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September 12, 2013, 08:29:13 AM
#29
exchange might be a better word than bank
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September 11, 2013, 06:49:59 PM
#28
So, exactly what is a "Bitcoin Bank" going to do, considering the fact that the whole purpose of Bitcoin is get rid of banks..?

The purpose of bitcoin is having an efficient currency/payment method for the digital age.

You mean Exchange instead of Bank? Because Bitcoin users dont need Bank to hold their private keys and broadcasting their transactions  Cheesy
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Are you like these guys?
September 11, 2013, 06:33:42 PM
#27
Here's an article from yesterday about Bitcoin ATM's in Canada:

http://www.ibtimes.com/worlds-first-bitcoin-atm-coming-canada-robocoin-kiosk-hits-vancouver-october-1404346

Any mainstreaming of BTC facilities has got to be a positive thing for the currency.
legendary
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September 11, 2013, 03:42:29 PM
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Spain is a good candidate, Greece probably too

I could see Greece taking to it quicker than Spain. But if they get pushed much further, it could happen. Hell of a thing if they did. Total game changer.

I put Spain first because there's a lot of libertarian, anarchist, anti-system folk around there, also bitcoin has gain some popularity in Spain after Cyprus crisis, don't know much about Greece...
legendary
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September 11, 2013, 09:01:34 AM
#25
There are countries in South America and Central America that would benefit from this if/when it catches on.  Venezuela, Argentina among others.

Given the state of the world and banks today, many people would benefit from hedging a little in bitcoin, gold, silver etc. anywhere in the world where governments want to take money from one person to give to another.   :-)


I can see why Cypriots would adopt a system that prevents their money from being taken out of their own hands.

I wonder where else, if proven effective, this could catch on next.
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September 11, 2013, 08:29:57 AM
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Spain is a good candidate, Greece probably too

I could see Greece taking to it quicker than Spain. But if they get pushed much further, it could happen. Hell of a thing if they did. Total game changer.
legendary
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September 11, 2013, 08:23:57 AM
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In Cyprus they are being covered.

Their system has very competitive rates, it will be cheaper to do business in Cyprus.

The payment system will accept bitcoin.

I can see why Cypriots would adopt a system that prevents their money from being taken out of their own hands.

I wonder where else, if proven effective, this could catch on next.

Spain is a good candidate, Greece probably too, Portugal might take a while.
newbie
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September 11, 2013, 08:14:47 AM
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In Cyprus they are being covered.

Their system has very competitive rates, it will be cheaper to do business in Cyprus.

The payment system will accept bitcoin.

I can see why Cypriots would adopt a system that prevents their money from being taken out of their own hands.

I wonder where else, if proven effective, this could catch on next.
sr. member
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September 11, 2013, 07:46:30 AM
#21
great read, thanks for putting it all up together!
legendary
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September 11, 2013, 07:44:16 AM
#20
This is the kind of thing I registered here to learn about. Really interesting, especially as it doesn't appear to have recieved much (if any) media coverage.

Forgive my complete ignorance on the whole thing, but how will this affect business in Cyprus? Will they accept BTC, or will it be necessary to exchange?

Best of luck!

In Cyprus they are being covered.

Their system has very competitive rates, it will be cheaper to do business in Cyprus.

The payment system will accept bitcoin.

So, exactly what is a "Bitcoin Bank" going to do, considering the fact that the whole purpose of Bitcoin is get rid of banks..?

The purpose of bitcoin is having an efficient currency/payment method for the digital age.
sr. member
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September 11, 2013, 06:07:04 AM
#19
So, exactly what is a "Bitcoin Bank" going to do, considering the fact that the whole purpose of Bitcoin is get rid of banks..?
newbie
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September 11, 2013, 05:00:59 AM
#18
This is the kind of thing I registered here to learn about. Really interesting, especially as it doesn't appear to have recieved much (if any) media coverage.

Forgive my complete ignorance on the whole thing, but how will this affect business in Cyprus? Will they accept BTC, or will it be necessary to exchange?

Best of luck!
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September 11, 2013, 03:14:19 AM
#17
Very informative interview of the NEOBEE guys on Ed and Ethan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNsSCvGMJP0
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September 09, 2013, 04:35:52 AM
#16
also check this article of 3 August 2013

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Bitcoin-bank just around the corner?


Great news for fans of non-state finances in general, and Bitcoin, in particular. LMB Holdings, a holding company, in its blog reports that the company plans to ensure the functioning of Ploutos, the bank and Pisti , the payment network by the end of the year.
 
According to new services makers, thus a real alternative to the traditional banking system will be created. And this alternative will be associated with a simple and convenient way to getting access and using Bitcoin digital currency, at the national level. In fact, this will be the first bank in the world based on Bitcoin virtual money.
 
Choosing Cyprus as a destination for mass Bitcoin introduction as an alternative to currency is connected to the fact that in April, this year, it is Cyprus that became a center for financial disasters. Many Cypriots and international investors have lost more than 20% of their savings to somehow support troubled banks.
 
