Topic: Bitcoin Core 27.0 Released (Read 2557 times)
the menace of achow never stops
The menace of franky1 never stops. I'll humor you this one time, but do know that I will remove any of your posts from any of my self moderated topics, including this release announcement and future announcements. Your gish gallop deserves no response, and no one should have to read it. Not to mention your continuous abuse and deadnaming towards me.the word "legacy support depreciation" is YOUR(achow) buzzword for removing legacy functionality in core
its YOUR efforts of trying to push it forward
There are many things referred to as "legacy" in Bitcoin Core. The only "legacy" thing being removed that I have been pushing for has been the non-descriptors based wallet which uses BDB. Do not confuse this legacy wallet to be legacy addresses or legacy anything else in Bitcoin and Bitcoin Core.its YOUR efforts of trying to push it forward
multiple default functions and features of legacy have already been depreciated. and you know it. stop pretending. your efforts/campaigns have not been unnoticed
you dont want legacy functionality and its obvious now
No shit sherlock, it's all public, been publicly announced, and publicly discussed. But do not confuse the legacy wallet with legacy address or legacy anything else in Bitcoin and Bitcoin Coreyou dont want legacy functionality and its obvious now
yet you then on this forum pretend its not happening and you pretend to have no involvement or clue about the roadmap plans you want about depreciating legacy support
Nowhere have I ever claimed that.2020
You've highlighted something in red which I assume you want to draw attention to, yet failed to equally highlight the sentence before that which discusses which configuration it is that is actually unsupported. It's not legacy wallets in general, it's specifically two configurations for which the user had to explicitly go out of their way to create using external tooling. Quote from: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20160
Proposed Timeline for Legacy Wallet and BDB removal #20160
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Note that we expect users who go through the effort to make a legacy-sqlite or descriptor-bdb wallet to suck it up and deal with the consequences of doing something that isn't really supported. Such users should be able to figure out for themselves how to migrate their wallets. (Maybe migratewallet can migrate legacy-sqlite to descriptor-sqlite. bdb to sqlite is way easier than legacy to descriptor).
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Note that we expect users who go through the effort to make a legacy-sqlite or descriptor-bdb wallet to suck it up and deal with the consequences of doing something that isn't really supported. Such users should be able to figure out for themselves how to migrate their wallets. (Maybe migratewallet can migrate legacy-sqlite to descriptor-sqlite. bdb to sqlite is way easier than legacy to descriptor).
the menace of achow never stops
the word "legacy support depreciation" is YOUR(achow) buzzword for removing legacy functionality in core
its YOUR efforts of trying to push it forward
multiple default functions and features of legacy have already been depreciated. and you know it. stop pretending. your efforts/campaigns have not been unnoticed
you dont want legacy functionality and its obvious now
yet you then on this forum pretend its not happening and you pretend to have no involvement or clue about the roadmap plans you want about depreciating legacy support
2020
oct 2023
feb 2024
even though in github it shows your multiple attempts and then your own quotes of telling people to suck it up and deal with the consequences
edit to respond to below
no, you andrew chose to delete posts about legacy depreciation in general.. to then stupidly meander the discussion to specifics. everyone knows that many legacy features have been depreciated and you are consorting plans to depreciate more
the post you chose to retain was just one example of feature you want and were involved in depreciating with your attitude of let people suck it up and figure it out for themselves
as for your buzzword of following the social media trends of gender dysmorphia(mental illness). i hope you informed your parents and police that you murdered someone. what should you be charged with.. MANslaughter or assisted suicide?
let me guess you want to pretend you are now a young female child so you can go into school girls bathrooms, is that your real agenda?
you do know that science and even just observation can see that you are not a girl born recently right?
and your personality is still MANipulating and MENacing. you have not changed at all and thats why i am calling you out on your silliness of your pronoun game because i feel you are gaming around and not actually trying to truly transition by the real world methods, it feels like you are just social trending to be part of some community or to satisfy some sexual fetish of your boss you are trying to rub up against
the word "legacy support depreciation" is YOUR(achow) buzzword for removing legacy functionality in core
its YOUR efforts of trying to push it forward
multiple default functions and features of legacy have already been depreciated. and you know it. stop pretending. your efforts/campaigns have not been unnoticed
you dont want legacy functionality and its obvious now
yet you then on this forum pretend its not happening and you pretend to have no involvement or clue about the roadmap plans you want about depreciating legacy support
2020
Quote from: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20160
Proposed Timeline for Legacy Wallet and BDB removal #20160
..
