BIP100 surpasses BIP101 in one day with 10% of the last 24hr blocks - page 2.

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Quote from: alani123 on August 26, 2015, 03:01:13 PM

Quote from: alh on August 26, 2015, 01:06:28 PM

I mine at Slush, and my simplistic understanding is that the "usual/default" port of 3333, that's been used for years, is the BIP100 port. If you want the BIP101 blocks, then you use a different port (3334 I think). This whole BIP101/XT thing has been a complete fiasco in my opinion.

I think a more accurate headline for this thread would have been "BIP101 struggles to get 10% acceptance".

Just my BTC.001 of a BIP100 block (I hope).

They give their miners an option to vote for BIP101. Here's the announcement they made. Those that mine on the regular URLs mine regular blocks, meaning they don't take part on supporting a certain proposal.

Thanks for the Facebook pointer. You comment suggests that there are actually 3 choices:

- Abstain from expressing an opinion (i.e. the current 3333 URL)
- Vote for BIP100 (What port?)
- Vote for for BIP101 (Port 3301 from Facebook)

I would think it's also valuable to mention this on the pool website, but I found nothing there.

Anybody else confused?

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Quote from: alh on August 26, 2015, 01:06:28 PM

I mine at Slush, and my simplistic understanding is that the "usual/default" port of 3333, that's been used for years, is the BIP100 port. If you want the BIP101 blocks, then you use a different port (3334 I think). This whole BIP101/XT thing has been a complete fiasco in my opinion.

I think a more accurate headline for this thread would have been "BIP101 struggles to get 10% acceptance".

Just my BTC.001 of a BIP100 block (I hope).

They give their miners an option to vote for BIP101. Here's the announcement they made. Those that mine on the regular URLs mine regular blocks, meaning they don't take part on supporting a certain proposal.

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I mine at Slush, and my simplistic understanding is that the "usual/default" port of 3333, that's been used for years, is the BIP100 port. If you want the BIP101 blocks, then you use a different port (3334 I think). This whole BIP101/XT thing has been a complete fiasco in my opinion.

I think a more accurate headline for this thread would have been "BIP101 struggles to get 10% acceptance".

Just my BTC.001 of a BIP100 block (I hope).

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Quote from: alani123 on August 26, 2015, 11:42:08 AM

Quote from: gallery2000 on August 26, 2015, 11:12:53 AM

Quote from: pekatete on August 25, 2015, 11:38:37 AM

Thus far, looks like all BIP100 block flagging pools are doing so on the pool operators' choice rather than offering miners the vote.
Saying that, the biggest BIP101 flagging pool (slush) only has 3PH mining BIP101 flagged blocks and the rest (~20PH) opting for the status quo, so no surprise there that BIP100 surpassed the lifetime BIP101 blocks in a day.

Boycott Slush!

Well, the provide miners with an option to use their hashpower to mine blocks in support of BIP101. It's not obligatory for people using the pool to also support BIP101. You could just not not support BIP101 but keep mining in slush at the same time but that's your decision to make.

ok, I hope BIP101 is not the default.

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Quote from: gallery2000 on August 26, 2015, 11:12:53 AM

Quote from: pekatete on August 25, 2015, 11:38:37 AM

Thus far, looks like all BIP100 block flagging pools are doing so on the pool operators' choice rather than offering miners the vote.
Saying that, the biggest BIP101 flagging pool (slush) only has 3PH mining BIP101 flagged blocks and the rest (~20PH) opting for the status quo, so no surprise there that BIP100 surpassed the lifetime BIP101 blocks in a day.

Boycott Slush!

Well, they provide miners with an option to use their hashpower to mine blocks in support of BIP101. It's not obligatory for people using the pool to also support BIP101. You could just not support BIP101 but keep mining in slush at the same time but that's your decision to make.

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Quote from: pekatete on August 25, 2015, 11:38:37 AM

Thus far, looks like all BIP100 block flagging pools are doing so on the pool operators' choice rather than offering miners the vote.
Saying that, the biggest BIP101 flagging pool (slush) only has 3PH mining BIP101 flagged blocks and the rest (~20PH) opting for the status quo, so no surprise there that BIP100 surpassed the lifetime BIP101 blocks in a day.

Boycott Slush!

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Quote from: alani123 on August 25, 2015, 01:35:45 AM

What's your take on this? Will BIP100 receive more acceptance? Could it overtake BIP101 to become the accepted solution?
Read about BIP100 here:
http://gtf.org/garzik/bitcoin/BIP100-blocksizechangeproposal.pdf

Reading over the BIP100 proposal I can see it overtaking BIP101 as the accepted solution simply because its more flexible in addressing the problems at hand than BIP101.
A reasonable proposal will be met with a stronger consensus than one mired with issues in my opinion.

