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Topic: Bitcoin Core or XT? POLL - page 3. (Read 12702 times)

legendary
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June 10, 2015, 10:14:36 PM
Bitinfocharts says there's over 42k nodes.  That chart says there's 6k.   Huh
That is saying it has found 42k nodes total that ever existed and were at one point peering. The 6k is the number of nodes currently online and active.

Thanks.  Kind of alarming the number of nodes keeps dropping.

Not really, you only need to run a node if you are invested in keeping the protocol from changing otherwise you can just use an SPV wallet.

What is problematic is just a fiew Core developers like Luke-jr can force their will on us knowing full well transaction costs will go to their lighting network and sidechains.

I would say you're incorrect.  A network with only a few nodes would be susceptible to a cyber attack.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
June 10, 2015, 10:01:51 PM
Bitinfocharts says there's over 42k nodes.  That chart says there's 6k.   Huh
That is saying it has found 42k nodes total that ever existed and were at one point peering. The 6k is the number of nodes currently online and active.

Thanks.  Kind of alarming the number of nodes keeps dropping.

Not really, you only need to run a node if you are invested in keeping the protocol from changing otherwise you can just use an SPV wallet.

What is problematic is just a fiew Core developers like Luke-jr can force their will on us knowing full well transaction costs will go to their lighting network and sidechains.
legendary
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
June 10, 2015, 09:56:52 PM



What's wrong with a 4MB upgrade this year?

Classic move. Ask for 20 and accept 4.




It would be fine but I don't think they want to have to go through this mess again in a couple years.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
June 10, 2015, 09:56:19 PM
Bitinfocharts says there's over 42k nodes.  That chart says there's 6k.   Huh
That is saying it has found 42k nodes total that ever existed and were at one point peering. The 6k is the number of nodes currently online and active.

Thanks.  Kind of alarming the number of nodes keeps dropping.

And it would continue to drop with Gavincoin. In the end you'll ask yourself "why not use visa instead?".
Here's a quote from luke-Jr conceding that limiting block size will result in transaction costs higher than credit cards today and Bitcoin being good for just paying your credit card bill.
Quote from: Luke-jr Core developer on the future of Bitcoin
You make a good point. I suppose credit cards could simply bill you and get paid every month with bitcoins on the blockchain. Will need to ponder this more...

[/quote ]
Ref: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38giar/analysis_graphs_of_block_sizes/cruz3n3
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1004
June 10, 2015, 09:54:02 PM



What's wrong with a 4MB upgrade this year?

Classic move. Ask for 20 and accept 4.


legendary
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Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
June 10, 2015, 09:10:28 PM
Gavin Andresen is Bitcoin. How could anyone vote against him?

Nick: QuestionAuthority. ROTFL.

So sarcasm is lost on you I see.
full member
Activity: 882
Merit: 102
PayAccept - Worldwide payments accepted in seconds
June 10, 2015, 09:01:57 PM
Bitinfocharts says there's over 42k nodes.  That chart says there's 6k.   Huh
That is saying it has found 42k nodes total that ever existed and were at one point peering. The 6k is the number of nodes currently online and active.

Thanks.  Kind of alarming the number of nodes keeps dropping.

And it would continue to drop with Gavincoin. In the end you'll ask yourself "why not use visa instead?".
rax
member
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Merit: 12
June 10, 2015, 08:52:48 PM
Gavin Andresen is Bitcoin. How could anyone vote against him?

Nick: QuestionAuthority. ROTFL.
legendary
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
June 10, 2015, 08:08:37 PM
Bitinfocharts says there's over 42k nodes.  That chart says there's 6k.   Huh
That is saying it has found 42k nodes total that ever existed and were at one point peering. The 6k is the number of nodes currently online and active.

Thanks.  Kind of alarming the number of nodes keeps dropping.
staff
Activity: 3458
Merit: 6793
Just writing some code
June 10, 2015, 07:52:01 PM
Bitinfocharts says there's over 42k nodes.  That chart says there's 6k.   Huh
That is saying it has found 42k nodes total that ever existed and were at one point peering. The 6k is the number of nodes currently online and active.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
June 10, 2015, 07:47:04 PM
Is really people going to change to bitcoin xt? how does that work? a new coin ? or I keep having my bitcoins in xt?

nothing changes for every day users if the majority switches, (or doesn't switch for that matter) what does change is the centralized core development team becomes a little more decentralized with less centralized power to co-opt all force changes on all nodes.

ultimately you would want 3 or 4 or more versions of node software all running the same protocol, that way no core developers could propose radical changes without the majority consensus of the network of users choosing a path.  