Note that we expect users who go through the effort to make a legacy-sqlite or descriptor-bdb wallet to suck it up and deal with the consequences of doing something that isn't really supported. Such users should be able to figure out for themselves how to migrate their wallets. (Maybe migratewallet can migrate legacy-sqlite to descriptor-sqlite. bdb to sqlite is way easier than legacy to descriptor).
..
Note that we expect users who go through the effort to make a legacy-sqlite or descriptor-bdb wallet to suck it up and deal with the consequences of doing something that isn't really supported. Such users should be able to figure out for themselves how to migrate their wallets. (Maybe migratewallet can migrate legacy-sqlite to descriptor-sqlite. bdb to sqlite is way easier than legacy to descriptor).
oct 2023
achowe: Legacy wallet removal
feb 2024
achowe: Legacy wallet removal #20160
even though in github it shows your multiple attempts and then your own quotes of telling people to suck it up and deal with the consequences
edit to respond to below
no, you andrew chose to delete posts about legacy depreciation in general.. to then stupidly meander the discussion to specifics. everyone knows that many legacy features have been depreciated and you are consorting plans to depreciate more
the post you chose to retain was just one example of feature you want and were involved in depreciating with your attitude of let people suck it up and figure it out for themselves
as for your buzzword of following the social media trends of gender dysmorphia(mental illness). i hope you informed your parents and police that you murdered someone. what should you be charged with.. MANslaughter or assisted suicide?
let me guess you want to pretend you are now a young female child so you can go into school girls bathrooms, is that your real agenda?
you do know that science and even just observation can see that you are not a girl born recently right?
and your personality is still MANipulating and MENacing. you have not changed at all and thats why i am calling you out on your silliness of your pronoun game because i feel you are gaming around and not actually trying to truly transition by the real world methods, it feels like you are just social trending to be part of some community or to satisfy some sexual fetish of your boss you are trying to rub up against
Legacy address types (address types that existed prior to segwit), are not guaranteed to stick around and there has been a little bit of discussion about maybe soft forking them out eventually, but this is not a seriously considered idea yet.
truth is andrew chow is the main instigator that wants to remove legacy address utilityhe is the one that keeps trying to make it part of the roadmap agenda and promoting votes towards getting it prioritised in one of the next versions
However, I dare say "invalidating" legacy outputs would go against Bitcoin principles and it should not even be considered specially not through a soft fork. If anything I would argue for a hard fork to also remove/fix a lot of other mess in the protocol!
Legacy address types (address types that existed prior to segwit), are not guaranteed to stick around and there has been a little bit of discussion about maybe soft forking them out eventually, but this is not a seriously considered idea yet.
truth is andrew chow is the main instigator that wants to remove legacy address utilityhe is the one that keeps trying to make it part of the roadmap agenda and promoting votes towards getting it prioritised in one of the next versions
However, I dare say "invalidating" legacy outputs would go against Bitcoin principles and it should not even be considered specially not through a soft fork. If anything I would argue for a hard fork to also remove/fix a lot of other mess in the protocol!
Thanks achow101 and all contributors to this Bitcoin Core version 27.0 release! 
Hopefully it will be possible to maintain backwards compatibility for legacy address types, I started with a Base 58 (Legacy) on my install of Bitcoin Core. Bitcoin wallets should be accessible in a disaster scenario, or also if someone mined Bitcoin a long time ago but didn't sync until recently.
BTC!
