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Plus if i do cold staking now, then I might consider doing checklocktimeverify support in the gui. Because in the "advanced sending" tab I've got multiple payees options. So locktime might go there.
And then im also thinking of multiple payors as a two step send! This would be useful for sending to a joint account because currently we have joint account support for no way for synchronous funding!
Of course you can sync fund with a smart contract by why go through the trouble we you only need to leverage 2 step send.

Its funny because if I had those two features, then a person could make a double deposit escrow without even using contract templates!

Yea that's on my list of things to do. Learn the advanced sending tab features.

So many features!
There's nothing out there that even comes close to comparing to all the options you are providing us!
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However in bitmessage, you dont know who is the originator of a message, since everyone passes it around.

I wish I knew more about this. If this is the case then why was shadow cash trying to create this ring signature tech that monero proved (back in february) doesn't work. Now shadow cash is trying a new anon approach because ring sig failed.
Yet they are using bitmessage powered network for marketplace like BitBay Halo. So why are they trying to make an anonymous feature on top of an anonymous feature?



Because there is no proof that the attack on Tor works on Bitmessage. Plus maybe you can combine Bitmessage+Tor

The article said not to combine Tor+Bitcoin. Some people even think the attack is theoretical. But you can actually set Tor yourself in Bitcoin by adding it to the config file.

In this next version I'm thinking of adding Tor support or proxy for outbound internet requests. Because right now, my client makes requests to google, davtonia, coinmarketcap and other servers

The reason im thinking of adding some of settings menu now is because I want to add cold staking. I was gonna wait for the templates to finish first but maybe its okay to do some settings now and the rest later.

The cold staking is good news for us and blackcoin. We wont be able to use cold staking until we fork. And I don't think we can use checklocktimeverify until we fork either. I've never done a fork so I need to also
learn how to do one Cheesy

Plus if i do cold staking now, then I might consider doing checklocktimeverify support in the gui. Because in the "advanced sending" tab I've got multiple payees options. So locktime might go there.
And then im also thinking of multiple payors as a two step send! This would be useful for sending to a joint account because currently we have joint account support for no way for synchronous funding!
Of course you can sync fund with a smart contract by why go through the trouble we you only need to leverage 2 step send.

Its funny because if I had those two features, then a person could make a double deposit escrow without even using contract templates!
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However in bitmessage, you dont know who is the originator of a message, since everyone passes it around.

I wish I knew more about this. If this is the case then why was shadow cash trying to create this ring signature tech that monero proved (back in february) doesn't work. Now shadow cash is trying a new anon approach because ring sig failed.
Yet they are using bitmessage powered network for marketplace like BitBay Halo. So why are they trying to make an anonymous feature on top of an anonymous feature?

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sys is blockchain based... we already went over this a few times David.

Syscoin too has encrypted messaging ontop of the blockchain protocol. The IP that people will see is the last relaying node ip and has built in TOR support (although not sur ehow much value that provides)... Once you have a release and open up the code we can sit and play with both and do the pro and con game again.

I knew it was but didn't want to be quoted on it. Plus, I wasn't sure if you made changes recently or if you do some info off the chain.
Plus, I knew you would answer this in your own words Grin

Notice how on reddit when i spoke out against OB I didn't mention Sys. Thats because you support DDE and of course multiple other reasons.
Actually that post was more against the outrageous claims made by BitSquare and their omission of Halo.

By the way, be careful with TOR and Bitcoin, it makes you less anonymous.
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-tor-anonymity-can-busted-2500-month/

Commenters say its only possible in theory but the fud comes from both sides. I think its logical to correlate IP addresses on Tor to a Bitcoin network. In fact, maybe even bitmessage runs similar risk.

However in bitmessage, you dont know who is the originator of a message, since everyone passes it around.
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How does the bitbay decentralized market compare with the syscoin market and their roadmap?
How does it compare with the openbazaar?
Maybe someone should do a video about this.

Well because the contracts can't be broken, its the best way to run a decentralized market. Also, its not blockchain based... and is completely anonymous.

I'm not sure if sys is blockchain based or not... I think OB is p2p.

I just posted about the serious security problems with OB and their use of arbiters. You can't use 3rd parties since they can steal the escrow.

Also, they have no way of deciding who is lying in a dispute and are forced to guess.

The markets we have here are tested for over a year now, there is almost no bugs we are pretty much at release candidate.
Aside from just markets Halo itself has like 20 different features. OB doesn't do anything other than markets.

There is templates like the cash for coins with price tracking.

And lastly there has been a reputation system that has been working for a while now. So lots of advantages, now its just a matter of expanding and marketing.
Plus, I've got lots of work to do with NT and the remaining templates/pegging.
sys is blockchain based... we already went over this a few times David.

