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To me, it is completely pointless to connect Bitcoin and religion the way some do, even though today everyone can found their own religion and preach in the way they want. It is true that some people may be misled in this way, so I think that people in such positions should refrain from anything that could be perceived as financial advice.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 16, 2022, 04:49:31 AM

That's why I pointed it out. The Bitcoin price/market doesn't work by any form of prophecy.

Of course I agree with you, but there is a person on the forum who claims that with his actions he can influence the price of Bitcoin, and the whole thing is of course based on faith and belief that if he asks the creator to move the price to $22 000 he will listen to him because he is special (or so he thinks). I have never had any sympathy for religious fanatics of any kind, although I respect any religion that makes people better towards others and themselves.

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Prayers and prophecies are quite different things. Religion adapts to its times and finds ways of showing people that they need it. Especially institutionalized religion, like churches. So this program just shows that Bitcoin is popular enough for a church minister to mention it and to be something people like want to receive blessings for. I guess it depends on denomination and church, but in my country Orthodox churches quite often can be used for services like putting holy water on a car to protect it and stuff like that. So the whole idea of blessings for trading doesn't surprise me. But I do think it gives people false hope, and it can make people reckless, so it's not good that churches do stuff like that.

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Quote from: Wexnident on October 16, 2022, 02:37:00 AM

Religion is really outside of whatever decides the market movement, there's actually no point in relying on it or believing anything about it that indicates anything about crypto.

That's why I pointed it out. The Bitcoin price/market doesn't work by any form of prophecy. There's a saying that "what must be, must be". So in the crypto market, prophecy or no prophecy, what must be, must be. I created this thread for the information of some newbies or some overly religious types of people who will definitely bring in the crypto market in faith and prophecy. It's pointless to even say that Bitcoin was $19,000 yesterday. You prayed for it to grow to $22,000 in a few days. Coincidentally, it came to that price and it worked by prophecy. Even without the prophecy, if the price of Bitcoin was to be $22k in a few days, nothing would have stopped it.

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Idk, isn't it simply coincidence? Or the person in talk is just a rather skilled person. If you prophesized a skilled person to win a tournament, does that automatically mean that the person won due to the "prophecy"? That's undermining everything else that actually happened. I wouldn't put past it that luck of sorts was included, but a person's prediction about him is in definitely no way involved. Sports bettors would be called Gods in the sports industry if so.

Religion is really outside of whatever decides the market movement, there's actually no point in relying on it or believing anything about it that indicates anything about crypto.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 16, 2022, 01:45:01 AM

lot of false prophecies are unfortunate if someone does something like bought btc because they believed what the preacher said but after that the market went into a bearish condition as it is today.

Newbies are gullible, and some of the newbies that are not well exposed to cryptocurrency investment could take up the prophecy for themselves and purchase Bitcoin because of the pastor's prophecy. But after buying, they find out that the prophecy doesn't work in a week or months, then they run into conclusion about their losses.

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Whether Bitcoin will move according to prophecy or not I don't think that's the important thing because the important is how we who believe in it but doesn't do anything even though the prophecy happens then you will not get any profit, and believe me a lot of false prophecies are unfortunate if someone does something like bought btc because they believed what the preacher said but after that the market went into a bearish condition as it is today.
From what the preacher said, it was quite interesting because in my country more preacher actually consider Bitcoin illegal because it is like gambling and this is also clearly wrong.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on October 15, 2022, 09:11:07 PM

Everyone has faith and faith is not bad, but we need to know one thing that success comes from our tireless efforts, not just sitting around and praying, everything will go our way would like. God will not bless those who are lazy, do not try, but only look forward to blessings, God does not have much time to care about such people. You can pray about anything you want to achieve but work hard to achieve it because nothing comes naturally from the sky.

No, that is not true. God has all the time, he created the Time but the issue here is with the people. No one is saying prayer is wrong, we pray for different things every day including Bitcoin trading, and hopefully, their faith can guide them to Investing and hodling till the right time maybe there are others in that same church that have gone through that before. However we know, if you don't have any idea of trading and Investing in Bitcoin (putting in the work) you can not just sit and expect everything to fall in place because of prayers from someone, so even those giving testimony must have put in some effort.

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Don't sum this up as a prophecy because there is none, you and I know people talk to their pastor to pray for whatever it is they do in life mostly from the African part of the world because they believe so much in what their pastor preaches.
This is nothing new, am sure this is a discussion the man of God had with some members of his congregation and decided to mentioned it while praying.

I agree with you, maybe the Man of God was just sharing a testimonys of other bitcoiners that turned to millionaire to his members to be part of this potential movement that made some people feel is a prophecy. Praying for people to have the knowledge of Bitcoin in the church is not a bad thing, because the Man of God has seen what Bitcoin has done to some countries that made it legal. But, it's not advisable to trade your coins in this bearish market because of prophecy man of God gave in the church, because prophecy has nothing to do with Bitcoin price.

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Quote from: Iroh on October 15, 2022, 06:23:59 PM

Religion has not only become a tool for control; it has now become a cash cow for clerics
The preacher you were listening to is either being misleading on purpose or he’s a sham. Most likely, he’s both and he’s fishing for new sheep for his flock.
Lying and defrauding in the name of the lord. Just great.

