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Topic: Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash can co-exist - page 2. (Read 386 times)

legendary
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May 21, 2018, 12:53:09 AM
#6
bitcoin cash was not invented by ver.
much like bitcoin core was not invented by theymos

theymos is just the social drama leader of core by owning the forums and bitcoin.org
ver is just the social drama leader of cash by owning the forums and bitcoin.com

But my do you support Roger Ver's actions in using bitcoin.com to confuse the users by manipulating the wording on the site and make them believe that "Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin"?

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when it comes to development.
bitcoin core has the blockstream paid devs
bitcoin cash has the bloq paid devs

We know who the Core developers are. Can you tell us who the Bitcoin Cash developers are? There are trolls saying that it has only one developer. Hahaha.

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and it makes me laugh how all the finger pointing is directed at mouthpieces and not the code controllers.
bitcoin ecosystem is about code and rules followed using code. not social drama. so once you look passed the social drama of mouth pieces and concentrate on who is doing the coding. things become clearer

in the future we may well see that the bitcoin core network become part of a master chain for USA customers. we may see bitcoin cash as a masterchain of asia. that way its not a whole world population on one network but a multichain/sidechain style vision of co-operation.

and yes even visa do this. they have a USA network and a Euro network and another network for each major continent.

but what needs to happen first is for the community to stop with the social drama that does not impact the code, people need to stop ignoring the code changes that can adversely hinder/delay/cause friction to the community.

I agree. But don't you think Roger Ver should stop his propaganda?

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this does includ having the courage to step up and voice your concerns when devs are going the wrong path or a path that takes the longest route.
becasue if you do not challenge the devs, they wil just do what they want because they do not hear objections and thus treat it as community desiring what they do (to them ignorance is bliss)

so speak up against code changes for purposes that seem less about meeting community concerns and seems more about corporate adoption. do not be afraid of devs. do not let them control the code just because they have done the job forever.
after all some devs may retire, some may get bored and move onto other projects. so dont blindly idolise them and let them do as they please because they may not be around in a few years to undo any work they created now

in short
adam back did not code anything related to bitcoin in its 2008-2010 inception period
craig wright did not code anything related to bitcoin in its 2008-2010 inception period

theymos has not wrote code in a couple years
ver has not wrote code in a couple years

so dont start arguing about mouthpieces and concentrat on the code


Honestly, which network is better, BTC or BCH?
legendary
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Merit: 1163
Where is my ring of blades...
May 20, 2018, 01:45:21 AM
#5
I believe Bitcoin Cash is a good "experiment" for scaling using bigger blocks, the same as my belief as Bitcoin is a good "experiment" on how to scale with a 2nd layer offchain network.

an experiment is only good if the conditions are met. lets say I want to  test the temperature at which water starts to boil and I assume it is 80 degree Celsius, if I only increase the temperature up to 40 degrees that doesn't prove my experiment ever.

the "experiment" called bitcoin cash is the same. they say nodes will have no problem with bigger blocks and it currently has 32 MB blocks but only fills around 100 kB of them! it has to continue producing 32 MB blocks for at least 6 months and increase the total blockchain size first then be considered an experiment.

as for Ver, he is not the only menace in bitcoin. there are a lot of others on both sides....
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4788
May 20, 2018, 01:27:33 AM
#4
bitcoin cash was not invented by ver.
much like bitcoin core was not invented by theymos

theymos is just the social drama leader of core by owning the forums and bitcoin.org
ver is just the social drama leader of cash by owning the forums and bitcoin.com

when it comes to development.
bitcoin core has the blockstream paid devs
bitcoin cash has the bloq paid devs

and it makes me laugh how all the finger pointing is directed at mouthpieces and not the code controllers.
bitcoin ecosystem is about code and rules followed using code. not social drama. so once you look passed the social drama of mouth pieces and concentrate on who is doing the coding. things become clearer

in the future we may well see that the bitcoin core network become part of a master chain for USA customers. we may see bitcoin cash as a masterchain of asia. that way its not a whole world population on one network but a multichain/sidechain style vision of co-operation.

and yes even visa do this. they have a USA network and a Euro network and another network for each major continent.

but what needs to happen first is for the community to stop with the social drama that does not impact the code, people need to stop ignoring the code changes that can adversely hinder/delay/cause friction to the community.

this does includ having the courage to step up and voice your concerns when devs are going the wrong path or a path that takes the longest route.
becasue if you do not challenge the devs, they wil just do what they want because they do not hear objections and thus treat it as community desiring what they do (to them ignorance is bliss)

so speak up against code changes for purposes that seem less about meeting community concerns and seems more about corporate adoption. do not be afraid of devs. do not let them control the code just because they have done the job forever.
after all some devs may retire, some may get bored and move onto other projects. so dont blindly idolise them and let them do as they please because they may not be around in a few years to undo any work they created now

in short
adam back did not code anything related to bitcoin in its 2008-2010 inception period
craig wright did not code anything related to bitcoin in its 2008-2010 inception period

theymos has not wrote code in a couple years
ver has not wrote code in a couple years

so dont start arguing about mouthpieces and concentrat on the code
hero member
Activity: 3164
Merit: 937
May 20, 2018, 12:50:27 AM
#3
I believe Bitcoin Cash is a good "experiment" for scaling using bigger blocks, the same as my belief as Bitcoin is a good "experiment" on how to scale with a 2nd layer offchain network.

My debates with franky1 has opened my mind to their point of view. But why is it when the topic starts to sway on "why Bitcoin Cash does not need Roger Ver" the most ardent defenders of the coin stop debating?

Roger Ver has brought nothing but hate, misinformation, manipulation and confusion. Maybe the Bitcoin Cash community should move on and be better without him.


The Bitcoin Cash community can`t move on without Rover Ver,because BCH will die without him.He is one of the biggest bitcoin cash holders and I assume that he invested a lot in BCH mining.
Bitcoin Cash was a good "experiment" ,but what is the final result of that experiment?
I think that the result is zero.The bigger blocks are useless.
hero member
Activity: 1036
Merit: 502
May 20, 2018, 12:49:54 AM
#2
I believe Bitcoin Cash is a good "experiment" for scaling using bigger blocks, the same as my belief as Bitcoin is a good "experiment" on how to scale with a 2nd layer offchain network.

My debates with franky1 has opened my mind to their point of view. But why is it when the topic starts to sway on "why Bitcoin Cash does not need Roger Ver" the most ardent defenders of the coin stop debating?

Roger Ver has brought nothing but hate, misinformation, manipulation and confusion. Maybe the Bitcoin Cash community should move on and be better without him.

Well if this will be pursued I think this will all the more make the market of cryptocurrency a threat to the fiat currency and all the more it will receive backlashes and black proganda against it because it will become all the more competitive with the regulated currency.  I think before creating more currency i think it is best to find more improvements on how bitcoin or many popular cryptos will become more stable and more applicable for all.
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1823
May 20, 2018, 12:41:42 AM
#1
I believe Bitcoin Cash is a good "experiment" for scaling using bigger blocks, the same as my belief as Bitcoin is a good "experiment" on how to scale with a 2nd layer offchain network.

My debates with franky1 has opened my mind to their point of view. But why is it when the topic starts to sway on "why Bitcoin Cash does not need Roger Ver" the most ardent defenders of the coin stop debating?

Roger Ver has brought nothing but hate, misinformation, manipulation and confusion. Maybe the Bitcoin Cash community should move on and be better without him.
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