Topic: Bitcoin, Alibaba's Cave and the 40 Thieves (Read 185 times)

Regardless,he has been able to reveal some unique features that's needed to make Bitcoin existence valuable and exceptional.Believing that there're several other ways through which Bitcoin becomes understandable and accessible to mankind.
The awareness approach that Bitcoin enthusiasts uses is generally enticing and educative at the same time and some of these approaches,needs to be equally studied.

I think it's a good idea to use analogies, metaphors, parables and comparisons between what you want to explain and elements from stories the person you are talking to is familiar with. This way they can understand what you mean in a very didatic way.

As long as the individual is aware about Alibaba's Cave and the 40 Thieves tale, go ahead. We just have to adapt which story to use taking into consideration the repertoire of the learner.

Anyway, congratulations for being creative and for putting your imagination into good use! I'm sure you can enlight many people about Bitcoin following this strategy, especially the ones who love traditional tales of ancient cultures, which have elements of adventure, magic, bravery and meaningful messages in the end.

There are way easier alternatives to explain Bitcoin to a child and make them understand how it works for the most part.  But in my opinion, this should not be a lesson.  They ask the questions, you give the right answer at the right time.  Kind of 'enforcing' Bitcoin onto children is a subject I have seen around here a few times in the last year and I am not saying you are planning to do this OP, but some people do it.

It would also be a big mistake to put the word 'thieves' next to Bitcoin when teaching your child how it works, much like pooya said.  They grow up hearing Bitcoin is dying, Bitcoin is used by criminals, Bitcoin is a bad thing et cetera.  All of this AND the most trust worthy person to them, their parents, taught the kid it has to do with thieves and magic spells too!  Not a good thing.

You would be surprised to see how much talent some people have to simplify the Bitcoin definition and how it works.  It is a hard thing to do, but possible.  But even then.  This still only teaches the very VERY basics of Bitcoin, nothing more.

Although I like your approach and consider it a bit alternative, I don't know if I'd personally use it. Perhaps that's an issue of mine, because I generally want to be straightforward and not sugarcoat things, but it's still an interesting view; I wouldn't have the imagination to come up with something like it. This approach actually reminds me of the subreddit "r/explainlikeimfive." it captures your interest, even if you're completely ignorant about blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies, and it feels animated in a way, even though it's still text.

There's actually multiple posts in that subreddit about Bitcoin and I even found a video from CoinMarketCap, explaining Bitcoin with animated photos. It's a 10 minute long video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWhZMTjCTcc

I have just watched the brief history and explanation of how Jack Ma ended up with the name of Alibaba LOL and now, I've seen this thread. That's a good analogy but I don't think that it's as simple as that. I guess the easiest explanation is that, Bitcoin is our money and wallets like Electrum are our safe vaults and anyone shouldn't give their passwords(private keys / seeds) to anybody.

interesting analogy, but I didn't even know the tale of Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves until now. The explanation is quite simple, but I think it would benefit children more, as they learn much faster when given illustrations or told stories.  Explaining basic Bitcoin concepts in these manner will definitely keep a beginner interested in learning more, but how many more stories can we find to explaining other basic concepts?. There are so many interesting basics that I think might be best to give their explanation in a plain manner, except there is a better analogy. That aside, the tale sounds nice great though.

I really like the idea of ​​science fiction writer Roger Zelazny (in fact, this idea has been formulated independently by many prominent science fiction writers). It is the idea that at a certain level of development, technology becomes indistinguishable from magic.

I have read the posts of everyone on the Bitcointalk forum and I absolutely agree that knowing the magic phrase of the spell (the seed) does not in itself give the right to wealth in the Bitcoin network (especially not the right to all 21 million Bitcoin at once). Perhaps it is more accurate to say that the magic spell simply opens the entrance to the cave. And you have a chance to get some of the wealth lying in the cave for your own.

Why do we need such an analogy at all? Why not use the standard ways of explaining how Bitcoin works?