Religion is a sacred thing, but what is wrong here is human behavior, many subjects have taken advantage of the people's trust to make profit, creating misunderstandings for people about the purpose of current religions. It is absurd for someone to believe that certain prophecies or prayers will come true without any effort. Not only bitcoin, but with any market, any business field will always have many fluctuations and if you want to profit from them, just take the time to learn about them, and how they work. We will get what we want.

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Don't sum this up as a prophecy because there is none, you and I know people talk to their pastor to pray for whatever it is they do in life mostly from the African part of the world because they believe so much in what their pastor preaches.
This is nothing new, am sure this is a discussion the man of God had with some members of his congregation and decided to mentioned it while praying.

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Everyone has faith and faith is not bad, but we need to know one thing that success comes from our tireless efforts, not just sitting around and praying, everything will go our way would like. God will not bless those who are lazy, do not try, but only look forward to blessings, God does not have much time to care about such people. You can pray about anything you want to achieve but work hard to achieve it because nothing comes naturally from the sky.

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When you grow older like 18 and have seen enough injustice in this cruel world, you know religion is not helping but even helping a country divide itself.

But you know having a Christian life as a child will mold a kid to behave well and abide by laws. It doesn't even matter anymore whether Christ is real or not, the teachings help make a person human. Whether the pastor is saying the truth or not about Bitcoin members, it's his way for his people to keep the faith.

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Quote from: Iroh on October 15, 2022, 06:23:59 PM

Religion has not only become a tool for control; it has now become a cash cow for clerics
The preacher you were listening to is either being misleading on purpose or he’s a sham. Most likely, he’s both and he’s fishing for new sheep for his flock.
Lying and defrauding in the name of the lord. Just great.

People easily fall for these kind of talks when connected to God. The preacher have done it in the right way knowing what is happening around and what people are expecting. We people need to be careful handling such situations. Because, loss and profiting out of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies happens out of the volatility. We need to learn and try the best, praying to God for the betterment of the market is good. But, the same doesn't have anything to do with these kind of preachers.

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Definitely not prophecy, but belief.

Actually, based on my understanding, to some believers they do think that investment is like gambling. I came across with a colleague way back 4 years ago when Bitcoin and other cryptos were also at its peak of popularity, before its downfall. I have opened up to him what am I doing to earn extra money and he's against with the idea. But fortunately, he's not someone who would look down on you simply because you have an opposite perspective.

In my case I am also a believer but I do separate religion/belief to other things especially if it will just form conflicts. As long as it is legal, I guess it would be fine.

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Religion has not only become a tool for control; it has now become a cash cow for clerics
The preacher you were listening to is either being misleading on purpose or he’s a sham. Most likely, he’s both and he’s fishing for new sheep for his flock.
Lying and defrauding in the name of the lord. Just great.

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Anyone who believes the pastor and his prophecy about bitcoin's price movement is simply gullible. Sadly, I am there are a lot of newbies out there who become victims. I wouldn't be surprise if in his church he says that "God wants the members to donate $100 worth of bitcoin". God has nothing to do with bitcoin. He doesn't care about it nor any other crypto currency and any pastor who instead should focus on preaching the truth of the scripture and is instead making false prophesy about the price of bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is serving mammon and not God.

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in investing in bitcoin do not rely on forecasts,
because you may be deceived or the prediction is wrong.

better analyze the market itself,
because investing in bitcoin requires analysis and knowledge of trading and crypto,
it will be better.

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If that's the way of his preaching, all about blessings and financial matters. You'll learn more about those people that are against that type of preaching.
Some pastors really are using others' misfortune in life and try to gain members through that way of talking about finances and blessings. But if it's proven that his members are experiencing that, then that's a good thing for them and it's up to their beliefs and faith.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 15, 2022, 01:10:33 PM

I am certain enough to believe that prayer and prophecy don't work for Bitcoin.

We have the same belief that it's not but for that person, he said he prayed for, it worked.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 15, 2022, 01:10:33 PM

I can't go to church and believe a prophecy that Bitcoin's price will increase by a certain amount, and this is not what any one should do.

A prophecy is usually inexact. And a prophecy about bitcoin price reaching a certain amount can easily become true, since it doesn't have a time constraint.
So it ends up into either getting to the expected price, either to "patience, my son".

However, advertising at the church bitcoin or any investments is risky: it can easily make (impatient and rather poor) people poorer instead of richer. And they may turn against bitcoin and also against the church.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 15, 2022, 01:10:33 PM

I know lots of people are so religious they believe what their pastor tells them. I'm not saying prophecy doesn't work for those that believe in it, but all I'm saying is to everyone reading this, Bitcoin price movement doesn't work by prophecy or prayer.

Of course, others may be religious here, but we know that prayer can't influence the price movement of bitcoin. It will be just either bear or bear market.

Maybe there could be others that can "influence" the price movement, but I don't think it will be the biggest factor. Price is dictated by the basic economic law: supply and demand.

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