Topic: Bitcoin as one part of the Decentralized Revolution - page 2. (Read 1506 times)

Wow, litecoin has finally been dethrone. It was second place for so long? Another altcoin fading away, making room for another hundred or so. Bitcoin is still king.

I'm 100% onboard with the concepts here, so I'm really sorry to be a curmudgeon, but:

The Internet is a centralized system, mostly controlled by corporations and governments. They control the spokes and hubs, therefore they control the network. Cryptocurrencies and distributed systems are benefitting (likely temporarily) from a combination of the following factors:

* crossing many jurisdictions with varying degrees of regulation and oversight
* technical lags in law enforcement and regulation, and massive traffic volume
* dependency on Internet for consumer-level commerce and communication (makes takedowns difficult)
* complexity of tracking users and sophistication of obfuscation techniques

If you believe that a world government is coming, many of these factors will change... personally I believe the MOTU have every reason to continue spying on the world in any way they can, and that spying is integral to their entire game of mass control. Almost as if they have no choice now...

On the optimistic side, torrent still "works", and it appears that in the "arms race" between "content licensers" and "pirates", "pirates" have won decisively. This is the best historical case for P2P winning. I can only guess how many lawyers, executives, and law enforcement people are still FURIOUS about this... perhaps we will add bankers to this list when cryptos really gain ground...

Not what I meant by infrastructure (I was referring to the classes of networking equipment available), but I can totally subscribe to your view of the TLD and DNS we have now; large DNS providers are a weak point and ICANN is overtly political.

As with mesh networks, alternative domain systems exist today, but do not currently have the momentum (or the incentive that drives it) to provide a widely acknowledged alternative. But it will only take just a little more movement in the present direction of the governance of the corporate internet to ramp up that incentive: I intend to go to all the hassle of configuring my system to use an alternative TLD/DNS system, but there are only so many hours in the day, and I have other things to handle first. But it's coming.

you can add bitshares, a decentralized exchange, still did not heard anything about a decentralized forum

I don't see how you could have a decentralised domain name system. The only way I can see it work is if you had a blockchain that recorded a domain name, and rejected any subsequent entries for the same name. So the first person to log it got to use it exclusively. Resolution would be horrific if you had to scan the blockchain for names and the corresponding latest address. What would be the format of that address?

Viva the Revolution of decentralization! Government surveillance has become so part of our daily lives that we seem to start to accept it as being normal. They know your movement and they know what you do with your money and they know what you do on the internet and on your mobile phone. In the end, they will have a database of your whole life when you pass away. Some people seem to think it is insignificant and of no real importance, until they put all these things together and see how intrusive this is.

The scare tactic to justify all of this = Terrorism! Booooo 

Absolutely.

I want to see ICANN replaced.

Something akin to Namecoin could be used for domain names but I don't think Namecoin itself is it.

Within a decentralized DNS system I think there should be multiple TLDs with some TLDs behaving like .bit - where anyone can get a domain name, while there should be some TLDs that can be purchased for a large amount of the currency and require a signature from the owner of the TLD to register a domain name within it.

The one issue that exists is theft of private key would mean theft of the entire TLD and not just a domain.

The way that would work, .com and .gov etc. could still run their TLD the way they currently do and not need each domain on it in the blockchain.

I would really like to see DNS decentralized.

I would add decentralised network infrastructure to that list of components. Inherently robust private & anonymous communication using a networking protocol designed that way should be a starting point (indeed, genuine alternatives to TCP/IP have existed for a while, but a truly ascendant standard is yet to emerge), but I believe that physical infrastructure under each user's full control will eventually be required to secure surveillance circumvention for the medium/long-term. Mesh networks operate now small-scale, but still largely depending on the corporate internet for content (as I understood the progress up to now), and still as islands rather than one larger self-sufficient alternative internet. That would need to change for a mesh-net to compete effectively with the corporate-owned internet.

A popular movement may well depend on 3D manufacturing to produce equipment that corporate manufacturers would never do commercially, but that's likely to simply happen given time: enough motivated experimenters will develop successful designs to fill the gaps (indeed, many already work in networking R&D may be tempted by the genuine liberty that decentralised network infrastructure offers).


Another essential aspect of decentralised living (to me) would be energy production. This is a fairly ancient principle compared to the others, but arguably just as important a cornerstone (and the technology behind it now is largely brand new of course).


Would love to hear any more examples. I would like to remove government/corporate services from my lifestyle altogether, but it's possible I'm being to narrowly focused. What else in life could benefit from a peer-to-peer overhaul?

It may be useful to remind ourselves that Bitcoin is one part of the decentralized revolution.  The parts currently (or will soon) include:

• Cryptography – private communication
• Bitcoin - decentralized monetary system
• OpenBazaar - decentralized marketplace (a blending of the best features of eBay and Torrents)
• Torrents - decentralized document distribution
• Distributed websites - decentralized publishing. Distributed websites are not stored on a single server.  The parts (including images and even different words of each sentence) are hashed and reside on multiple servers worldwide.  Publish anything, without actually writing it.
• 3D Printers and CNC – decentralized production

The old model of buying pizza with Bitcoin is still possible, but the real utility of Bitcoin will soon become apparent.  There will be many new users, and a higher price.