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Topic: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg - page 337. (Read 542094 times)

legendary
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More bad new in the crypt space, evolution for the dark net has ran off with $12M in btc which is around 44,000 btc now the bitcoin has started to go into a bear market (more then likely from there dump). I'm starting to think that these actions are orchestrated to devalue BTC and the crypt world. They can't mine them because it will make it harder for them and they won't buy it because that would increase it's value, so the only thing left is to steal it and dump it.  These decentralized markets are the only thing left to ignite the crypto world.

I agree with you totally. Its no mystery that most of the worlds major intelligence organizations are intimately involved. Of course they also have access to some of the most amazing hackers. There is so many backdoors even in the hardware we use. So honestly this is always going to be a fight for the best security. However, thats why decentralized markets and control of supply/hedging/pegging are so important. Eventually this market will change and tech will be the most valuable thing of all.

After all it was the tech behind bitcoin that got us here... i think the manipulators and thieves always forget that. Also, worshiping Bitcoin is almost worse than worshiping the dollar. People tend to forget that the true innovation is decentralization.
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More bad new in the crypt space, evolution for the dark net has ran off with $12M in btc which is around 44,000 btc now the bitcoin has started to go into a bear market (more then likely from there dump). I'm starting to think that these actions are orchestrated to devalue BTC and the crypt world. They can't mine them because it will make it harder for them and they won't buy it because that would increase it's value, so the only thing left is to steal it and dump it.  These decentralized markets are the only thing left to ignite the crypto world.
legendary
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BitBay Faucet is great idea and just donated 10 Bay.Thanks Grin Grin Grin

Last of the big spenders, lol 10 Smiley
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sr. member
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don t touch my Bits
BitBay Faucet is great idea and just donated 10 Bay.Thanks Grin Grin Grin
legendary
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New BitBay faucet

faucet.coin43.com/bitbay

1 - 2 BAY every 30 minutes

pls support faucet and consider donating, direct faucet wallet address available on website
nice work!

The donation address is an BAY address? since when I search this address on the explorer it does not find anything.

Wouldnt be the meaning to send donations to an wrong address :O!

Maybe nobody donated yet? We can leave the link in and see as long as the faucet is legit if we find out its not being maintained then we can change to another faucet. Hopefully they will respond here.

I thought it would be transparent.

So The address where you can send donations to, is also the address that pays out the BAY's.

Maybe? Can you please pm the guy and find out? I'm not sure he is reading this thread.
hero member
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New BitBay faucet

faucet.coin43.com/bitbay

1 - 2 BAY every 30 minutes

pls support faucet and consider donating, direct faucet wallet address available on website
nice work!

The donation address is an BAY address? since when I search this address on the explorer it does not find anything.

Wouldnt be the meaning to send donations to an wrong address :O!

Maybe nobody donated yet? We can leave the link in and see as long as the faucet is legit if we find out its not being maintained then we can change to another faucet. Hopefully they will respond here.

I thought it would be transparent.

So The address where you can send donations to, is also the address that pays out the BAY's.
legendary
Activity: 2412
Merit: 1044
New BitBay faucet

faucet.coin43.com/bitbay

1 - 2 BAY every 30 minutes

pls support faucet and consider donating, direct faucet wallet address available on website
nice work!

The donation address is an BAY address? since when I search this address on the explorer it does not find anything.

Wouldnt be the meaning to send donations to an wrong address :O!

Maybe nobody donated yet? We can leave the link in and see as long as the faucet is legit if we find out its not being maintained then we can change to another faucet. Hopefully they will respond here.
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
New BitBay faucet

faucet.coin43.com/bitbay

1 - 2 BAY every 30 minutes

pls support faucet and consider donating, direct faucet wallet address available on website
nice work!

The donation address is an BAY address? since when I search this address on the explorer it does not find anything.

Wouldnt be the meaning to send donations to an wrong address :O!
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
New BitBay faucet

faucet.coin43.com/bitbay

1 - 2 BAY every 30 minutes

pls support faucet and consider donating, direct faucet wallet address available on website

Thanks! Saved the link.

bitbay faucet has been added on my FB forum  Wink

Thank you!
I have added the faucet to BitBays wallet in the links inside the client.

So I wanted the entire community to know, anything you develop for Bitbay and any services or news sources and possibly blogs will probably be listed in the links in the BitBay client. This way all of the communities contributions will be easy to find!


Nice idea, thanks for creating the Faucet!

We should do what David says and keep all community driven projects etc in the client.

And as well on the website when that gets fixed as well.

legendary
Activity: 2412
Merit: 1044
New BitBay faucet

faucet.coin43.com/bitbay

1 - 2 BAY every 30 minutes

pls support faucet and consider donating, direct faucet wallet address available on website

Thanks! Saved the link.

bitbay faucet has been added on my FB forum  Wink

Thank you!
I have added the faucet to BitBays wallet in the links inside the client.

So I wanted the entire community to know, anything you develop for Bitbay and any services or news sources and possibly blogs will probably be listed in the links in the BitBay client. This way all of the communities contributions will be easy to find!
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
New BitBay faucet

faucet.coin43.com/bitbay

1 - 2 BAY every 30 minutes

pls support faucet and consider donating, direct faucet wallet address available on website

Thanks! Saved the link.

bitbay faucet has been added on my FB forum  Wink
legendary
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First of all, your public key is used as your identity so you cant lie to the market. Everyone records what they see as an internal reputation system.

So, if I found a way to scam the system, I couldn't scam someone, delete my key, make a new one and be a new user ready to scam someone else?

