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Quote from: DannyHamilton on March 19, 2017, 11:37:45 AM

Satoshi Nakamoto is probably dead. Therefore, it will be impossible for him to reveal anything.

Fortunately, all of the source code for the Bitcoin program is publicly available. Anybody can read it and see exactly what it does. There is nothing secret about it at all. If a government wants to know how bitcoin works and what it does, they can just hire some programmers to look at the source code and tell them.

The software is also available for anybody that wants to contribute to the programming. If a government wants to influence what bitcoin will do in the future, they can just hire some programmers to add programming to Bitcoin.

So if Satoshi Nakamoto is probably dead then there has no face that will represent in behalf of Bitcoin. Then Bitcoin is an independent platform where the users decide on how will they manipulate.

I am greatly enlightened by your post. Thanks by the way Cheesy

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Quote from: Barbarian on March 19, 2017, 06:12:50 PM

The OP seems to think there is a person that speaks for bitcoin and that person could negotiate with a head of state, but that runs contrary to bitcoin there is no head there is no one that can take decisions unilaterally so there is no one to do those negotiations and that is the way it is supposed to be.

Yep you get it right. Now I understand. So we can say that bitcoin is an independent platform for everybody and it is up to the users on how will they manipulate it. Correct if my understanding is wrong.

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The OP seems to think there is a person that speaks for bitcoin and that person could negotiate with a head of state, but that runs contrary to bitcoin there is no head there is no one that can take decisions unilaterally so there is no one to do those negotiations and that is the way it is supposed to be.

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bitcoin is not anonymous there is always a track on transactions,if you don trust doing transactions,buy/sel with someone use escrow and thats is all

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Quote from: Leprikon on March 19, 2017, 01:29:05 PM

Anonymity is one of the advantages of bitcoin. Maybe not the most important thing, but still important. For me, this is also an important aspect. I would like bitcoin to remain anonymous

too bad bitcoin is not 100% anonymous, you need to work hard to make it anonymous like using a mixer, using monero, zcash or whatever you want, everything is traceable on the blockchain which is there for a reason, but i prefer this way full anonymous would be a problem for the receiver i think

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Anonymity is one of the advantages of bitcoin. Maybe not the most important thing, but still important. For me, this is also an important aspect. I would like bitcoin to remain anonymous

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on March 19, 2017, 11:37:45 AM

Satoshi Nakamoto is probably dead. Therefore, it will be impossible for him to reveal anything.

Fortunately, all of the source code for the Bitcoin program is publicly available. Anybody can read it and see exactly what it does. There is nothing secret about it at all. If a government wants to know how bitcoin works and what it does, they can just hire some programmers to look at the source code and tell them.

The software is also available for anybody that wants to contribute to the programming. If a government wants to influence what bitcoin will do in the future, they can just hire some programmers to add programming to Bitcoin.

to the government must be thinking about bitcoin in future, as now bitcoin is becoming more and more popular and therefore the government will compel to accept bitcoin or at least create their own digital currency.

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Satoshi Nakamoto is probably dead. Therefore, it will be impossible for him to reveal anything.

Fortunately, all of the source code for the Bitcoin program is publicly available. Anybody can read it and see exactly what it does. There is nothing secret about it at all. If a government wants to know how bitcoin works and what it does, they can just hire some programmers to look at the source code and tell them.

The software is also available for anybody that wants to contribute to the programming. If a government wants to influence what bitcoin will do in the future, they can just hire some programmers to add programming to Bitcoin.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on March 19, 2017, 08:04:12 AM

We are fine as we are, I mean we could always implement TumbleBit for a higher anonymity level but that's something mostly people involved in shady transactions would care about. In the other hand, making the anonymity less will only make people leave bitcoin and make us no different from the banking system.

Should it be the other way around? If making the anonymity less then people will much trust Bitcoin and compared to a regular bank, Bitcoin has the upper hand with them for Bitcoin is not limited to a certain country nor put a high charge in their transactions and also Bitcoin is much convenient.

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Quote from: Iranus on March 19, 2017, 08:57:12 AM

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Quote from: paul gatt on March 19, 2017, 08:10:47 AM

Bitcoin is not an anonymous item, it is a window of completely transparent and convenient transactions, a process of converting data that carries a tremendous value inside. If you keep track of it from the beginning, you will see its developmental stages and events occurring. All of that confirms its strength and potential. On the other hand, bitcoin is being accepted by many countries, which makes it legal, so it is not anonymous, it is gradually being realized. A good thing in the future

Can you perhaps specify what countries are these? Do these countries you've mentioned negotiate with the owner of the Bitcoin and having issued a legal approach to it?

No countries as far as I know regard Bitcoin to be a legal currency. While it is not anonymous, loads of people have now come to completely misinterpret what it actually is, which I expected to happen anyway. It is not entirely public either of course, otherwise it wouldn't be widely used on the dark web.

Then, should Bitcoin just stay as it is shutting down the opportunity you aforementioned? And to clarify things up, these countries you've said didn't have formal approach in accepting Bitcoin in their country?

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Quote from: BitcoinHodler on March 19, 2017, 08:48:07 AM

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Quote from: BitcoinHodler on March 19, 2017, 07:45:43 AM

Bitcoin is not anonymous. it offers some small level of privacy and a very small anonymity that creates the illusion of it being anonymous. and nobody wanted or wants it today to be fully anonymous.

if you want full anonymity use cash in a dark alley or look into coins like Monero and see if they offer such features.