In my opinion, Bitcoin is such an amazing thing that the old terms, definitions and concepts cannot fully reveal the full potential of Bitcoin. In my opinion, like any breakthrough technology, Bitcoin will increasingly resemble magic over time.  I wouldn’t be surprised if the Electrum wallet interface changes in a few decades. After all, modern Bitcoin wallets are essentially two-dimensional software interfaces from the 20th century.

In the 21st century, it’s entirely possible that interaction with the Bitcoin blockchain will take place in a three-dimensional virtual space (with or without special VR glasses).

Imagine, for example, that sending a transaction on the Bitcoin network will actually be accompanied by the opening of a portal to Ali Baba’s cave. You will actually cast a magic spell in virtual space. Synchronizing the wallet will allow you to enter this cave. You will actually see a pile of treasure, gold coins, that is, those satoshi that belong to you personally. You will be able to send them to another person and see how part of your treasure gradually melts and dissolves into thin air. Why not? I think such an interface will make working with Bitcoin even more interesting!

Keep it simple.

I think, complexity and metaphor used in this story are not helpful. It creates more confusion to Bitcoin outsiders who already have interest in or not yet have interest in Bitcoin. Make it simple and tell them about strength, utility and also weakness of Bitcoin. Give them time to absorb your educational course on Bitcoin, and they will decide whether joining or not.

Simple like this.
Bitcoin Explained: Discover how Bitcoin works and why it’s so popular.

That is a nice analogy. But unlike the cave, the person who is going to install electrum won't get any treasure by entering the cave. He has to do his investment with his own earned money. That is the only difference, other than, the analogy is good and yeah, it may work on teenagers as well. I think I have seen a thread that created his Bitcointalk account when he was 16 and he is a Legendary forum member. He is not active anymore. If he could create an Bitcointalk account and learn all these things when he was below 18, today's kids should be able to learn as well with the advanced technology and devices.

I'm not familiar with the story of Alibaba's Cave and the 40 Thieves, if there is one, but the way you explain it is easy to understand. Perhaps many of our relatives and friends are interested in bitcoin and how to invest in it, but sometimes we don't know how to explain it effectively, which results in not attracting potential users who might have been interested if we had explained it well.

It's like this, if we could be helpful in growing bitcoin adoption, it would start with our circle; however, as I mentioned, sometimes we're only good at educating ourselves and not so much at educating others.

I think your version of the story of Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves is a little different from the one spread here and therefore may not be the best way to explain Bitcoin but there are actually a lot of detailed explanations and animations that explain how Bitcoin works, the most accurate and knowledgeable about the purification aspects is the one explained on Andreas Antonopoulos' channel.

I prefer to use simpler analogies by using examples of what they encounter in everyday life such as: its similarity to gold/rare objects, uniqueness, economic value and its history. Because conveying bitcoin in such a way is still the most effective for me until now. Each of us must have our own analogy so that the essence of bitcoin reaches them and its purpose can be understood. Because in different delivery methods, the level of understanding of the audience requires us to be as creative as possible in delivering the material.

OK, but what if your BTC wallet is empty and there's no "treasure" there? Do we really have to explain crypto to small kids? Most small kids probably don't know how fiat money and bank accounts work.
You are coming up with the assumption that everyone, who knows the seed phrase of a BTC wallet would miraculously become rich.
It doesn't work that way. Anyway, I don't think that BTC/crypto is that complex. Maybe some people wouldn't understand the concept of blockchain, mining nodes, cryptography, hashrates, etc., but overall, I do think that most people would understand that cryptocurrencies have monetary value and that crypto wallets are just a software, which is used to store crypto.

The story is somehow interesting but this  story will only complicate things, it is much easier to make an example of a house safety box.  It is much simpler and easily understood by anyone who are not familiar with Ali Baba's Story. At the same time, there are similar terminology  like, keys, combinations, security, etc.

So for me, I believe it is much easier to use real-life examples so that people, especially children, understand things we are talking about.  

This analogy is interesting and fun and could definitely be used to a child however I do not think it would be so much appropriate to use to explain the actual fundamentals of bitcoin to an adult.