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Quote from: alani123 on August 25, 2015, 11:53:18 AM

Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on August 25, 2015, 11:48:03 AM

Quote from: alani123 on August 25, 2015, 11:34:55 AM

BTCChina have started signing the coinbase of their mined blocks with BIP100

What is the url of the chart you displayed with Coinbase Blocksize Vote please? The only reference I have right now is http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pools

Thanks! Just added to the article Bitcoin XT ELI5 to help others understand how dangerous Bitcoin XT is.

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on August 25, 2015, 11:48:03 AM

Quote from: alani123 on August 25, 2015, 11:34:55 AM

BTCChina have started signing the coinbase of their mined blocks with BIP100

What is the url of the chart you displayed with Coinbase Blocksize Vote please? The only reference I have right now is http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pools

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Quote from: alani123 on August 25, 2015, 11:34:55 AM

BTCChina have started signing the coinbase of their mined blocks with BIP100

What is the url of the chart you displayed with Coinbase Blocksize Vote please? The only reference I have right now is http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/

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Thus far, looks like all BIP100 block flagging pools are doing so on the pool operators' choice rather than offering miners the vote.
Saying that, the biggest BIP101 flagging pool (slush) only has 3PH mining BIP101 flagged blocks and the rest (~20PH) opting for the status quo, so no surprise there that BIP100 surpassed the lifetime BIP101 blocks in a day.

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BTCChina have started signing the coinbase of their mined blocks with BIP100

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Quote from: -ck on August 25, 2015, 10:41:59 AM

Well the thing is, BIP100 is a mechanism for going up if and when we need to, up to a maximum of 32MB which gives us likely a decade of breathing room before needing to be revisited. It is not a block size choice in and of itself. As far as the mining community goes it's the most popular one for us, since it actually hands the block size choice to miners...

I like it. A controlled paced upward movement from 1 to 2 to 4 to 6 is far better then a big jump.

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Well the thing is, BIP100 is a mechanism for going up if and when we need to, up to a maximum of 32MB which gives us likely a decade of breathing room before needing to be revisited. It is not a block size choice in and of itself. As far as the mining community goes it's the most popular one for us, since it actually hands the block size choice to miners...

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Quote from: mavericklm on August 25, 2015, 09:32:44 AM

we dont need to go up!

maybe around halving to pump it to 2mb Wink

even under spam attack, the block is under 800kb

https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

we need to show we can go upwards in a controlled organized method not a stampede of lemmings rushing up a hill only to fall off a cliff into the sea of despair.

1 upped to 2 for 12 months just to see what happens is far better then 1 to 20 or 1 to 8

After 12 months we can decide if 3 or 4 is needed. Or wait 12 more months.

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we dont need to go up!

maybe around halving to pump it to 2mb Wink

even under spam attack, the block is under 800kb

https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 25, 2015, 08:54:14 AM

Quote from: TheRealSteve on August 25, 2015, 07:27:36 AM

One thing that's peculiar about the ones signing "BIP100" is that BIP100 actually proposes (loosely, admittedly - and the details have a mathematical incompleteness without explanation) a voting mechanism using "/BVsizeinbytes/" where the exact size is specified in their vote.

So it almost seems more like an anti-vote ("we specifically don't want BIP101") than a vote for a particular size.

I am kind of on page with your take on it.

To me going from 1mb to 8mb is too much.

This proposal seems to allow for us to vote in 2mb or 3mb or anything up to 32mb.

I really push for 2mb just to see what happens. Not radical change but some change.

I think were on the same page. I think radical change is not needed. Something such as XT really is radical and I think lowering prices.

I think we need to go to up a bit but not sure on exact amount. I do want them to do it enough we are not doing this again in 6 months or even a year. But hopefully still not a radical change.

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Something I found interesting is that the XT code fork and some adoption has motivated people to come up with other schemes as well. Some not so well thought out, others like Meni's (proposed long before the code fork, though) being well thought out but with some unknown characteristics. Then there's some others that give a new take on voting by making it costly to increase the block size by making use of the block hash; https://gist.github.com/btcdrak/1c3a323100a912b605b5

The resulting brainstorming and coding efforts are fascinating

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Quote from: TheRealSteve on August 25, 2015, 07:27:36 AM

One thing that's peculiar about the ones signing "BIP100" is that BIP100 actually proposes (loosely, admittedly - and the details have a mathematical incompleteness without explanation) a voting mechanism using "/BVsizeinbytes/" where the exact size is specified in their vote.

So it almost seems more like an anti-vote ("we specifically don't want BIP101") than a vote for a particular size.

I am kind of on page with your take on it.

To me going from 1mb to 8mb is too much.

This proposal seems to allow for us to vote in 2mb or 3mb or anything up to 32mb.

I really push for 2mb just to see what happens. Not radical change but some change.

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One thing that's peculiar about the ones signing "BIP100" is that BIP100 actually proposes (loosely, admittedly - and the details have a mathematical incompleteness without explanation) a voting mechanism using "/BVsizeinbytes/" where the exact size is specified in their vote.

So it almost seems more like an anti-vote ("we specifically don't want BIP101") than a vote for a particular size.

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