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Legacy address types (address types that existed prior to segwit), are not guaranteed to stick around and there has been a little bit of discussion about maybe soft forking them out eventually, but this is not a seriously considered idea yet.
Hopefully it will be possible to maintain backwards compatibility for legacy address types, I started with a Base 58 (Legacy) on my install of Bitcoin Core. Bitcoin wallets should be accessible in a disaster scenario, or also if someone mined Bitcoin a long time ago but didn't sync until recently.
BTC!
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but is there true consensus among the Bitcoin developers that a migration path from legacy wallets will indeed be supported indefinitely, even decades from now,
Yes. That is why there has been a lot of work put into the implementing the minimum required for migration to work without relying on any external dependencies.and that all legacy formats will remain operational in all newer versions of Bitcoin? I know there may be nuance, and things may change, but I've read some opinions contrary to indefinite legacy wallet migration, and the mixed signals and uncertainty on this topic are concerning.
This sounds like you are conflating legacy wallets with legacy address types. Legacy wallets refer to Bitcoin Core's wallet format only, and has no effect on anything else. Legacy address types (address types that existed prior to segwit), are not guaranteed to stick around and there has been a little bit of discussion about maybe soft forking them out eventually, but this is not a seriously considered idea yet.
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but is there true consensus among the Bitcoin developers that a migration path from legacy wallets will indeed be supported indefinitely, even decades from now,
Yes. That is why there has been a lot of work put into the implementing the minimum required for migration to work without relying on any external dependencies.and that all legacy formats will remain operational in all newer versions of Bitcoin? I know there may be nuance, and things may change, but I've read some opinions contrary to indefinite legacy wallet migration, and the mixed signals and uncertainty on this topic are concerning.
This sounds like you are conflating legacy wallets with legacy address types. Legacy wallets refer to Bitcoin Core's wallet format only, and has no effect on anything else. Legacy address types (address types that existed prior to segwit), are not guaranteed to stick around and there has been a little bit of discussion about maybe soft forking them out eventually, but this is not a seriously considered idea yet. New transport protocol, new wallet formats and options. These are the very basic of Bitcoin that should not be touched without great necessity and majority consensus. Imagine I go to prison for 10 years. Or join army. Or enter coma after colliding with train. When I get back to my computer I should be able to turn on my computer and sync the Bitcoin client right away. Bitcoin now have become a value storage medium in addition to tool for transactions.
These features are not added "without reason".The new transport protocol is specifically an encrypted protocol in order to make it harder to censor Bitcoin nodes. However, just because a new protocol is introduced doesn't mean that the original protocol is going away. The new protocol has considerations for backwards compatibility so it will be possible for nodes that don't understand it to still be able to connect to the network.
The new wallet format is specifically BDB is entirely unmaintained and unmaintainable. Keeping the software in general up to date is generally a hard task, and gets harder when there are dependencies that are difficult to maintain. Even so, the change to the new wallet format is still specifically being done in a way to allow users with old wallets to still be able to use them in the future. There will be a migration path that will live indefinitely, and this will allow those people to load their old wallets and migrate them to the new format. This will not result in any loss of funds, whether preexisting, or new funds sent to old addresses.
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but is there true consensus among the Bitcoin developers that a migration path from legacy wallets will indeed be supported indefinitely, even decades from now, and that all legacy formats will remain operational in all newer versions of Bitcoin? I know there may be nuance, and things may change, but I've read some opinions contrary to indefinite legacy wallet migration, and the mixed signals and uncertainty on this topic are concerning.
Can someone simplify the whole thing about Bitcoin Core.27.0 and is it going help reduce cost of trxn and enhance speed?
It doesn't really do any of that except for the BIP324 part which makes connections between nodes more private.
It has already been covered extensively by achow101 in the post above.
But Bitcoin Core in general has no influence on txn cost and speed.
Can someone simplify the whole thing about Bitcoin Core.27.0 and is it going help reduce cost of trxn and enhance speed?
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I'm curious, which feature you're talking about?
