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Topic: Bitcoin Classic developer admits it: blocksize debate is just a powegrab excuse - page 2. (Read 1772 times)

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The miners are the only part of the Bitcoin ecosystem with a vested interest in Bitcoin.

All other entities that are part of the Bitcoin ecosystem can easily and quickly move onto various altcoins and/or other business ventures.

I would disagree with this.

People who have invested into bitcoin as a store of value or have built their business around bitcoin have a vested interest as well.

Just because a miner has a more difficult time moving on to another business venture etc does not mean that they are the only ones.

One could argue that a bitcoin miner could sell off their equipment/assets and move on to other ventures/alt-coins/etc.

Not really an absolute type of statement I would agree with there.
The miners as a whole cannot sell off their equipment, and it would probably be difficult for a miner with as little as 5-10% of the network hashrate to sell off their equipment without taking massive losses due to oversupply.

I think it is fairly trivial for the majority of Bitcoin related businesses to either diversify into altcoins or outright change to an altcoin company. For example, most exchanges have diversified into altcoin trading. Your own business has diversified into physical coins loaded with XMR, and I suspect would continue doing well with other altcoins. I believe that most Bitcoin related businesses are more of a pro-crypto bet than a pro-Bitcoin bet.

Long term holders of Bitcoin have more of a vested interest, however liquidity for Bitcoin is much greater than liquidity for Bitcoin miners, so unless you are the largest of the large holders, you can probably sell what you own with little slippage.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
The miners are the only part of the Bitcoin ecosystem with a vested interest in Bitcoin.

All other entities that are part of the Bitcoin ecosystem can easily and quickly move onto various altcoins and/or other business ventures.

I would disagree with this.

People who have invested into bitcoin as a store of value or have built their business around bitcoin have a vested interest as well.

Just because a miner has a more difficult time moving on to another business venture etc does not mean that they are the only ones.

One could argue that a bitcoin miner could sell off their equipment/assets and move on to other ventures/alt-coins/etc.

Not really an absolute type of statement I would agree with there.
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
The miners are the only part of the Bitcoin ecosystem with a vested interest in Bitcoin.

All other entities that are part of the Bitcoin ecosystem can easily and quickly move onto various altcoins and/or other business ventures.
legendary
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It's about giving the miners and a few people close to them the power to dictate the rules of consensus.

segwit went soft and advocated giving power to the miners

   -banning various network participants and blacklisting addresses (Mike Hearn)
    -lifting the 21M coin cap (Peter Rizun)
    -destroying competing chains via hostile mining (Gavin Andresen)

bilatral splits - gmaxwell
millisatoshis - rusty russel
PoW algo change - blockstreamists


hypocrisy at its best
legendary
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This is a war. XT, Classic, BU, you name it. They all want the power.

It's about giving the miners and a few people close to them the power to dictate the rules of consensus. Right now they're using the block size issue to seize power. And believe me, this entire mess is just a dry run for:

    -banning various network participants and blacklisting addresses (Mike Hearn)
    -lifting the 21M coin cap (Peter Rizun)
    -destroying competing chains via hostile mining (Gavin Andresen)

The main pushers of BU aren't very concerned about high fees and slow confirmation times, otherwise they wouldn't mine empty blocks. It's just a wedge they're using to split the community and garner power. The real goal is "emergent consensus", which is just a fancy term for letting whoever owns the most hashpower unilaterally implement whatever change they want.

No intelligent person in their right mind would support BU at this point.
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