Topic: Bitcoin Around the World - page 2. (Read 7279 times)

Since countries vary widely in population, I think it would be better to have channels for regularly-sized (population-wise) regions. Like this (but worldwide):
https://i.imgur.com/SQmoC.jpg

ftfy

I think you are.  Or you both have different ideas on what is being worked on and promoted.

To add to benefits of separate channels.  Think of you jumping into an IRC channel to discuss Bitcoin in a general sense, not even for just your region, you would still have to deal with dialect from other regions, which visually could be easy or hard to filter out depending on your language, on top of just that lack of closeness and focus a smaller room can bring.  Hell, all this IRC talk makes me want to download mirc, it's been so long.    Either way, I believe there is already a big Bitcoin room or a few bigger Bitcoin rooms, why can't we just have all the channels


I see a reply came up while replying,

"your strategy seems to be obsessed with manipulating a trivial aspect of an unimportant mechanism in a way that will actually defeat your own purposes"

Oh jesus, Obsessed, lol

Look, you simply aren't going to turn bitcoin into a success by finding the perfect mix of predefined IRC channels.  #1 that's not how IRC works and #2 IRC is used by a tiny fraction of a fraction of a percent of the people who will need to be involved for bitcoin to realize it's potential.

I feel like *I'm* getting trolled.  While I completely agree with your goal (at least I think I do!), your strategy seems to be obsessed with manipulating a trivial aspect of an unimportant mechanism in a way that will actually defeat your own purposes, except that it won't because it's just not gunna work man.

This is asinine.  Sincerely good luck, but I'm out.

Okay.  Then what about the 90% of the people that did not realize there are others in their country that participate in bitcoin community that they could eventually become aware of maybe if ever.  Perhaps in this instance of reality I am doing more harm than not by helping to introduce such awareness earlier than later (of course this excludes individuals which have become aware of such communities prior to my opportunity to introduce them, in which since they already know, no need to mention it to them)

Perhaps this awareness of others in locality (whether through self-efforts or efforts initiated by others) is unnecessary?  Perhaps this effort established by me is similar to other symbolic efforts previously such as considering radio, tv, Internet?  e.g. Google helps to spread awareness of existence of communities, resources.  Although, in the case of Google, people go to Google, Google doesn't go to people.  But again, in the case of Google, how did people hear about Google?  Through word of mouth?  Perhaps my effort is similar to word of mouth in which I, as an individual, am mouthly wording existence of the communities (as well as helping to organize their existence for countries which yet do not have an established organized community)? ^_^

Am I getting trolled/trolling?

ok, since you asked.. "Any suggestions?"

Yes:  Let IRC channels define themselves organically and dynamically, as they have in the past.  Create none.  Participate in many. 

lodcrappo, see my revised reply above.

So.. the problem had already been solved, but you thought it was a good idea to then apply the solution to all the other areas of the world, where the problem didn't exist.  Ok...

Look, as clearly labeled from my first comment, this is my opinion and I've now explained my opinion more clearly than you wanted to hear about I'm sure.  Best of luck, prove me wrong.

Not quite.  Even prior to my initiative there were 10+ foreign bitcoin channels.  I decided to help better establish closer-knit country-based communities for the same purpose.  However, these communities (on IRC) are not retricted to the close-knit country-specific IRC chans.  They can easily join the global bitcoin communities on IRC (See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels) as well.


Yep.  Most of these foreign channels the dominant language used is nonEnglish.  It would be overwhelmingly distracting if, for example, #bitcoin channel were a mix of 50+ languages.



This is a good point.  If countries US, MX, JP, BY, KZ all agree upon ideaA, ideaB and ideaC and countries US, KZ, MA, PK, CL and IT all agree upon ideaB, ideaC and ideaD, then it makes sense to create separate channels for ideaA, ideaB, ideaC, ideaD instead of for specific countries, since each of these ideas can account for one or more countries and therefore reduce the amount of distinct communities exist (unless, of course, there are more ideas than countries).  So, I can alter this country-based effort to instead make use of some other sort of classification to better distinguish or categorize groups of communities to better serve the very same people behind these communities, buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, I first must know what method of classification to rely upon and also I must be aware of all possible values to use to label them appropriately.  Any suggestions?   However, do keep in mind that this may prevent the ability for communities to rely on alternate languages to communicate with one another as there may be people in each of these communities that do not understand one other.

