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legendary
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June 14, 2019, 08:10:48 AM
#24
Honestly though, it's hard to work on a platform and consolidate regulatory compliance since one rule might differ from region to region and perhaps that's what CZ and the team is trying to avoid. Anyhow, I see it as an okay solution for the rampant manipulation still going on.

How are other exchanges still operating in the US and Binance sees no other way than blocking?
Remember that they are the liars who said everything was perfectly ok, denying rumors while making their suitcases and fleeing Japan because they couldn't meet the regulations. And of course, others could.

They are currently residing in Malta, the most lawless and less regulated country in the EU, when the government will start looking into their business they will probably head for the Bahamas.

I haven't read CZ's official statement regarding this but as I have seen on their Terms of Service, they cannot serve/cater to customers who are residing in the US and is covered by UN Security Council sanction list:

3. Prohibition of use

By accessing and using the Services, you represent and warrant that you are not on any trade or economic sanctions lists, such as the UN Security Council Sanctions list, designated as a “Specially Designated National” by OFAC (Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Treasury Department) or placed on the U.S. Commerce Department’s “Denied Persons List”. Binance is unable to provide services to any U.S. person. Binance maintains the right to select its markets and jurisdictions to operate and may restrict or deny the Services in certain countries at its discretion.

Sure Binance operates on an essentially lawless state for crypto but how about those who they are serving and those using their platforms? No other choice but to block US residents for the mean time and just create the region's own exchange than to incur a lot of penalties and being issued a cease and desist order if someone gets caught doing something fishy on their trading platforms.
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June 14, 2019, 07:59:42 AM
#23
The United States has very strict regulations on prohibiting nationals from participating in ICO and IEO. Binance will be in big trouble if allowing citizens of the United States to join their platform. I think in the coming time the SEC will have to make clear rules about crypto and it will be easier.
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June 14, 2019, 07:26:37 AM
#22
Hmmmm....I hope that the trade war issue and the huawei ban does not have anything to do with Binance's decision. Because for me, it felt like it was their love for their country is the reason behind it. But man, this is still a huge loss of money on the trading volume because I only know 3 countries that has a lot of money and that is China, USA and Russia.
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June 14, 2019, 07:23:48 AM
#21
I think Binance just want to be careful since the regulations of the U.S are becoming more strict. But that doesn't really mean that Americans can not trade at all. Because there are still good exchanges out there that are secure and still do fast transactions. But I hope they don't continue with this because everyone's having a good experience with Binance.
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June 14, 2019, 07:06:06 AM
#20
As few users stated it would get separate trading platform for different continents. Coinbase recently mentioned its separate exchange service for Asia. In such a way US might get its separate exchange service from Binance. US having hard regulations too is a reason for such a decision of trading services getting blocked for US ip.
legendary
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June 14, 2019, 06:44:29 AM
#19
If Binance blocks access to US customers, where else can they trade ? As a European, I'm not familiar with American crypto exchanges. What are the most popular ?

Anyway, they can always use OKEx.

The US citizens can use gemini and coinbase. Both of them are located in the US.

The US has a strong dirty money/money laundering paranoia. Binance don't want to deal with endless demands coming from the authorities in the US. Many online casinos also follow the same idea.
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June 14, 2019, 06:37:18 AM
#18
But why? US, according to the chart is giving them the most traffic so far and banning them doesn't make sense to me. I know I'm lacking information so I hope someone would fill us with this topic.

Most probably because US has strict laws regarding cryptocurrency and when you get into the US money laundering or tax accusation, you're f**ked.
That's why most of ICO's and exchanges blocks them. And they are particulary not happy when foreign company deals with their citizen without their consent.
Every business are afraid of US. Wherever you stay or operate, US is going to f**k you anyway.
Probably every shady business is afraid of US. We all seen a huge amount of exchange hacks that may be artificially made by the exchange stuff. So if you add different kinds of scam ICOs then the general picture would show that some kind of strict control is desperately needed in crypto field.
It seems like binance also have something to hide.

Maybe or may not be.
US is know for overusing its power on anything they find challenging to them. Look at Huawei, its just plain whining.
Binance is getting over 15% of it's volume just from the US. It's one of their largest revenue source and blocking US must be their last resort.
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June 14, 2019, 06:27:15 AM
#17
But why? US, according to the chart is giving them the most traffic so far and banning them doesn't make sense to me. I know I'm lacking information so I hope someone would fill us with this topic.

Most probably because US has strict laws regarding cryptocurrency and when you get into the US money laundering or tax accusation, you're f**ked.
That's why most of ICO's and exchanges blocks them. And they are particulary not happy when foreign company deals with their citizen without their consent.
Every business are afraid of US. Wherever you stay or operate, US is going to f**k you anyway.
Probably every shady business is afraid of US. We all seen a huge amount of exchange hacks that may be artificially made by the exchange stuff. So if you add different kinds of scam ICOs then the general picture would show that some kind of strict control is desperately needed in crypto field.
It seems like binance also have something to hide.
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June 14, 2019, 06:21:38 AM
#16
I also think that all this is connected with the tough US laws regarding cryptocurrency and obtaining permission to operate in this country and for its citizens. That is why in almost all ICO projects there is a ban on the participation of citizens of the United States. I did not go into the study of this problem, but I think that all the exchanges that are located in the United States are forced to provide reports to local authorities and are subject to strict regulation. In other countries, the attitude towards stock exchanges is more liberal.
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June 14, 2019, 06:01:58 AM
#15
Binance, the largest exchange by volume is now going to leave behind it's US based customers. Anyone verified as US citizen won't be able to trade while the IP from US would be blocked by default effective from 12th September, 2019.
Binance Dex is also blocking US IPs.

