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sr. member
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May 06, 2017, 11:24:59 AM
I've just read the whole story and the posts under this thread. What I can is that you guys are making the bitcoindeviate from how it is actually and currently. I don't really understand how you find these type of ideas... Anyways, you can keep discussing something which is not true.
legendary
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May 06, 2017, 11:24:20 AM
Bitcoin is only used as a tool and that should be prevented is bitcoin users and not bitcoin, I think the same thing with this may be some people abusing bitcoin but I believe that all the problems that exist in the bitcoin can be overcome
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May 06, 2017, 11:19:03 AM
Bitcoin's anonymity is really a great characteristic. It enables users to use BTC in any transactions with nearly no traces. But is this really a good thing? Let us consider utilizing bitcoin in a negative way. Since bitcoin is considered currency, there is no doubt that a person that needs money will not reject bitcoin even if it involves unethical or illegal act.

Due to the anonymity of bitcoin, some uses bitcoin in a negative way [citation needed]. They can easily use bitcoin in paying others to commit crimes. They can even use bitcoin in bribery and/or money laundering. This characteristic of bitcoin are abused [citation needed] and it will never end well.

For the case of terrorism, terrorist can easily purchase weaponry from other country. With the use of transaction using bitcoin, authorities will have a hard time tracing that transaction thus, will give advantage to the side of terrorists.

This is not an impossible scenario. People can now use bitcoin in any way they want to. It's inevitable.

I share the same sentiments as above. That is why some countries do not support the use of Bitcoins because it has successfully penetrated their respective jurisdictions without requisite regulations.

I really think that Bitcoins can go a long way for the better, however, its proliferation should submit to a State regulation in order to do away with illicit businesses that come with it. Just like a normal currency which is developed as a means of exchange but is still widely used as means to create crimes, Bitcoins also have the same dilemma. Thus, the only answer is a sound regulation that will address this issue. The aforesaid regulation cannot be expected to do away with all the negative intricacies but will only somehow eliminate the unacceptable side. 
Bitcoin is essentially the perfect anarcho-capitalist currency, and that's the issue that governments have with it. Trying to regulate it will do nothing to the terrorist cell or the criminal and it hurts the average user far more than anyone else. Terrorists will still get their money, criminals will go back to using cash or other illicit means, and nothing happens to really stop anything.
Regulation is not going to solve their issues, especially considering Bitcoin is used for crime that typically has very few victims and is rarely used by terrorists, aside from some high-profile cases like the Paris attacks.
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May 06, 2017, 11:11:18 AM
Bitcoin's anonymity is really a great characteristic. It enables users to use BTC in any transactions with nearly no traces. But is this really a good thing? Let us consider utilizing bitcoin in a negative way. Since bitcoin is considered currency, there is no doubt that a person that needs money will not reject bitcoin even if it involves unethical or illegal act.

Due to the anonymity of bitcoin, some uses bitcoin in a negative way [citation needed]. They can easily use bitcoin in paying others to commit crimes. They can even use bitcoin in bribery and/or money laundering. This characteristic of bitcoin are abused [citation needed] and it will never end well.

For the case of terrorism, terrorist can easily purchase weaponry from other country. With the use of transaction using bitcoin, authorities will have a hard time tracing that transaction thus, will give advantage to the side of terrorists.

This is not an impossible scenario. People can now use bitcoin in any way they want to. It's inevitable.

I share the same sentiments as above. That is why some countries do not support the use of Bitcoins because it has successfully penetrated their respective jurisdictions without requisite regulations.

I really think that Bitcoins can go a long way for the better, however, its proliferation should submit to a State regulation in order to do away with illicit businesses that come with it. Just like a normal currency which is developed as a means of exchange but is still widely used as means to create crimes, Bitcoins also have the same dilemma. Thus, the only answer is a sound regulation that will address this issue. The aforesaid regulation cannot be expected to do away with all the negative intricacies but will only somehow eliminate the unacceptable side. 

This much like the barrier that hinders certain countries to acknowledge bitcoins. Gaining anonymity on bitcoin transaction gives advantage to those terrorist who were collecting money through illegal means. This means that we would have difficulty to track where the funds came from and where it would be send.
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May 06, 2017, 10:59:54 AM
Bitcoin's anonymity is really a great characteristic. It enables users to use BTC in any transactions with nearly no traces. But is this really a good thing? Let us consider utilizing bitcoin in a negative way. Since bitcoin is considered currency, there is no doubt that a person that needs money will not reject bitcoin even if it involves unethical or illegal act.

