Topic: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover - page 13. (Read 8082 times)
It is a little premature to dismiss Bitcoin Classic, the client has not even been released. Miners make the decision in any event. Miners clearly did not care for XT but want 2 MB blocksize now rather than later. If Classic gives that to them with a clean patch to Core the results could be interesting. Will just have to wait and see. I follow all this crap because I find it fascinating and the latest word on Slack is that Classic client will be released end of this month (which usually means two weeks later:) Time to stock up on popcorn.
@Peter R
You are always handy with pretty pictures - but pictures (and especially graphs) are what politicians use to trick people so please don't waste your time on creating pretty pictures for me.
Instead spend your time typing some text that actually means something.
(i.e. welcome to join in the debate but stop posting pictures and start typing text as I don't speak in pictures)
(if you are only good at communicating with pictures then maybe we need a translator to work between the two of us)
You are always handy with pretty pictures - but pictures (and especially graphs) are what politicians use to trick people so please don't waste your time on creating pretty pictures for me.
Instead spend your time typing some text that actually means something.
(i.e. welcome to join in the debate but stop posting pictures and start typing text as I don't speak in pictures)
(if you are only good at communicating with pictures then maybe we need a translator to work between the two of us)
CIYAM:
Do you think it is possible for Core, Classic and Unlimited to co-exist (image on right)?
Do you think it is possible for Core, Classic and Unlimited to co-exist (image on right)?
Wow, old time Bitcoin hardliners are waking up. Well, that took long enough.
I've been saying for about four years that the Bitcoin economy only exists to give miners someplace to spend their mined coins. When that stops there won't be any economy unless something drastic happens. Before the government crackdown people would buy btc to spend on illegal onion network contraband. Now that's over. Does anyone really think people are wasting time buying Bitcoin to transfer a few bucks overseas or buy a gallon of milk? Surely no one here is really that naive.
I've been saying for about four years that the Bitcoin economy only exists to give miners someplace to spend their mined coins. When that stops there won't be any economy unless something drastic happens. Before the government crackdown people would buy btc to spend on illegal onion network contraband. Now that's over. Does anyone really think people are wasting time buying Bitcoin to transfer a few bucks overseas or buy a gallon of milk? Surely no one here is really that naive.
Personally, I feel much safer at Blockstream's maternal bosom.
The core devs do not all work for Blockstream - perhaps you'd like to actually say the % of them that do?
Perhaps I'm misinformed. G.Maxwell is the CTO of __________?
Personally, I feel much safer at Blockstream's maternal bosom.
The core devs do not all work for Blockstream - perhaps you'd like to actually say the % of them that do?
On-topic: There's no neutral position here. Replace-by-fee Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin, either. The whole world is about to change!
RBF is optional.
Block size is not.
Optional in the sense that its very existence will change Bitcoin forever??
You mean Bitcoin Classics existence would change Bitcoin?
Like XT did?
If Bitcoin Classic wins then Gavin is going to be the "benevolent dictator" (which I think has always been his desire).
Do you want him as the overlord?
I guess that is the question (personally I am happier with the Bitcoin Core team as it stands).
Do you want him as the overlord?
I guess that is the question (personally I am happier with the Bitcoin Core team as it stands).
Personally, I feel much safer at Blockstream's maternal bosom.
If Bitcoin Classic wins then Gavin is going to be the "benevolent dictator" (which I think has always been his desire).
Do you want him as the overlord?
I guess that is the question (personally I am happier with the Bitcoin Core team as it stands).
Do you want him as the overlord?
I guess that is the question (personally I am happier with the Bitcoin Core team as it stands).
in case classic classic wins and gavin would act as a benevolent dictator it would just lead to another fork which fixes it.
what is your problem with a bitcoin fork?
i think its the best way to decide blockchain related questions.
it may create a little confusion but that wont last long.
IMHO its the only way to decide such problems for once and forever without having FUDs later.
i think its the best way to decide blockchain related questions.
it may create a little confusion but that wont last long.
IMHO its the only way to decide such problems for once and forever without having FUDs later.