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2019/06/14/us-customers-to-be-blocked-from-trading-on-binance-com/


Not just Binance, all major exchange are. I think US government decided something. Something wrong.
But it can't stop who want to trade cryptocurrencies. So many DEX are working right now. They can't leave anyone out. (ALL VPN ON)
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June 14, 2019, 05:55:06 AM
#14
Honestly though, it's hard to work on a platform and consolidate regulatory compliance since one rule might differ from region to region and perhaps that's what CZ and the team is trying to avoid. Anyhow, I see it as an okay solution for the rampant manipulation still going on.

How are other exchanges still operating in the US and Binance sees no other way than blocking?
Remember that they are the liars who said everything was perfectly ok, denying rumors while making their suitcases and fleeing Japan because they couldn't meet the regulations. And of course, others could.

They are currently residing in Malta, the most lawless and less regulated country in the EU, when the government will start looking into their business they will probably head for the Bahamas.

It's pretty obvious they are doing everything they can to avoid regulations and to avoid a country where they could be prosecuted for not taking measures to secure clients funds (like Japan demanded).
If they think they can play this cat and mouse game forever they are mistaken.

If binance blocks the usa ips i fear it is a matter of time or more and more countries will be banned in the future with tighter and tighter crypto rulings each year.

I believe it's just problems with the US and the restricted countries

As long as other exchanges are operating inside the US or allow US customers I have a feeling the problem is with Binance, not the US.
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June 14, 2019, 05:51:33 AM
#13
Binance isn't really
If Binance blocks access to US customers, where else can they trade ? As a European, I'm not familiar with American crypto exchanges. What are the most popular ?

Anyway, they can always use OKEx.

Bittrex, Bitfinex, Kraken, Coinbase if they count... but it's hard to say what "most popular" means since volume isn't necessarily popularity and neither is number of registered users.
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June 14, 2019, 05:47:36 AM
#12
So where are people from the US expected to be trading their altcoins that are not listed on us exchanges?

maybe this is an option to consider:
If binance blocks the usa ips i fear it is a matter of time or more and more countries will be banned in the future with tighter and tighter crypto rulings each year.

I believe it's just problems with the US and the restricted countries



this was already expected to happen in the long run


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June 14, 2019, 05:46:08 AM
#11
Binance, the largest exchange by volume is now going to leave behind it's US based customers. Anyone verified as US citizen won't be able to trade while the IP from US would be blocked by default effective from 12th September, 2019.
Binance Dex is also blocking US IPs.

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2019/06/14/us-customers-to-be-blocked-from-trading-on-binance-com/
Bitcoin and crypto may be accepted in the US but they are heavily regulated and monitored and the law is very strict towards them, and anyone could be using them for tax deprivation and money laundering and or other illegal matters , most of the ICOs and IEO also have restricted their customers from the us from participating in them, and i probably think that is why the Binance exchange is also doing so, but at least they are blocking IP and peopele can still use VPN to use it.
hero member
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June 14, 2019, 05:44:58 AM
#10
You will be able to still access your wallet though and at the same time it's not hard changing the VPN .

Even they are planning to geo-filter and geo-ban more than 50 countries altogether.

I have no idea why they are doing this but the owner quoted saying *it's essential for the long term plans *

They get 15% of the income from US , therefore it will also take a toll on them too.
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June 14, 2019, 05:35:54 AM
#9
If binance blocks the usa ips i fear it is a matter of time or more and more countries will be banned in the future with tighter and tighter crypto rulings each year.
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June 14, 2019, 05:26:38 AM
#8
Is this the consequence of the US-China trade war being taken to another level or Binance just trying to avoid any legal infringements? To the extent of blocking us customers from its dex this sounds more serious than it is!

So where are people from the US expected to be trading their altcoins that are not listed on us exchanges? I know for sure coinbase can't handle this alt trading business for now.

sr. member
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June 14, 2019, 05:19:39 AM
#7
based on the article, it would be very unfortunate this limitation would clearly reduce Binance trading volume because traffic in the last 6 months showed the highest Binance consumer coming from US compared to other countries.
the suggestion to use a VPN to bypass the restriction will make US consumers as easy targets for criminals because there is no internet traffic security guarantee.
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June 14, 2019, 05:15:20 AM
#6
I understand that their "normal" exchange bans users from us caused of the strict laws.
But i don't understand why a "dex" bans users... ok but same with cryptobridge. all DEX which restrict some users cause of their ip arent real dex to me...
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June 14, 2019, 05:13:42 AM
#5
This is taken out of context. CZ has announced a year ago that he is planning to create 10 crypto exchange in total, 2 for each continent that is, which means that the US will have its own dedicated platform. It seems that Binance is geographically isolating traders, or just complying to regulations for each region they are working on. Honestly though, it's hard to work on a platform and consolidate regulatory compliance since one rule might differ from region to region and perhaps that's what CZ and the team is trying to avoid. Anyhow, I see it as an okay solution for the rampant manipulation still going on. Traders can still use other platforms for cross-region trading though, so I don't see anything wrong with this.
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