Syscoin too has encrypted messaging ontop of the blockchain protocol. The IP that people will see is the last relaying node ip and has built in TOR support (although not sur ehow much value that provides)... Once you have a release and open up the code we can sit and play with both and do the pro and con game again.
legendary
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How does the bitbay decentralized market compare with the syscoin market and their roadmap?
How does it compare with the openbazaar?
Maybe someone should do a video about this.

Well because the contracts can't be broken, its the best way to run a decentralized market. Also, its not blockchain based... and is completely anonymous.

I'm not sure if sys is blockchain based or not... I think OB is p2p.

I just posted about the serious security problems with OB and their use of arbiters. You can't use 3rd parties since they can steal the escrow.

Also, they have no way of deciding who is lying in a dispute and are forced to guess.

The markets we have here are tested for over a year now, there is almost no bugs we are pretty much at release candidate.
Aside from just markets Halo itself has like 20 different features. OB doesn't do anything other than markets.

There is templates like the cash for coins with price tracking.

And lastly there has been a reputation system that has been working for a while now. So lots of advantages, now its just a matter of expanding and marketing.
Plus, I've got lots of work to do with NT and the remaining templates/pegging.
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How does the bitbay decentralized market compare with the syscoin market and their roadmap?
How does it compare with the openbazaar?
Maybe someone should do a video about this.
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Hey guys, I wanted to share the scripts(SH files) I've had custom made for building watchonly bitbayd on windows(from linux) linux and mac. These were useful to me while building the newest BitBay release. Smiley
These build by simply running a script.
Can be easily modified for building qt (although i dont maintain the qt and not sure if i even have oxidians qt in there).
Just download the script for your system, open a console and run! It requires the same VMs I used but most likely any system will work so you only need to remove the check for the OS.
www.github.com/dzimbeck/bitbay
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Hey David,
With the rolling peg system in place, I have a feeling a lot of volume will come from investors hedging from the volatility of other crypto, especially BTC.

When python contracts are incorporated into the client, wouldn't they be able to create a whole new avenue for investors to create automated trading inside the client?
So for example if an investor had a stop loss on BTC at 455.00, if the price hit that level, with python, he could essentially have created an automated order that would scan the client's market (with your price tracking feature) for the lowest priced sell orders (in Bays) and automate a trade with that contract when his stop loss alarm hit? For the fastest potential contracts you could have sellers and buyers on the client that also have automated contracts wishing to buy BTC, LTC, etc., or sell BAY for BTC, LTC, etc., thus the programs would find each other to maximize efficiency of the negotiation stages of the contract.

You and I finished one the other day in 10 minutes. And heck you said you already know a way to speed up bitmessage for a quicker network.


And the same concept could be used with a take profit program or trail stop program
And of course this could be said for any crypto coin an investors are trading in with an active liquid market on the client.

Am I right on this concept?



Well a python contract is really just a programmable barter contract since it requires 2 peers to execute. If they want to put automated stop losses on a market wouidnt that require some sort of bot?

Okay. Yeah, I guess I'm just a little confused on the potential capabilities of python contracts. With python I thought one could pretty much program anything. I mean with DDE you could virtually barter any agreement because it's backed by the deposit collateral.
legendary
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Hey David,
With the rolling peg system in place, I have a feeling a lot of volume will come from investors hedging from the volatility of other crypto, especially BTC.

When python contracts are incorporated into the client, wouldn't they be able to create a whole new avenue for investors to create automated trading inside the client?
So for example if an investor had a stop loss on BTC at 455.00, if the price hit that level, with python, he could essentially have created an automated order that would scan the client's market (with your price tracking feature) for the lowest priced sell orders (in Bays) and automate a trade with that contract when his stop loss alarm hit? For the fastest potential contracts you could have sellers and buyers on the client that also have automated contracts wishing to buy BTC, LTC, etc., or sell BAY for BTC, LTC, etc., thus the programs would find each other to maximize efficiency of the negotiation stages of the contract.

You and I finished one the other day in 10 minutes. And heck you said you already know a way to speed up bitmessage for a quicker network.


And the same concept could be used with a take profit program or trail stop program
And of course this could be said for any crypto coin an investors are trading in with an active liquid market on the client.

Am I right on this concept?



Well a python contract is really just a programmable barter contract since it requires 2 peers to execute. If they want to put automated stop losses on a market wouidnt that require some sort of bot?
hero member
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Hey David,
With the rolling peg system in place, I have a feeling a lot of volume will come from investors hedging from the volatility of other crypto, especially BTC.