Lol of course no, the reputation system is just an added bonus. You cant steal or lie in this system because of double deposit escrow. Did you want to test the markets? PM me.
legendary
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too many bitbay threads
which the correct,..
confused  Huh Huh Huh

This one and only this one.
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First of all, your public key is used as your identity so you cant lie to the market. Everyone records what they see as an internal reputation system.

So, if I found a way to scam the system, I couldn't scam someone, delete my key, make a new one and be a new user ready to scam someone else?
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As a former ebay seller the dawn of decentralized markets is exciting. I am still curious whether the pegging can work or not though, the idea of buying a million coins for a few hundred dollars and becoming a millionaire overnight seems impossible, but then again Bitcoin proved anything is possible.

It's probably improbable. From what I've gathered, the peg would start at .01 USD. The price would be maintained by controlling the supply by freezing 90+% of the coins that are held in wallets. Controlling the supply is how central banks maintain pegs in countries whose currency is pegged to another, more stable currency.
legendary
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too many bitbay threads
which the correct,..
confused  Huh Huh Huh
legendary
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Wrt transaction times, if I would want to buy DOGE using BTC, and having BLK as collateral, wouldn't the slow BTC confirmations still dictate the swiftness of the trade no matter how fast BLK confirms? i.e. the smart contract would release the collateral only after BTC has gotten its first confirmation (or however many confirms the users have configured)?


In theory DRK isnt trustless because you can still track the blockchain mixer by watching the outputs. I think it would be fairly easy to write a script to reverse it.

If it was that easy, it would've already been done. Believe me, people are trying. It's a whole lot more complicated than a mixer which you can observe, but it's off-topic anyway and too large of a subject to cover here.


Hell, if they really wanted anon, they should try zero knowledge proof. Thats like the holy grail.

It's proven to be hard (impossible?) to set up trustlessly (to prove no more coins can be created out of thin air by those who create the setup parameters) and/or without the proofs getting huge and crippling the performance and scalability.

You point about Doge/BTC in a contract secure by BLK is 100% accurate. Doge is slowed down because it had to wait for the slow Bitcoin confirmations. Sadly, there is no way around this. However, i think we can use give the users an option to use a 3rd party service that checks Bitcoin mempools to have faster Bitcoin confirmations (this can be if both parties have agreed to it). That only works on Bitcoin because Bitcoin is very centralized.

Regardless, if you trade Node/Doge then the Node confirmations would be instant and they would have to wait for Doge. However, NightTrader does everything for you automatically! It loads all 3 wallets, it watches for all the transactions and it automatically fulfills the contract. So as long as you leave your client running, your trade should normally take no more than an hour(depending on how many transactions). IF for example you chose to trade 1 BTC for 1 BTC of Doge under a BlackHalo NT contract, we have to know how many transactions it needed to fund. Lets say it funds .1 btc at a time. So the BC contract would create a .2btc deposit contract and trade .1 10 times. So it would take about an hour.

However, if you traded BitBay for BC under the same contract it would take 10 minutes. So faster currencies would fund really quick in NT. And besides it is worth it, decentralized exchange with no trading fees and no middle coin!



You may be right about DRK coin mixer. Even Tor had security issues though so we know that security will always need improvement. As for Zero Knowledge proof, your point about "impossible to set up the network" is true for non-interactive proofs such as Zk-Snarks. For interactive proofs, then that trust issue isnt required. To make it "non-interactive" trust is required for the person who set up the network, they would know the secret and could take advantage of that knowledge. Additionally, interactive proofs would eat up a lot of bandwidth and processing time. Zk-Snark is much lighter in weight.

Actually, the bigger challenge with zero is simply figuring out a protocol!! Think of how many questions need to be asked to generate a proof. Aka "Is it a wallet on the network?", "Yes", "Are there coins in it?". "Yes"... and so on for each programming step you want to hide. Its intense. However, I do think it CAN be done and done efficiently. Unfortunately, i dont have the time to work on zero.


The best ANON is still in Halo/NT because when I send you DRK(especially with the mixer) and you send me BTC there is absolutely no way to prove that was done because its two totally unrelated networks. There is no link from A to B and because no exchange was used its not possible to know the users who performed that trade. At best, you would need to collect data from the Markets to somehow try and solve who was trading at that specific time (but actually, the same attack can be used on interactive zero).
hero member
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Wrt transaction times, if I would want to buy DOGE using BTC, and having BLK as collateral, wouldn't the slow BTC confirmations still dictate the swiftness of the trade no matter how fast BLK confirms? i.e. the smart contract would release the collateral only after BTC has gotten its first confirmation (or however many confirms the users have configured)?


In theory DRK isnt trustless because you can still track the blockchain mixer by watching the outputs. I think it would be fairly easy to write a script to reverse it.

If it was that easy, it would've already been done. Believe me, people are trying. It's a whole lot more complicated than a mixer which you can observe, but it's off-topic anyway and too large of a subject to cover here.


Hell, if they really wanted anon, they should try zero knowledge proof. Thats like the holy grail.

It's proven to be hard (impossible?) to set up trustlessly (to prove no more coins can be created out of thin air by those who create the setup parameters) and/or without the proofs getting huge and crippling the performance and scalability.
legendary
Activity: 2412
Merit: 1044
New BitBay faucet

faucet.coin43.com/bitbay

1 - 2 BAY every 30 minutes

pls support faucet and consider donating, direct faucet wallet address available on website

Thanks! Saved the link.
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