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Topic: Bitcoin address Vs Genetic variability (Read 2101 times)

sr. member
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September 06, 2018, 02:36:32 AM
#24
Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto was pretty confident on the unlimited number of times one can generate a bitcoin wallet address, he even said, "generate all you want!" He was convinced that the same wallet need not to be used twice.

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When you generate a new bitcoin address, it only takes disk space on your own computer (like 500 bytes).  It's like generating a new PGP private key, but less CPU intensive because it's ECC.  The address space is effectively unlimited.  It doesn't hurt anyone, so generate all you want.


Though i'm really in no position to engage on the debate of bitcoin address against generic variability. All i know is that one person can have a multitude of wallets as he wants, that's pretty enough for me. #winks
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September 05, 2018, 07:28:45 PM
#23
i think when we generated the private key to get new address, its immposble that the private key is genereated twice, we can see that there are mnay characters in the private key and its dont have any pattern, i think its possible that private key generated twice but with 1:1000000000000000 possibility
newbie
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July 21, 2018, 07:58:56 PM
#22
There are many more features along with code properties in DNA
jr. member
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July 28, 2014, 05:57:03 AM
#21
Common people? Those without a Royal title? I didn't know that royalty had a better grasp of bitcoin than the rest of us.
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July 28, 2014, 04:28:51 AM
#19
Even if you assume that the genes are all there is in the genetic data (which I think has fallen out of favor long ago), and that only 1000 of them have an alternative form, it would give you around 10300 combinations, which is interestingly still magnitudes higher than the number of particles in the universe.

Basically, private key generation doesn't even come close. Yet it is practically impossible to generate the same key in different conditions. Large numbers are confusing.
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July 28, 2014, 04:27:10 AM
#18
Depends on how you count. If you look at it as meaningless data, the possible combinations are magnitudes higher than the number of particles in the observable universe.
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July 28, 2014, 12:58:45 AM
#17
DNA is ~1.5Gb of data whereas a private key is 32 bytes of data, so there's far (far far) more data in DNA than in a private key. Hence DNA can hold many more possibilities than a private key could.

However the amount of actual variance found between humans is tiny. Humans share 99.9% of their DNA with each other. Still 0.01% * 1.5Gb = 1.5 Mb, still far far bigger than the 32 bytes in a private key.

Conclusion: Genetic variance is many orders of magnitude vaster than bitcoin private key space.
hero member
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July 17, 2014, 01:42:49 AM
#16
all hail the majestic genes...
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July 16, 2014, 11:43:55 PM
#15
So if you dont look at the possible combinations, but the randomness, BTC addresses win out correct?

If the genome would be randomly distributed. That is: each kid would be random and had an idenpendent genetical code from the parents.
BTC address would not "win". Not even close.

46000000000 >> 2160

may it helps so see if we convert 2160 (possible keys/addresses) to base 4. That 480. Do you see how big a difference this is now? There are 4 5,999,999,920 more possible humans than there are possible private keys. Even if you consider that 99.99% of all humans have the same genome and differ only in 0.01% of it. Even that tiny part of the genetic code has more possibilities than bitcoin.

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Mit etwa 3,27 Milliarden Basenpaaren hätte das Genom des Menschen demnach einen maximal möglichen Informationsgehalt von 6,54 Milliarden bit oder 780 MiB.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genom

Use a translator or search for the english version (I cant find it). Bitcoin has 160 bit, the genome has 6.54 billion.

hero member
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July 16, 2014, 01:07:11 PM
#14
to calculate this for the genome, you have to take into account that there are only "very few" variations per sequence possible and most of them are not known. e.g. think of all the mutilated babies wherever depleted uranium ammunition has been used http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34351.htm
hero member
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July 16, 2014, 12:45:31 PM
#13
So if you dont look at the possible combinations, but the randomness, BTC addresses win out correct?

yeah in randomness bitcoin wins
sr. member
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July 16, 2014, 11:22:09 AM
#12
So if you dont look at the possible combinations, but the randomness, BTC addresses win out correct?
sr. member
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July 16, 2014, 04:03:43 AM
#11
Identical twins have identical genomes, although they might still be distinguishable on an epigenomic level.

