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Topic: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg - page 169. (Read 542140 times)

legendary
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wallet download is so slow. could you please offer a fast download option. thank you.
more than two hours for about 300mb.

Are you talking about blockchain or the site?! It's actually not hosted at my server (the site) so I can't really do anything about that.
I'm assuming you are referring to the new Mac QT build?!

If you are talking about the blockchain you can download it precompiled here:
http://bitbay.market/downloads/
legendary
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I actually dont know jack shit abt Bay's coin supply.. can any1 elaborate? cuz for me, 800 sats for a 1B coin supply is just fucked up

What exactly is f*cd up about it ?

NxT - which is almost dead has a 1B supply and it trades at nearly 2000 Sats. NEM has a 9 Billion supply and it trades at 2500 Sats. SIA has a 23 Billion supply which would equate to a price of 1380 Sats with Bitbay's 1B supply.

It's just 3 years solid development getting priced in.

newbie
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I actually dont know jack shit abt Bay's coin supply.. can any1 elaborate? cuz for me, 800 sats for a 1B coin supply is just fucked up. I just wanna know what this peg thing is alot of people are talking about...

Yeah I know what you mean, the USD is a supply of infinity (if you are fed reserve) and otherwise countless trillions.

Marketcap matters not supply. What's will all these new profiles repeating the same banter?

The rolling peg allows us to vote on freezing coins and it effects all users equally. Coins then have unique liquidity so each coin would maintain those properties to everyone who receives it.

This allows us to force the price of liquid coins in a dynamic way allowing us to vote on supply constantly throughout the day.

Totally decentralized market peg. Forcing stability at the same time as allowing price growth


Alright so, marketcap is the share price x amount of shares available yes? In that sense, if this rolling peg is doing what I assume it is doing, then the price now is artificially made  to boast a higher coin price. Then as of this moment the price of BAY is overpriced since this price rise is due to artificial supply restriction and not genuine price appreciation through increased market demand. Please correct me if I am horribly wrong since I am actually not here to FUD like a mofo, I just want someone to point me to the proper direction where I can read up on the rolling peg and how important it is to how BAY works. Since liquid/illiquidity does not make sense to me at all atm... an asset is an asset is an asset.

btw, I miss you dzimbeck <3


Marketcap is coins in circulation times the amount the coin cost at the time your looking at it. The price is not artificially high by the pegging system because it is currently not out yet.

The pegging system will work by a voting system. If everyone vote to deflate bitbay by 50 Percent the system would take that percentage of coin in your wallet and put it in a timed account where it can only be move 1 month later (1 month is how long the transaction will validated ).
legendary
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wallet download is so slow. could you please offer a fast download option. thank you.
more than two hours for about 300mb.
newbie
Activity: 38
Merit: 0
I actually dont know jack shit abt Bay's coin supply.. can any1 elaborate? cuz for me, 800 sats for a 1B coin supply is just fucked up. I just wanna know what this peg thing is alot of people are talking about...

Yeah I know what you mean, the USD is a supply of infinity (if you are fed reserve) and otherwise countless trillions.

Marketcap matters not supply. What's will all these new profiles repeating the same banter?

The rolling peg allows us to vote on freezing coins and it effects all users equally. Coins then have unique liquidity so each coin would maintain those properties to everyone who receives it.

This allows us to force the price of liquid coins in a dynamic way allowing us to vote on supply constantly throughout the day.

Totally decentralized market peg. Forcing stability at the same time as allowing price growth


Alright so, marketcap is the share price x amount of shares available yes? In that sense, if this rolling peg is doing what I assume it is doing, then the price now is artificially made  to boast a higher coin price. Then as of this moment the price of BAY is overpriced since this price rise is due to artificial supply restriction and not genuine price appreciation through increased market demand. Please correct me if I am horribly wrong since I am actually not here to FUD like a mofo, I just want someone to point me to the proper direction where I can read up on the rolling peg and how important it is to how BAY works. Since liquid/illiquidity does not make sense to me at all atm... an asset is an asset is an asset.

btw, I miss you dzimbeck <3
legendary
Activity: 2412
Merit: 1044
I'm highly skeptical as to whether freezing coins can actually tame the market forces into a predictable/stable token value, especially with voting. Voting takes time, and the market moves instantly. Through what process do stakeholders determine what amount of coins to freeze, and can we trust them to accurately make that determination? Do you have insight on the incentive/game theory behind this, and perhaps investigated if there is any tragedy-of-the-commons scenario to look out for?