This has led to a decrease in people’s trust to traditional banks and more stringent control for capital flows, which prevents the full banks’ functioning. In addition, the Cyprus population is not so great to cause large-scale changes, and not so small for this situation to go unnoticed.
 
As it is said in the message of LMB Holdings, the first branch of the bank will be established in Nicosia, the capital of Cyprus. The branch will work like a regular bank branch, enabling customers to create savings accounts which will be transformed into Bitcoin. All accounts will have their own numbers, so that ordinary users will have to deal with cryptography or other features of the virtual currency.
 
All the technical aspects will be carried out in the background mode for the user. Also under the new banking system the accounts which eliminate the risk due to exchange rate fluctuations will be created. At the same time, as it is noted, the system will operate in accordance with the principles of the full (one hundred percent) of banking hold.
 
In addition, its own network of payment cards for retailers and e-commerce will be created. Among the goals of the project there is educational work among the population that have faced the problems with the traditional banking system. Planned advertising campaigns are aimed at the audience of 16 to 65 year-olds that have not been using Bitcoin yet.
 
The founders of LMB Holdings and the project’s organizers believe that now is the right time to create this kind of alternative to the traditional banking system. Despite the fact that the novelties are not aimed at existing Bitcoin-community it is there where the discussion of plans began. Now they already discuss details such as the connection of outlets to a new system with the QR-codes displayed on the terminals.
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In Satoshi I Trust
September 08, 2013, 12:45:13 PM
#15
They are also coming out with BitATM in Cyprus.  I'm not sure how that's going to work though...

Bring your laptop or phone and connect it to the ATM?

Tongue

like with robocoin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SidcjCLrQM

https://robocoinkiosk.com/
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September 08, 2013, 11:08:25 AM
#14
Right time, right place, right product.

Watch out this venture, it might prove to be the catalyst for mass adoption of bitcoins in a country where the government has stolen people's deposits overnight, and then spark the adoption of bitcoin to the whole world
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September 08, 2013, 11:05:08 AM
#13
They are also coming out with BitATM in Cyprus.  I'm not sure how that's going to work though...

Bring your laptop or phone and connect it to the ATM?

Tongue
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September 08, 2013, 09:30:58 AM
#12
Cyprus is ideal for the first Bitcoin bank. People are disgusted with traditional banks.......

thank you very much for excellent analysis  Grin
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September 08, 2013, 08:50:51 AM
#11
Cyprus is ideal for the first Bitcoin bank. People are disgusted with traditional banks.

Since January 2012, Cyprus has been relying on a €2.5bn (US$3.236 billion) emergency loan from Russia to cover its budget deficit and re-finance maturing debt. The loan has an interest rate of 4.5%, with no amortization/repayment until its maturity ends after 4.5 years, and no penalty if repayment at that point of time will be delayed, in the event of a persisting lack of access for Cyprus to cover its financial needs through the normal funding markets.[19][20] The received loan was expected to cover all refinancing of maturing government debt and the amount needed for the governments continued budget deficits, until the first quarter of 2013. But the received loan did not include any funds for recapitalization of the Cypriot financial sector. Looking further ahead, it was generally expected Cyprus would need to apply for an additional bailout loan.[20]

Credit rating downgrade to 'junk'[edit source]

On 13 March 2012, Moody's slashed Cyprus's credit rating to Junk status, warning that the Cyprus government would have to inject more fresh capital into its banks to cover losses incurred through Greece's debt swap. On 25 June 2012, the day when Fitch downgraded bonds issued by Cyprus to BB+, which disqualified them from being accepted as collateral by the European Central Bank, the Cypriot government requested a bailout from the European Financial Stability Facility or the European Stability Mechanism.[16]

Request for EU intervention and agreement[edit source]

The Cypriot Government was reported requesting a bailout from the European Financial Stability Facility or the European Stability Mechanism on 25 June 2012, citing difficulties in supporting its banking sector from the exposure to the Greek debt.[21] Representatives of the Troika (the European Commission, the International Monetary Fund, and the European Central Bank) arrived on the island in July to investigate the country's financial problems, and submitted the terms of the bailout to the Cypriot government on 25 July.[22] The Cypriot government expressed disagreement over the terms, and continued negotiation with Troika representatives concerning possible alterations to them throughout the following months.[23][24]

On 20 November, the government handed its counter-proposals to the Troika on the terms of the bailout,[25] with negotiations continuing. On 30 November it was reported that Troika and the Cypriot Government had agreed on the bailout terms with only the amount of money required for the bailout remaining to be agreed upon.[26] By contrast, the IMF referred only to "good progress towards an agreement".[27] The preliminary agreement terms were made public on 30 November.[28] The austerity measures included cuts in civil service salaries, social benefits, allowances and pensions and increases in VAT, tobacco, alcohol and fuel taxes, taxes on lottery winnings, property, and higher public health care charges.[29]

