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Topic: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg - page 347. (Read 542094 times)

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This is probably a silly question. But I don't remember this when I had the first wallet. I am staking with about 2 million Bay. My stake weight is always changing, along with my spendable amount. Last time I staked I thought it used the entire balance which was also spendable... This is not a complaint. I am happy but curious how that works.

Never a silly question. You are already smarter than half the vets of cryptoland. If you are not trying to sell your POS coins, then it should be in your wallet staking - where a middleman can't screw things up for ya.

I'm no expert, but maybe with the new wallet, it caused the coin age to reset back to 0 days/hours maturity? Though after each maturity, the coins split and continue to split into smaller fractions. In theory this supposedly just allows you to accumulate smaller amounts of stake rewards but at a faster rate, so in theory, it's the same amount of interest  as if you had a maximum amount of coins maturing at the hourly set limit, yet over time you'll just get fractions every few seconds (depends on block time). Supposedly helps secure the network that way.

My question for anyone to answer is... what is the set amount of fractions the coin splits into and who dictates that amount??? So let's say you have 2 million coins, and after a year of constant staking, those coins split into 1 coin stake rewards and continue to split even more... How exactly does the entire wallet stake all the mature coins on hold if these splits can only allow so much to stake per block time reward and continue to split?
Shouldn't there be a set limit to how many maturity splits are allowed? LIke I  said in my example if I have on average 1 coin stake per 1 minute block time (or whatever it is) that's only 60 coins staking per hour x 24 hours x 365 days = 525,600 coins out of the original 2,000,000 staking. Granted I'm just giving a generalized example,  but can anyone explain what I'm missing here?

Thanks in advance!





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Well I have 50% of my bitbay there and 3 btc. I dont think the altcoins are a problem. Just asked Steven but I dont know. I guess after Bitbay and NXT anyone should have seen this coming. It means we need to find more exchanges to host aside from Bittrex. If I had the time i would finish NightTrader. But im overworked.
legendary
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wow an other blow up for crypto community.l have 4.5 btc there.

All by BAY is on there  Roll Eyes
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This is probably a silly question. But I don't remember this when I had the first wallet. I am staking with about 2 million Bay. My stake weight is always changing, along with my spendable amount. Last time I staked I thought it used the entire balance which was also spendable... This is not a complaint. I am happy but curious how that works.
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BTC were stolen not BitBay. Be calm  Wink
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Latest news from BTer: 7170 BTC got stolen from our cold wallet  Shocked

Man I feel lucky. I just moved my coins out last night to start staking. Woke up and this. Sorry to those who have coins there.
legendary
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Latest news from BTer: 7170 BTC got stolen from our cold wallet  Shocked
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don t touch my Bits
I used to hold ALL my coins on Bter. It was the exchange I started on and always used. Then the Bitbay plunder happened and I immediately moved everything I had from that place. 

So although I lost -some- coins to Bob & Co the experience itself was enough for me to wisen up on Bter.

I really hope everyone gets their coins back. But damn I'm glad that Bitbay provided this silverlining to me.
Glad that u have moved all your coins from there,))
sr. member
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I used to hold ALL my coins on Bter. It was the exchange I started on and always used. Then the Bitbay plunder happened and I immediately moved everything I had from that place. 

So although I lost -some- coins to Bob & Co the experience itself was enough for me to wisen up on Bter.

I really hope everyone gets their coins back. But damn I'm glad that Bitbay provided this silverlining to me.
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don t touch my Bits
wow an other blow up for crypto community.l have 4.5 btc there.
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Yeah, I'm glad I don't have any coin there. That message does not sound too good.
legendary
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cant wait for pegging plan,..  Grin Grin
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Hi all,

I'm new to Bitbay!

Got one question for now...

... can a dev explain to me how pegging can still keep a decentralized system intact?

As I'm confused...
...are we not here as a whole trying to break free from fiat centralization construct?

Trust me, I'm 'all for' a stable priced cryptocurrency, but as I've briefly glanced over Nubits tech, it seems that they 'dictate' when someone can sell their coins?
Correct me where I'm wrong as I might just not see the big picture?