If I remember correctly, NuShares tried to do this and failed spectacularly. Let's not make the same mistakes.

this is nothing like NuShares. They have a centralized peg. First of all, they are closed source, use custodial wallets and do burning and offer insane interest for parking.

This is nothing like that, this is fully decentralized AND dynamic.

First of all votes are counted a few times per day. The markets client already has voting and we used it to decide on a fork. The ones invested are
the ones who have a vested interest in price, volume, stability.

Also you can do freezing based on an algorithm. It's not opt in like Nubits, its forced.

A person with 100 coins who hasn't moved it since it froze 50% when moving it sets aside 50 as frozen and 50 as liquid. The transfer of the liquid coins is thus immediate. If the coins inflate those 50 become more liquid and his frozen 50 become gradually available 1/50th for each 1% increase.

The amount of times we count the vote will determine how fast the coins freezes and unfreezes. If we count 24 times a day and each movement is 1% then it could be 24% (compound) inflation or deflation. If we only count the votes once per day at a change of 1% it is thus 1% max a day.

You will all get the option to download a "demo" client where we can force the freeze on client side so we can all play with it and get an idea for what is going to be the most reasonable freezing system.

These variables are absolutely critical. Its makes a big difference how often votes are counted, how much it deflates in each step etc.

Also there is a way to bypass the law entirely with frozen funds as they can be moved "slowly" so they are really "slowed funds". The slowed funds can be moved under the condition that they are locked for 1 month. I used to think 3 but am now thinking of making it 1. We should decide on that time span too because everything makes a difference.
newbie
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I'm highly skeptical as to whether freezing coins can actually tame the market forces into a predictable/stable token value, especially with voting. Voting takes time, and the market moves instantly. Through what process do stakeholders determine what amount of coins to freeze, and can we trust them to accurately make that determination? Do you have insight on the incentive/game theory behind this, and perhaps investigated if there is any tragedy-of-the-commons scenario to look out for?

If I remember correctly, NuShares tried to do this and failed spectacularly. Let's not make the same mistakes.
legendary
Activity: 2412
Merit: 1044
Is there a wallet you can use that will sync quicker?
I'd like to move my XEM out from exchange. I'd send it back later when I can think straight and trade for more. Which wallet can you recommend that works faster?

Our wallet downloads the chain but we have a bootstrap that doesn't need to sync most of it so I recommend that.

BitHalo for example is electrum based so it doesn't download the chain. As for altcoins very few have electrum servers. It's for your own security that the chain is downloaded because it verifies the transactions
legendary
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Also the Mac QT wallet has been updated. So anyone who used the QT wallet (not the markets one) should update to the new one.

Our stats showed almost nobody was using that wallet but please make sure to update. Let me know on slack if you are thinking of importing your old account.

And stay posted guys cause I'm working on a really nice new set of updates to the market wallet. Will update the stake pretty soon. Investigating what other things we might include with it.
legendary
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Is there a wallet you can use that will sync quicker?
I'd like to move my XEM out from exchange. I'd send it back later when I can think straight and trade for more. Which wallet can you recommend that works faster?
legendary
Activity: 2412
Merit: 1044
I actually dont know jack shit abt Bay's coin supply.. can any1 elaborate? cuz for me, 800 sats for a 1B coin supply is just fucked up. I just wanna know what this peg thing is alot of people are talking about...

Yeah I know what you mean, the USD is a supply of infinity (if you are fed reserve) and otherwise countless trillions.

Marketcap matters not supply. What's will all these new profiles repeating the same banter?

The rolling peg allows us to vote on freezing coins and it effects all users equally. Coins then have unique liquidity so each coin would maintain those properties to everyone who receives it.

This allows us to force the price of liquid coins in a dynamic way allowing us to vote on supply constantly throughout the day.