Both are forking anyway, thats hardly the point. Classic is going for a hardfork while core has a softfork ahead.
If Bitcoin Classic wins then Gavin is going to be the "benevolent dictator" (which I think has always been his desire).
Do you want him as the overlord?
I guess that is the question (personally I am happier with the Bitcoin Core team as it stands).
Do you want him as the overlord?
I guess that is the question (personally I am happier with the Bitcoin Core team as it stands).
what is your problem with a bitcoin fork?
i think its the best way to decide blockchain related questions.
it may create a little confusion but that wont last long.
IMHO its the only way to decide such problems for once and forever without having FUDs later.
i think its the best way to decide blockchain related questions.
it may create a little confusion but that wont last long.
IMHO its the only way to decide such problems for once and forever without having FUDs later.
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On-topic: There's no neutral position here. Replace-by-fee Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin, either. The whole world is about to change!
-On-topic: There's no neutral position here. Replace-by-fee Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin, either. The whole world is about to change!
In the light of a serious discussion, what exactly is not bitcoin about opt-in rbf?
On-topic: There's no neutral position here. Replace-by-fee Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin, either. The whole world is about to change!
RBF is optional.
Block size is not.
Optional in the sense that its very existence will change Bitcoin forever??
It isn't the code that is the issue - it is the hostile takeover that is.
Clearly Mike was not as good at politics as Gavin so he tried to stuff in other changes (especially after XT was DDoS attacked).
Gavin has cleverly now gone with something that only changes the one thing (but more importantly puts him back in charge - after they take over who knows what will happen).
Clearly Mike was not as good at politics as Gavin so he tried to stuff in other changes (especially after XT was DDoS attacked).
Gavin has cleverly now gone with something that only changes the one thing (but more importantly puts him back in charge - after they take over who knows what will happen).
Has anyone scrutinized the new proposal to see if any strange code has been added, like they tried with the XT proposal. {I refer to the
IP Blocking & options for tx reversal and blacklisting of coins }
IP Blocking & options for tx reversal and blacklisting of coins }
How many more times?
Anyone find any hidden gems in the Classic code like "blacklisting"?
The code everyone was soiling themselves over last time is actually present in Bitcoin core's repository too, so any node could be running it right now regardless of the client they elect to use. It's not "blacklisting" per se and it's definitely not unique to XT. So yeah, you probably will find that code in Classic, because it's in Core too.
On-topic: There's no neutral position here. Replace-by-fee Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin, either. The whole world is about to change!
RBF is optional.
Block size is not.
I remember clearly the whole BIP 16 vs BIP 17 thing where Gavin attacked Luke-Jr with this topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-open-source-projects-survive-poisonous-people-62037
This was the point that I lost respect for Gavin - attacking someone the way he did then just proved that he was not at all like Satoshi (show me any post where Satoshi behaved like that).
This was the point that I lost respect for Gavin - attacking someone the way he did then just proved that he was not at all like Satoshi (show me any post where Satoshi behaved like that).
I am going to respond to one of the OP's post, because he has a excellent point and I agree with him 100% on this. I know he hates signature posters and I am most probably on his
shit list, but I am going to ask in any way. Has anyone scrutinized the new proposal to see if any strange code has been added, like they tried with the XT proposal. {I refer to the
IP Blocking & options for tx reversal and blacklisting of coins } I still think he {Gavin} just opted for the middle ground on this whole debate, because it was the most popular option
to get his foot in the door. Things will then evolve from there to work towards a so-called hostile takeover.
shit list, but I am going to ask in any way. Has anyone scrutinized the new proposal to see if any strange code has been added, like they tried with the XT proposal. {I refer to the
IP Blocking & options for tx reversal and blacklisting of coins } I still think he {Gavin} just opted for the middle ground on this whole debate, because it was the most popular option
to get his foot in the door. Things will then evolve from there to work towards a so-called hostile takeover.
Sorry. That's just what I call you.
I see - you just like to call people things (I believe there are names for people like you but I'll refrain from saying them).
How about you try and just stay on topic and stop with the snide remarks (or is that too much to ask)?
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