Furthermore, the distribution of genetic changes in humans differs depending on what part of the genome you are talking about. Some areas have high variability (e.g. single nucleotide polymorphisms and variable tandem repeats) even among closely-related individuals, while other parts of the genome rarely change.
legendary
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July 16, 2014, 03:24:56 AM
#10
yeah I get it now.. you used 0.001 since 99.99% of all human genome is same.  


so finally there are more genetic combinations than btc address combinations...




Yes and not just a little more but the human genome is a totally different ballpark. Think of: seconds in a minute relate to possible btc addresses like possible btc adresses relate to possible different humans.

Thats just something I came up with, its not based on the numbers since I cant find a calculator that can work out the big numbers youd need fot the human genome.

Also human distribution is dependend. You are not like any possible human at random, but you are part of each of your parents.
True this. Genetics aren't random. BTC addresses are.
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July 16, 2014, 02:56:38 AM
#9
yeah I get it now.. you used 0.001 since 99.99% of all human genome is same.  


so finally there are more genetic combinations than btc address combinations...




Yes and not just a little more but the human genome is a totally different ballpark. Think of: seconds in a minute relate to possible btc addresses like possible btc adresses relate to possible different humans.

Thats just something I came up with, its not based on the numbers since I cant find a calculator that can work out the big numbers youd need fot the human genome.

Also human distribution is dependend. You are not like any possible human at random, but you are part of each of your parents.
hero member
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July 15, 2014, 01:21:42 PM
#8
yeah I get it now.. you used 0.001 since 99.99% of all human genome is same. 


so finally there are more genetic combinations than btc address combinations...

hero member
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July 15, 2014, 10:31:27 AM
#7
lot of fear for people who think what if there are two similar randomly generated private keys at  different parts of the world.

But there is no need to worry since the ocean of private keys is so large that any two randomly generated private key to be similar is like almost next to impossible, but common people cannot get the feeling out of mind, that this may eventually happen one day

but think about our genes, no two person is alike so it is easy to think in terms of genes...

So my question is which one is better, genetic code  variability with just 4 bases in DNA ( cytosine, adenine, guanine,thymine)

or is bitcoin private key generation even above genetic variability.

2160 different private keys [1] vs. 46*109 * 0.0001 [2] [3] different humans

1,46 * 1048 vs. number to big for wolfram alpha... sorry the idea was nice but 46*106 * 0.0001 = 8.8*103612355 according to wolfram alpha. Yeah... not a comparison you want to make.

[1] since RIPEDM - 160 is used
[2] according to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUDqI9PJpc8 there are 6 billion words in the gnome each has 4 different possible values.
[3] same source [2] 99.99% of genetic code is identical for all humans

why are you multiplying  by 0.0001
hero member
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July 15, 2014, 10:28:29 AM
#6
lot of fear for people who think what if there are two similar randomly generated private keys at  different parts of the world.

But there is no need to worry since the ocean of private keys is so large that any two randomly generated private key to be similar is like almost next to impossible, but common people cannot get the feeling out of mind, that this may eventually happen one day

but think about our genes, no two person is alike so it is easy to think in terms of genes...

So my question is which one is better, genetic code  variability with just 4 bases in DNA ( cytosine, adenine, guanine,thymine)

or is bitcoin private key generation even above genetic variability.

2160 different private keys [1] vs. 46*109 * 0.0001 [2] [3] different humans

1,46 * 1048 vs. number to big for wolfram alpha... sorry the idea was nice but 46*106 * 0.0001 = 8.8*103612355 according to wolfram alpha. Yeah... not a comparison you want to make.

[1] since RIPEDM - 160 is used
[2] according to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUDqI9PJpc8 there are 6 billion words in the gnome each has 4 different possible values.
[3] same source [2] 99.99% of genetic code is identical for all humans

Excuse my inability to understand, but can you do a THCR on what you just said?

i think instead of words lets just use base pairs adenine pairs thymine and guanine pairs with cytosine creating around roughly 3 billion base pairs..so it is permutation within this 3 billion base pairs that creates variability!


hero member
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July 15, 2014, 10:22:41 AM
#5
Okay here are some resources to work out the math..




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome
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