Totally decentralized market peg. Forcing stability at the same time as allowing price growth
newbie
Activity: 38
Merit: 0
I actually dont know jack shit abt Bay's coin supply.. can any1 elaborate? cuz for me, 800 sats for a 1B coin supply is just fucked up. I just wanna know what this peg thing is alot of people are talking about...
legendary
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newbie
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I thank you all for your help, guys! I do appreciate it.. great project and great team! Smiley
legendary
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Okay I have solved the issue with Mac QT wallet. Please anyone who is on Mac QT switch to the markets wallet until its fixed. Thanks. Please do not deposit to the address it has generated. Apparently it was run once and that wallet is being shared because its a wine build.

I want to stress that I have been developing the markets wallet which is a far superior wallet in terms of security.

The download was taken down until that Mac QT is updated. Thanks.
full member
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Haha, we were considering a 0.01 usd peg with our coin. Guess now the target is that much higher!
legendary
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Hi there! I download the QT Bitbay wallet for Mac some days ago and transferred all Bitbay coins from Bittrex to that wallet. Everything was fine till I opened the wallet today and my coins were gone. Apparently they were partially transferred to another address. I just started recently going into cryptocurrency so it might be the case that they are not even lost, and I just do not understand what is going on. I would appreciate if anyone could help me out. Thanks Smiley
Mika92
Could you Private Message me your receiver address? We've recently had another person also on a MAC QT Wallet that is having issues with his coins 'seemingly' stuck in 'limbo land' between his wallet and Bittrex wallet.
If I had your address I could compare the 2 on the blockexplorer and see if they are similar.

Also have you tried to open a support ticket with Bittrex? It might be worth the effort to see what they have to say about the matter.

The other person having an issues is showing his address sending and receiving his coins back and forth from his wallet to bittrex - over and over again.

Sorry this is happening to you, can't make heads or tails of it yet, but would like to help anyway we can.

Another option to try is to run a VM on your Mac. Load up a Windows or Linux Debian OS an try to load the QT wallet on that to see if the same thing is happening.

Yeah the network distribution is excellent:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/#!extraction

The hash of the Mac QT on my computer. Matches the one on the site. (I just checked it)

EDIT: SOLVED
full member
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Hi there! I download the QT Bitbay wallet for Mac some days ago and transferred all Bitbay coins from Bittrex to that wallet. Everything was fine till I opened the wallet today and my coins were gone. Apparently they were partially transferred to another address. I just started recently going into cryptocurrency so it might be the case that they are not even lost, and I just do not understand what is going on. I would appreciate if anyone could help me out. Thanks Smiley
Mika92
Could you Private Message me your receiver address? We've recently had another person also on a MAC QT Wallet that is having issues with his coins 'seemingly' stuck in 'limbo land' between his wallet and Bittrex wallet.
If I had your address I could compare the 2 on the blockexplorer and see if they are similar.

Also have you tried to open a support ticket with Bittrex? It might be worth the effort to see what they have to say about the matter.

The other person having an issues is showing his address sending and receiving his coins back and forth from his wallet to bittrex - over and over again.

Sorry this is happening to you, can't make heads or tails of it yet, but would like to help anyway we can.

Another option to try is to run a VM on your Mac. Load up a Windows or Linux Debian OS an try to load the QT wallet on that to see if the same thing is happening.
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
Hi there! I download the QT Bitbay wallet for Mac some days ago and transferred all Bitbay coins from Bittrex to that wallet. Everything was fine till I opened the wallet today and my coins were gone. Apparently they were partially transferred to another address. I just started recently going into cryptocurrency so it might be the case that they are not even lost, and I just do not understand what is going on. I would appreciate if anyone could help me out. Thanks Smiley


this is strange....do you mean they went to your local wallet ok yesterday but now you've opened it just now they are no longer there?



on another note I notice some larger whale size orders being placed for bay....support is growing Smiley
member
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Well that is the beauty of it, it doesnt need to spike incredibly high. 1$ per coin would be the dream but even 0.1$ per coin would be enough to help the marketplace function in a stable way. And the best part is that the rolling peg can help achieve that.

I didn't mean that to sound like it was a bad thing btw, in fact I think it's a great thing. Less price fluctuation is perfect for what this project is trying to achieve like you said. Nobody outside of the cryptosphere is going to want to trade on a platform where they could sell something for $50 worth of coins/tokens one day, then wake up the next only to find that their coins/tokens are now only worth $30.
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