To kids though this can be a very entertaining and whimsical kind of story to explain bitcoin. But if I were to change something, I am just going to tell them that everyone is wanting the coins in the cave and once you have your eyes and hands on the cave you have to hide it somewhere safe and enter the wallet or in a playful way can be a treasure box. This treasure box is locked and can be opened by a password or the seed phrase in which only you would know. This is how I would explain bitcoin and I believe this could also teach them about privacy and proper storage of anything not just crypto.

I liked your idea of simplifying things and using well known stories to explain complex stuff but not your choice and the result.

It seems like you misunderstood the story. In this French story, the treasure is stolen stuff that belongs to the 40 thieves which is stored in the cave that belongs to the thieves and Alibaba hears their secret phrase (open sesame) and enters their cave and steals from the thieves! Not the other way around (meaning the treasure being Alibaba's hard earned "coins" that is stored in a cave which thieves wanted to steal).

I personally think that is not even an appropriate story for children (since it is advertising thievery!) let alone something to be used to explain how Bitcoin and seed phrases work. And of course there are good points that @Cricktor raised above as well.

Not really.

Secret formula would be if you were trying to crack the bitcoin puzzle in one of those other threads around here, and you'd have a bunch of what we call "fee snipers" trying to steal the bitcoins as you try to broadcast the transactions. Similar to MEV bots and Ethreum.

It would have a special code you'd need to insert into the transaction to unlock it.

Software really isn't that special when you think about it.

It doesn't really explain any of the properties and design goals of Bitcoin and Bitcoin's inner mechanics to achieve those goals.

Your analogy merely describes in very very basic terms, and wrongly too, what a Bitcoin wallet is for. What bothers me is that you paint a wrong picture actually.

If the blockchain is the cave and all coins exist only on the blockchain then how would "the magic spell" (your wallet's seed) give you access to all the wealth in the cave (aka all the coins of the blockchain) as you describe it. This is such an utterly wrong analogy, tbh.

You have to invest a bit more brain greese to come up with an easy to digest but still accurate ELI5 description of how Bitcoin works and why it is as it is.

Key points to understand about Bitcoin for me are:

• no inflation like majority of gov's money printing habits (it has actually a capped and deflationary emission)
• no need to trust any centralized entity, it's rather permissionless and no-trust-needed decentralization
• anyone can participate in Bitcoin and needs no permission from any entity
• distributed, decentralized and immutable ledger
• no other entity can spend your digital coins
• digital coins can be spent only once
• you can't arbitrarily copy your digital coins and spend those copies
• you can't fake digital coins due to high mathematical and cryptographic security
• it's unfeasible to break security and steal others coins (not enough money, energy and time in this solar system or galaxy to be any successful if you dare to try)

I'm fully aware that's no ELI5 explanation and maybe it's not even complete, just the key points off the top of my head that I deem important to understand what Bitcoin is about. How to achieve the design goals is another story also worth exploring.

OP used the storytelling teaching technique which makes teaching/learning exciting for both children and adults. Children are usually attracted to story telling since it makes learning simple. I think it is a creative way of teaching about Bitcoin. Maybe I would use this storyline to teach some of my nephews about Bitcoin.

I agree with you that the Electrum Bitcoin wallet is a more correct name than the Electrum cryptocurrency wallet. Why do we need such an analogy at all?

I have encountered the fact that many people do not understand the principles of Bitcoin. For example, if a person has never worked with cryptocurrencies, but only used banking applications, then it is difficult for him to understand why he needs to synchronize the wallet. He may even start to panic when he finds a zero balance in his wallet. But you can give him a simple explanation - check the operation of the magic portal, perhaps you are not at the entrance to the cave yet! And of course, the analogy can be useful for explaining the principle of Bitcoin to a child (your heir). Moreover, this analogy can be made in the form of a comic strip, which will further facilitate the learning process.

Over time, this will allow him to master more complex things - for example, working with a Monero wallet or creating and using a cold wallet based on two devices with Electrum software installed.🙂