I didn't meant for full anonymity but rather reveal the faces behind bitcoin. How can someone, maybe a head of state, negotiate with not knowing who specifically to negotiate with. In a sense, secrecy of the users should stay as it is and its transactions like a Bank Secrecy Law and I assume that all country have that Law.

that doesn't make any sense. because first of all bitcoin is open source and anyone can see what it is doing. the blockchain which is storing all the transaction is also open to anyone to look at, analyze and see what's what.

also if by "faces behind bitcoin" you mean developers of bitcoin, then there is no point in knowing who they are because again the code is open to see. and besides the identity of all of them is known as far as i know. go on Github and see them.

also "head of state" don't need to adopt bitcoin, people need to do that and when they do, it doesn't matter what the F head of state says or thinks. because bitcoin is decentralized and P2P

Then how can a legal approach be possible with the faces behind bitcoin is not revealed. Let's say that this country has taken interest of Bitcoin and would like to open a discussion regarding to it and then undergo in legal process but how can it be possible with hiding this information. For example like Mark Zuckerberg revealing its basic details regarding himself or any known personality of a head of a company or organization.

The point is, why are they keeping this information a secret which in fact it should not be?

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Quote from: SoulBargain on March 19, 2017, 08:49:40 AM

Quote from: paul gatt on March 19, 2017, 08:10:47 AM

Bitcoin is not an anonymous item, it is a window of completely transparent and convenient transactions, a process of converting data that carries a tremendous value inside. If you keep track of it from the beginning, you will see its developmental stages and events occurring. All of that confirms its strength and potential. On the other hand, bitcoin is being accepted by many countries, which makes it legal, so it is not anonymous, it is gradually being realized. A good thing in the future

Can you perhaps specify what countries are these? Do these countries you've mentioned negotiate with the owner of the Bitcoin and having issued a legal approach to it?

No countries as far as I know regard Bitcoin to be a legal currency. While it is not anonymous, loads of people have now come to completely misinterpret what it actually is, which I expected to happen anyway. It is not entirely public either of course, otherwise it wouldn't be widely used on the dark web.

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Quote from: paul gatt on March 19, 2017, 08:10:47 AM

Bitcoin is not an anonymous item, it is a window of completely transparent and convenient transactions, a process of converting data that carries a tremendous value inside. If you keep track of it from the beginning, you will see its developmental stages and events occurring. All of that confirms its strength and potential. On the other hand, bitcoin is being accepted by many countries, which makes it legal, so it is not anonymous, it is gradually being realized. A good thing in the future

Can you perhaps specify what countries are these? Do these countries you've mentioned negotiate with the owner of the Bitcoin and having issued a legal approach to it?

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Quote from: SoulBargain on March 19, 2017, 08:12:54 AM

Quote from: BitcoinHodler on March 19, 2017, 07:45:43 AM

Bitcoin is not anonymous. it offers some small level of privacy and a very small anonymity that creates the illusion of it being anonymous. and nobody wanted or wants it today to be fully anonymous.

if you want full anonymity use cash in a dark alley or look into coins like Monero and see if they offer such features.

I didn't meant for full anonymity but rather reveal the faces behind bitcoin. How can someone, maybe a head of state, negotiate with not knowing who specifically to negotiate with. In a sense, secrecy of the users should stay as it is and its transactions like a Bank Secrecy Law and I assume that all country have that Law.

that doesn't make any sense. because first of all bitcoin is open source and anyone can see what it is doing. the blockchain which is storing all the transaction is also open to anyone to look at, analyze and see what's what.

also if by "faces behind bitcoin" you mean developers of bitcoin, then there is no point in knowing who they are because again the code is open to see. and besides the identity of all of them is known as far as i know. go on Github and see them.

also "head of state" don't need to adopt bitcoin, people need to do that and when they do, it doesn't matter what the F head of state says or thinks. because bitcoin is decentralized and P2P

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If we do see on hiding our identity shall we say our name and address then bitcoin is truly anonymous but talking about tracing up transactions i could say that its possible specially when do make transactions without using any mixing services or using big wallet,it can be traced up actually.

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Quote from: Iranus on March 19, 2017, 07:39:17 AM

Bitcoin is not fully anonymous nor is it entirely open, and this is not something that can change. The system relates to pseudonymity - the use of addresses as pseudonyms for who is sending and receiving. This is visible to everyone on the blockchain and on block explorers.

There isn't really any option in existence which changes Bitcoin's pseudonymity and still keeps it as Bitcoin rather than a centralised online payment system (which to people who genuinely value their privacy would be far less credible anyway).

Then, should Bitcoin reveal its real identity?

note: I've clarified some things so you may want to check it out V

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Bitcoin is anonymous if you don't use your real life accounts. You can mix it via mixers and exchanges, or buy anonymously and with DASH, MONERO but someone must deliver to you bought items.. There's anonymity can be compromised.

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Quote from: BitcoinHodler on March 19, 2017, 07:45:43 AM

Bitcoin is not anonymous. it offers some small level of privacy and a very small anonymity that creates the illusion of it being anonymous. and nobody wanted or wants it today to be fully anonymous.

if you want full anonymity use cash in a dark alley or look into coins like Monero and see if they offer such features.

I didn't meant for full anonymity but rather reveal the faces behind bitcoin. How can someone, maybe a head of state, negotiate with not knowing who specifically to negotiate with. In a sense, secrecy of the users should stay as it is and its transactions like a Bank Secrecy Law and I assume that all country have that Law.

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Bitcoin is not an anonymous item, it is a window of completely transparent and convenient transactions, a process of converting data that carries a tremendous value inside. If you keep track of it from the beginning, you will see its developmental stages and events occurring. All of that confirms its strength and potential. On the other hand, bitcoin is being accepted by many countries, which makes it legal, so it is not anonymous, it is gradually being realized. A good thing in the future

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We are fine as we are, I mean we could always implement TumbleBit for a higher anonymity level but that's something mostly people involved in shady transactions would care about. In the other hand, making the anonymity less will only make people leave bitcoin and make us no different from the banking system.

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