There is truth behind your points, but in my opinion the minor inconvenience of filtering through the occasional discussion that doesn't apply directly to your own situation is *far* outweighed by the value of meeting and talking with as many like minded business people as possible, and the common subject of using and promoting bitcoin in business is much larger than the minor regional technicalities.  Even when country A does something differently than county B, there is a very high likelihood of country C,D,E,F,G doing what A does and H,I,J,K,L,etc doing what B does.  The business world is largely a global one, with even some very small businesses doing international transactions routinely.  What better way to highlight the advantages bitcoin has over antiquated political based currencies than by promoting international cooperation and commerce?

ps i will drop it now.  not meaning to give you or the people behind this thing a hard time.  i just think its going in a very, very wrong direction from the start here and needs a real correction to have any chance of success.  i hope it does succeed.

I thought about it, I had a much longer reply, but honest it is not necessary.   I do not see the futility of many groups working separately toward a common goal.   With those separations representing not only possible changes in language, but of course law and politics, on top of a million other region specific issues that it would be best to have teams focused on those issues rather than a whole group seeing a million issues that do not all apply to each other.  Isn't this why terrorism works?  Because they do it in cells or something.

"than one attempting to connect people who have common goals."

by dividing them into hundreds of different channels...  are you still not seeing the futility here?   like i said, i think the premise is a good one.  the implementation needs to be corrected.

I guess we'll see then, I honestly have no clue how useful or not this endevour is, but I know there are a million other threds to hate and diss on at Bitcointalk than one attempting to connect people who have common goals.

I don't see it as negative at all, I see it as having basically no influence or usefulness whatsoever.  It won't hurt anything.  Well.. I do think its a shame that the basic premise (as I understand it, to help people who want to promote bitcoin in their locality in a variety of ways) will not be served well by the silly design of this effort, because I think it would be great to promote that type of thing.  

edit - btw language division is != political border.  many counties have significant numbers of people speaking different languages, and of course most languages shared are by many countries.  you're probably right that having channels for english speakers, spanish speakers and so on would be a good idea, and often that is how IRC works, whether by official design or simply by self selection.  however, that is the only practical reason to have multiple channels that are supposed to be serving the same goal imho.  

Calm down their buddy, one world changing revolution at a time.  First we change the money, then we can eliminate those invisible lines that divide us all.      IRC is an established way for people to communicate instantly, regions help organize language barriers, I'm not seeing this as negatively as you at all.

So you've decided the way to promote a global currency, possibly the first with true potential to break through traditional economic/ethnic divisions, is to divide everyone in little separate groups based on.. these same borders (mostly)?  And you're going to do this using a medium (IRC) which is also global and communal by design, until will apply your scheme to it, then it becomes segmented and divided and just plain silly.

This will fail.  

Time to step back and rethink.  A project in country X will have many ideas and experiences useful to a project in country Y.  Creating divisions along political borders just because... politic borders exist i guess?  is not going to help bitcoin.


that'll be $0.02

#bitcoin-ar Bitcoin in Argentina
#bitcoin-aus Bitcoin in Argentina

typo

See updated list in first post.  If anyone lives in any of these countries, feel free to create the channel and register it and let me know and I'll add it to original post.

Actually, that's not the case.  Jeff Garzik owns bitcoin namespace on freenode and can recover channels as necessary.  If he is run over by bus, then all of #bitcoin-* may be at a risk?  ._.

Also, my method is to prepare the channels in anticipation for others to take over as communities form.  This should take only a few days actually, and is already progressing rather nicely.

Also, since I rarely go outside and instead sit at my computers 24/7, the chances of getting hit by a bus are rather slim.  Even if a bus were to crash into the home I am currently residing in, I am not in a room that would be impacted and cause death or injury.   A bus would not be able to reach me.

Otherwise, do you mean pc bus?

Also, I noticed the following channels seem to have been abandoned or are opless and I have contacted jgarzik to recover them:

#bitcoin-at
#bitcoin-bg
#bitcoin-br
#bitcoin-es
#bitcoin-eu
#bitcoin-in
#bitcoin-no
#bitcoin-otc-sv
#bitcoin-ru

Seems like a very centralized way of doing things and IMO looks very much like domain-squatting. It would be better to let these communities grow organically rather than having one person have control over all of them, which is most likely why the Bitcoin devs haven't claimed #bitcoin* through Freenode's group registration process.

If you get run over by a bus or lose interest in Bitcoin tomorrow then all of these channels will be unusable. Nice work