New transport protocol, new wallet formats and options. These are the very basic of Bitcoin that should not be touched without great necessity and majority consensus. Imagine I go to prison for 10 years. Or join army. Or enter coma after colliding with train. When I get back to my computer I should be able to turn on my computer and sync the Bitcoin client right away. Bitcoin now have become a value storage medium in addition to tool for transactions.Aside from what @achow101 said, personally i expect older version of Bitcoin Core still can connect to network and sync in the future. In 2022, Jameson Lopp manage to run full node with Bitcoin Core version 0.8 which released on 2013[1]. Although you would miss any performance improvement and bug/security fix.
[1] https://blog.lopp.net/bitcoin-core-performance-evolution/
New transport protocol, new wallet formats and options. These are the very basic of Bitcoin that should not be touched without great necessity and majority consensus. Imagine I go to prison for 10 years. Or join army. Or enter coma after colliding with train. When I get back to my computer I should be able to turn on my computer and sync the Bitcoin client right away. Bitcoin now have become a value storage medium in addition to tool for transactions.
These features are not added "without reason".The new transport protocol is specifically an encrypted protocol in order to make it harder to censor Bitcoin nodes. However, just because a new protocol is introduced doesn't mean that the original protocol is going away. The new protocol has considerations for backwards compatibility so it will be possible for nodes that don't understand it to still be able to connect to the network.
The new wallet format is specifically BDB is entirely unmaintained and unmaintainable. Keeping the software in general up to date is generally a hard task, and gets harder when there are dependencies that are difficult to maintain. Even so, the change to the new wallet format is still specifically being done in a way to allow users with old wallets to still be able to use them in the future. There will be a migration path that will live indefinitely, and this will allow those people to load their old wallets and migrate them to the new format. This will not result in any loss of funds, whether preexisting, or new funds sent to old addresses.
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Although i also wonder whether Bitcoin Core actually support Windows 7 or 8.
Running Bitcoin Core 27.0 64-bit on Windows 7 SP1 64-bit right now without issuses. I confirm it works.Quote
I'm curious, which feature you're talking about?
New transport protocol, new wallet formats and options. These are the very basic of Bitcoin that should not be touched without great necessity and majority consensus. Imagine I go to prison for 10 years. Or join army. Or enter coma after colliding with train. When I get back to my computer I should be able to turn on my computer and sync the Bitcoin client right away. Bitcoin now have become a value storage medium in addition to tool for transactions. Would not C++20 requirement cause C++ runtime files being required on Windows and in turn not working on Windows7 or 8?
Looking at microsoft website, i don't think that would happen.
Also it appears that Bitcoin have catched mild form of featuritis causing bloat without reason.
I'm curious, which feature you're talking about?
Would not C++20 requirement cause C++ runtime files being required on Windows and in turn not working on Windows7 or 8?
Also it appears that Bitcoin have catched mild form of featuritis causing bloat without reason.
Also it appears that Bitcoin have catched mild form of featuritis causing bloat without reason.
Wow, version 27.0 of Bitcoin Core seems packed with updates! I'm particularly intrigued by the introduction of CoinGrinder for coin selection. I wonder how much this will impact transaction costs and overall efficiency. Also, the move towards a C++20 compiler requirement is interesting. I'm curious about the implications for developers and the ecosystem as a whole. Any insights or thoughts on these changes?
What about Apple iOS is it able to mine and others work smoothly with apply IOS system?
I want to try it with apple ios system.
I want to try it with apple ios system.
I have tested v.27.0 on a few machines running either Linux or Windows 10/11 and got the feeling that updated nodes halt (when needed) all operations a bit faster than when they were armored with previous v. 26.0
Anyone can confirm this observation or it is solely my impression?
Anyone can confirm this observation or it is solely my impression?
Ty to everyone who contribute to this update!!!
Please, never forget to Verifying Bitcoin Core before you install/use it, is a good practice... also go to the source and check those SHA256SUMS by yourselft.
Please, never forget to Verifying Bitcoin Core before you install/use it, is a good practice... also go to the source and check those SHA256SUMS by yourselft.
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