When python contracts are incorporated into the client, wouldn't they be able to create a whole new avenue for investors to create automated trading inside the client?
So for example if an investor had a stop loss on BTC at 455.00, if the price hit that level, with python, he could essentially have created an automated order that would scan the client's market (with your price tracking feature) for the lowest priced sell orders (in Bays) and automate a trade with that contract when his stop loss alarm hit? For the fastest potential contracts you could have sellers and buyers on the client that also have automated contracts wishing to buy BTC, LTC, etc., or sell BAY for BTC, LTC, etc., thus the programs would find each other to maximize efficiency of the negotiation stages of the contract.

You and I finished one the other day in 10 minutes. And heck you said you already know a way to speed up bitmessage for a quicker network.


And the same concept could be used with a take profit program or trail stop program
And of course this could be said for any crypto coin an investors are trading in with an active liquid market on the client.

Am I right on this concept?

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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
Is there still a marketing team? after the new templates are completed let's have another push.
It was good when there was a thread on the main section.
I know some people are working hard in the background making videos and things.
Also do we need to decide on when we are going pos3?
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Has BAY ever considered a name change?? Personally i love the name but all that shit that went down is still the first thing that comes to mind, atleast for crypto people who were around then. Prob 2 much trouble?? I agree that that it shouldnt matter but still worried that maybe it does!?


Easily fixed by just marketing more, publishing articles etc

When? You are missing the boat. Look at syscoin. $80k volume today. Bitbay $100. . . Says it all

Bitbay have better tech but sys can market

I cant market and code at the same time, there is too much left to code. Need someone to do my PR and help me secure articles, ive offered to pay for more articles.

Also syscoin is on poloniex. Who knows why they have volume, thats not my concern man. Could be any reason not going to make assumptions.
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dogs are cute.
Has BAY ever considered a name change?? Personally i love the name but all that shit that went down is still the first thing that comes to mind, atleast for crypto people who were around then. Prob 2 much trouble?? I agree that that it shouldnt matter but still worried that maybe it does!?


Easily fixed by just marketing more, publishing articles etc

When? You are missing the boat. Look at syscoin. $80k volume today. Bitbay $100. . . Says it all

Bitbay have better tech but sys can market
legendary
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Has BAY ever considered a name change?? Personally i love the name but all that shit that went down is still the first thing that comes to mind, atleast for crypto people who were around then. Prob 2 much trouble?? I agree that that it shouldnt matter but still worried that maybe it does!?


Easily fixed by just marketing more, publishing articles etc
legendary
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Has BAY ever considered a name change?? Personally i love the name but all that shit that went down is still the first thing that comes to mind, atleast for crypto people who were around then. Prob 2 much trouble?? I agree that that it shouldnt matter but still worried that maybe it does!?
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I think many people be ignorant of BAY at the moment
The whole community should promote BAY!
BAY is on of the underrated coins i have ever seen... Shocked
We should change this.


unfortunately many people only know about Bitbay because of the ICO scam so when you say Bitbay thats all they think.

A few positive news articles would be great for Bays PR


This should make no difference. This is not one of those scams where the scammers still have involvement and are set to gain from here on. This the type of scam where the people left are the scammed. Therefore there is no need to treat them as a pariah coin.

It is simply that people do not know about bitbay or do not understand the advantages and features bitbay offers.

When the new templates are out and we run some campaigns to get people to use the marketplace , then we will start to see a growing number of people becoming involved.

Speed seems to be the main issue, but there is only so much one developer can do.

As a community we should get together and form a foundation so that we can discuss marketing and other things that can be done to assist bitbay.

Before marketing we just need to make sure everything is spot on with the market place. I think we need to get on to POS3 , get all the bugs ironed out that we can. Get the blockchain thing set up so people wishing to use can sync up in a few mins. Have all the instrucitonal vids and everything  in place so total noobs can come , see how to use it, and start using it with minimum effort and stress.

The main problems btc is facing right now are problems bitbay should seek to avoid. We need to have a way of voting on things and a way to ensure that bitbay can scale up to huge adoption if required. We don't want to be held back by huge blockchains and slow tx per sec.

 

Everything you said here is true. Also the distribution in an ICO is always going to be better than some ninja premine. Some of the top coins are only high cause dev premined 100%... I guess that is similar to "pegging" haha. Honestly, why would anyone care about the people who started the project when they are long gone. We have all the tools we need to be successful and everyone loves a good come back story. And you know we are almost back to ICO price which is very nice.

If course we are lacking marking and education. Also fast sync is a weekly topic on slack.. I know how bad they want that. I've got to wait until the prime features are done first before entertaining the idea of using online block explorers. So they are interested in packaging bootstrap but that still takes a little bit to get synced up.
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I suggest, we should add BAY on "Wikipedia"
It is good for the trust, and the google rankings will be better, it is a free advertisement Wink

Can anyone add to wikipedia? If so thats a pretty good idea.
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