also Binance is already banned by "The Ministry of Communication and Informatics" of Indonesia because dont have a license there but Binance buy indonesia crypto exchange tokocrypto

it seems they fail in majority of country but I think they will not stop there

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The number of countries is narrowing day by day, which may affect the continuity of their profits, or at least it will not be the same as it was in 2020, which means that Binance may be replaced during the next few years to be the platform despite two or three, or we may not return for a while to have a dominant platform over all The market, but the first platform for each geographical area.

looking for an alternative if Binance is still working well in your country.

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Oh look another place they couldn't or wouldn't get a license.

Here's a hint for the people still using Binance.

Run as fast as you can.

They're slowly but surely leaving parts of the world that require some sort of proof that you're not running a scam outfit. As more people want proof that they're doing shady things, they seem to be bailing from those jurisdictions. If it was just one or two countries or regions that they were leaving or being forced out of or being sued in you could say it was just that one particular country or region or whatever. With them having to stop operations in so many places you really can't at this point still think that there's not something funky going on behind the scenes there.

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