I've got a few ideas of my own as to how this could work, but I'd like to hear dev's prospective on the matter first. I know this "pegging" concept is still in dev state and somewhat secretive, but as you devs have made clear - it's coming to Bitbay.  I respect the privacy on the matter, but yet, can you guaranty that it still fits the "decentralized" molding that make crypto what was, is, and hopefully should always be?
A way for people to store and transact credits and debits without a centralized bank/government 'dictating' how it's going to be done and at the owner's expense?


Thanks in advance!










As you said the pegging is still under development, so that limits how clear an answer we can give you. Pegging is naturally about controlling supply and demand. The easy version of it would be buy and sell walls. If we were to peg bay to its current value that would be easy with buy and sell walls. 100 bitcoin would be a pretty unbreakable buy wall at today's price. Pegging bay to $1 however would require an insane amount of bitcoin. We can use walls at those levels, but only to flatten minor movements in price. Instead of locking enormous amounts of bitcoin in a wall, we are looking at the supply instead. By freezing a percentage of the bay in everyone's wallet we reduce supply to a level where it meets demand at the price we want. This can be done in different ways, and the main difference between strategies is whether it is a voluntary freeze or a forced one. A voluntary freeze would of course only affect those that voluntarily freeze their holdings, and might be a good mechanism to handle small to medium changes in demand to the downside. The big changes to the downside and also increased demand for bay would have to be dealt with by changing the percentages of frozen bay in everyone's wallet. I assume this is what your question is about. How will that be dealt with? Who makes the decision when to freeze and release bay? This can also be handled in different ways. Main models being automated versus controlled by humans. An automated model would work very much like a trading bot, only it would freeze and release bay in everyone's wallet instead of placing orders. It would also inherit the weaknesses of a trading bot, and can be manipulated. That means we might need a team to monitor and tweak it. So the most decentralized solution would in fact be the most centralized. With humans there are two basic models. A council versus everyone voting. We are leaning towards everyone voting, because we also believe in decentralized systems.
At first glance you would think a pegging system is a straight forward thing. You just have to decide whether to use buy and sell wall or control of supply. However the devil is in the details. Should we use a hard or a soft peg for instance? I.e. do we peg it to $1 exactly or $1 +/- 20%? Do we peg it to $1 directly or do we use a rolling peg starting at say $0.01? Do we handle small fluctuations in demand the same way we handle big ones? How do we encourage the flow of bay between exchanges, merchants and consumers? There are pros and cons with everything. The choices we make on every question influences the whole system, and thus also what mechanism or mix of tools we need to use to achieve our goal.
So to answer your question: We want it to be decentralized too, and we think voting is the way to go. But voting may not be practical for every fluctuation, so it is likely that it will be used for the major decisions, and that we use other methods for handling small fluctuations.

NB. If you have ideas I'd like to hear them. Please send me a pm


This was a really good explanation. Its exactly how I would have described it. Thanks for the input. I'm really thinking a "rolling hedge/peg" is superior to a hard peg. Because why not grow the price to get the volume? Then the walls required would be lower and adoption higher. After we have found stability, we can vote only to maintain it. The beauty is, we don't have to depend on centralized custodial wallets.
legendary
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One other quick idea to throw out there before I'm off to work.

Is there anyway the pegging could be based on keeping Bitbay stabilized comparable to a commodity like, gold, silver, etc... rather than the US dollar?? Because in general, if a coin is based off the dollar then it's going to do nothing but lose value over time  Grin Cheesy
You got a point when you say that the golden days of the USD are over and pegging with USD in mind is betting on the wrong horse.
As it looks now the Chinese Yuan would be a better idea indeed. Pairing it to commodities like gold or silver or whatever, is a risky business imo.
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One other quick idea to throw out there before I'm off to work.

Is there anyway the pegging could be based on keeping Bitbay stabilized comparable to a commodity like, gold, silver, etc... rather than the US dollar?? Because in general, if a coin is based off the dollar then it's going to do nothing but lose value over time  Grin Cheesy

Well gold or silver can lose their value as well.

There is nothing in this world with a stable value I guess Tongue
hero member
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One other quick idea to throw out there before I'm off to work.

Is there anyway the pegging could be based on keeping Bitbay stabilized comparable to a commodity like, gold, silver, etc... rather than the US dollar?? Because in general, if a coin is based off the dollar then it's going to do nothing but lose value over time  Grin Cheesy
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