XT is the first viable option to achieving this balance, the centralized Bitcoin Core Development team have discouraged competition and could be subconsciously or consciously limiting the growth of Bitcoin to leverage new technologies they have in development.  
legendary
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
June 10, 2015, 07:37:03 PM
Bitinfocharts says there's over 42k nodes.  That chart says there's 6k.   Huh
member
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Amazix
June 10, 2015, 07:23:34 PM

Finally, we're getting what we need ... an iron-willed individual ready to take the bull by the horns and steer Bitcoin into victory lane.

lol, the drunken Goldcoin-guy  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 2506
Merit: 1030
Twitter @realmicroguy
June 10, 2015, 07:09:51 PM
You can see how many XT nodes are running here:

http://www.xtnodes.com

Quite a bit of growth in the past week

Finally, we're getting what we need ... an iron-willed individual ready to take the bull by the horns and steer Bitcoin into victory lane.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 503
June 10, 2015, 07:05:41 PM
Is really people going to change to bitcoin xt? how does that work? a new coin ? or I keep having my bitcoins in xt?
member
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Amazix
June 10, 2015, 06:49:46 PM
Debate is settled. Proposal denied. Gavin just a waste of everyones' time.

But i think it was good Gavin came out the altcoin closet so now we know where he's at. We all hope he'll resign rather sooner than later to not cause everyone more trouble.

When will ICO for Gavincoin2 start?
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
June 10, 2015, 06:37:45 PM
I'm an old school Bitcoiner, mining since 2011,
to preserve the fundamentals in the protocol
I'll be voting with an XT node. 
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1006
100 satoshis -> ISO code
June 10, 2015, 05:33:37 PM
That's why I support the idea of getting rid of the Proof-of-Work mining altogether and replacing it with Proof-of-Stake. Right now miners are parasites to the network. The only owners of the network are actual bitcoin holders.

Satoshi's invention of mining (which probably should have been called "confirming") not only secures the blockchain but has one very important side-effect: the disbursement of the 21 million coins into as many hands as possible, i.e. distributing BTC wealth. This job is 2/3rds complete.

Would we prefer it if 73 people who happened to be around in the first months of 2009 got all the BTC to begin with?
legendary
Activity: 4060
Merit: 1250
Owner at AltQuick.com
June 10, 2015, 04:46:59 PM
I upgraded to Bitcoin XT today, I will of course download the latest version as soon as it's ready for bigger blocks.

Fucking altcoiner! Wink Tongue
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1072
June 10, 2015, 01:29:15 AM
I voted core...

But I am old school.
I am also a professional miner.
If 20MB blocks go through, I will have to shut my node down entirely and go mine another coin.
In my world, it's the core or nothing at all... whilst I want to remain in Bitcoin, I won't be able to save my earnings and will be auto-sold.
Put more downwards selling pressure on the network... I'm just one miner, though not the only one.
.....

To me, the devs are nothing but power trippers looking for something to do, to establish their usefulness.
Gavin's just another thoughtless brain dead liberal trying to play follow the leader.
Just like union cock suckers, no one matters to them but themselves and their skin flute orchestra.

GO USE OTHER COINS!!!  BITCOIN IS TOO FUCKING SLOW!!!!
Then you will see that the Btcoin block size is fine the way it is and that Bitcoin really sucks as a crypto.



it will take years before there will be 20MB blocks...

It's disheartening to see that even a miner, the people I would expect to have at least some technical knowledge and be capable of making an informed decision, can get this concept mixed up so easily.  Why is it so difficult for people to comprehend?  You will only be processing the transactions that are there, same as you do now.  It's not like there's going to be an extra 50 million transactions overnight just because the fork goes ahead.  In future, there will likely be more transactions and the network needs to be able to handle that.  The extra users will be including fees with their transactions if they want them processed urgently, just like users do now, so there will be more revenue coming in to help pay for any additional bandwidth costs. 

this is the reason why they want to avoid it, because it does not scale, and you will end up with so much space that it is no needed, one could argue that in the case bitcoin start to skyrocket randomly within 1 year(not talking about price only, but adoption also, the latter can increase in not time if there is enough interest from people), it would be useful to have more space, but the chances for this, are still to slim, and therefore it is better to increase it step by step

it should not be so hard for dev to implement a code in the client that increase the limit everytime it reach saturation
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