Eurozone/IMF deal[edit source]

On 16 March 2013, the Eurogroup, European Commission (EC), European Central Bank (ECB) and International Monetary Fund (IMF) agreed a €10 billion deal with Cyprus,[30] making it the fifth country—after Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain—to receive money from the EU-IMF. As part of the deal, a one-off bank deposit levy of 6.7% for deposits up to €100,000 and 9.9% for higher deposits, was announced on all domestic bank accounts. Savers were due to be compensated with shares in their banks.[31] Measures were put in place to prevent withdrawal or transfer of moneys representing the prescribed levy.[32]

The deal required the approval of the Cypriot parliament, which was due to debate it on 18 March. According to President Nicos Anastasiades, failure to ratify the measures would lead to a "disorderly bankruptcy" of the country.[31] The Russian government "blasted Cyprus's bank levy, piling more pressure on the country's capital, Nicosia" ahead of the parliament's vote on the bailout. Russia had not decided at the time whether to extend its existing loan to Cyprus.[33] With the background of large demonstrations outside the House of Representatives in Nicosia by Cypriot people protesting the bank deposit levy,[34] the deal was rejected by the Cypriot parliament on 19 March 2013 with 36 votes against, 19 abstentions and one not present for the vote.[35]

On 22 March, the Cyprus legislature approved a plan to restructure the Cyprus Popular Bank, its 2nd largest bank also known as Laiki Bank, creating in the process a so-called "bad bank."[36] On 25 March, Cyprus President Anastasiades, Eurozone finance ministers, and IMF officials announced a new plan to preserve all insured deposits of 100,000 Euros or less without a levy, but shut down Laiki Bank, levying all uninsured deposits there, and levying 40% of uninsured deposits in Bank of Cyprus, held mostly by wealthy Russians and Russian Multinational corporations who use Cyprus as an offshore bank and safe tax haven. The revised agreement, expected to raise 4.2 billion Euros in return for a €10 billion bailout, does not require any further approval of the Cypriot parliament, as the legal framework for the implied solutions for Laiki Bank and Bank of Cyprus has already been accounted for in the bill passed by the parliament last week.[6][7]

When the final agreement was settled on 25 March, the idea of imposing any sort of deposit levy was dropped, as it was instead now possible to reach a mutual agreement with the Cypriot authorities accepting a direct closure of the most troubled Laiki Bank (with remaining good assets and deposits below €100,000 being saved and transferred to Bank of Cyprus (BoC), while shareholder capital would be written off, and the uninsured deposits above €100,000 - along with other creditor claims - would be lost to the degree being decided by how much the receivership subsequently can recover from liquidation of the remaining bad assets), while as an extra safety measure, uninsured deposits above €100,000 in BoC will also remain frozen until a recapitalisation has been implemented (with a possible imposed haircut if this is later deemed needed to reach the requirement for a 9% tier 1 capital ratio). The targeted closure of Laiki and recapitalisation plan for BoC helped significantly to reduce the needed loan amount for the overall bailout package, so that €10bn was still sufficient without need for imposing a general levy on bank deposits. The final conditions for activation of the bailout package was outlined by the Troika's MoU agreement, which was endorsed in full by the Cypriot House of Representatives on 30 April 2013, and include:[37][38]

“ 1.Recapitalisation of the entire financial sector while accepting a closure of the Laiki bank,
2.Implementation of the anti-money laundering framework in Cypriot financial institutions,
3.Fiscal consolidation to help bring down the Cypriot governmental budget deficit,
4.Structural reforms to restore competitiveness and macroeconomic imbalances,
5.Privatization programme.
 ”

The Cypriot debt-to-GDP ratio is on this background now forecasted only to peak at 126% in 2015 and subsequently decline to 105% in 2020, and thus considered to remain within sustainable territory. The €10bn bailout comprise €4.1bn spend on debt liabilities (refinancing and amortization), 3.4bn to cover fiscal deficits, and €2.5bn for the bank recapitalization. These amounts will be paid to Cyprus through regular tranches from 13 May 2013 until 31 March 2016. According to the programme this will be sufficient, as Cyprus during the programme period in addition will:[38]
1.Receive €1.0bn extraordinary revenue from privatization of government assets.
2.Ensure an automatic roll-over of €1.0bn maturing Treasury Bills and €1.0bn of maturing bonds held by domestic creditors.
3.Bring down the funding need for bank recapitalization with €8.7bn, of which 0.4bn is a reinjection of future profits earned by the Cyprus Central Bank (injected in advance at the short term by selling its gold reserve), and €8.3bn origin from the bail-in of creditors in Laiki Bank and Bank of Cyprus.

Given the proposed and actual element of taking deposits as part of the agreement, it was sometimes referred to as a "bail-in" rather than a bailout
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September 08, 2013, 08:37:41 AM
#10
soon will be a reality, 1st ever BitBank in the world!
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