Due to the anonymity of bitcoin, some uses bitcoin in a negative way [citation needed]. They can easily use bitcoin in paying others to commit crimes. They can even use bitcoin in bribery and/or money laundering. This characteristic of bitcoin are abused [citation needed] and it will never end well.

For the case of terrorism, terrorist can easily purchase weaponry from other country. With the use of transaction using bitcoin, authorities will have a hard time tracing that transaction thus, will give advantage to the side of terrorists.

This is not an impossible scenario. People can now use bitcoin in any way they want to. It's inevitable.

I share the same sentiments as above. That is why some countries do not support the use of Bitcoins because it has successfully penetrated their respective jurisdictions without requisite regulations.

I really think that Bitcoins can go a long way for the better, however, its proliferation should submit to a State regulation in order to do away with illicit businesses that come with it. Just like a normal currency which is developed as a means of exchange but is still widely used as means to create crimes, Bitcoins also have the same dilemma. Thus, the only answer is a sound regulation that will address this issue. The aforesaid regulation cannot be expected to do away with all the negative intricacies but will only somehow eliminate the unacceptable side. 
hero member
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April 16, 2017, 11:24:38 AM
Yes, There are multiple cases in which Bitcoins can be used illegally. Bitcoins bring with it, a notion of anonymity which allows people to transact without revealing their identity. This privilege can be highly misused. However all exchanges in the world mostly are following Anti Money Laundering and Know your customer Policy to avoid any illegal activity by any user of Bitcoins.

Anonymous is the biggest bitcoin problem and very serious thing that must be immediately resolved, it's time to wallet provider verifying bitcoin user identity, so if there are problems of course can be accountable.
i do not think that it is a problems it is one of the best characteristic of bitcoin and most of the people like bitcoin because of its anonymity. if bitcoin will lost this characteristic then its popularity will also effect. therefore we can hope that bitcoin will continue its anonymity characteristic for ever.
sr. member
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April 16, 2017, 11:17:36 AM
If anonymity and secrecy are good for crime, then bitcoins are bad for crime. Bitcoin are just like cash, the identity of the buyer and seller are anonymous to one another and everyone else.  However, the payment network that processes bitcoin transactions is complete transparent.  Anyone in the world can look up the exact path of every bitcoin transaction of all time.  This information is stored in the block chain. bitcoins offer criminals no secrecy and only a a trivial amount of anonymity.
legendary
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April 16, 2017, 11:12:53 AM
This leaked Wikileaks reiterated something we already suspected: Our devices are not 100% safe. No matter what type of encryption we use, it does not matter what "secure messaging" applications we use, no matter how careful we are when we enable 2FA authentication. The CIA (and we must assume that other hackers as well) can invade our operating systems, take control of our cameras and microphones, and do what we please with our phones. The same can be said of Smart TVs, which can be programmed to record our conversations in the living room without us noticing.

Yes, this is a great point. Remember the investigation into Silk Road? How many feds were working that investigation.. maybe 10.. 20? probably not a huge amount, and yet we know at least two (and there was probably more) of them that tried to turn themselves into millionaires by stealing bitcoins. How many government hackers and others involved in bitcoin investigations (in the US and elsewhere) are going to pass up taking funds from addresses they can gain access to? Well, from our sample we see it looks like a fairly high percentage try to steal. I think it's reasonable to assume then that a large number of crypto thefts are perpetrated by government agency employees.
sr. member
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April 16, 2017, 09:36:33 AM
This leaked Wikileaks reiterated something we already suspected: Our devices are not 100% safe. No matter what type of encryption we use, it does not matter what "secure messaging" applications we use, no matter how careful we are when we enable 2FA authentication. The CIA (and we must assume that other hackers as well) can invade our operating systems, take control of our cameras and microphones, and do what we please with our phones. The same can be said of Smart TVs, which can be programmed to record our conversations in the living room without us noticing.
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April 15, 2017, 01:57:24 PM
Yes, There are multiple cases in which Bitcoins can be used illegally. Bitcoins bring with it, a notion of anonymity which allows people to transact without revealing their identity. This privilege can be highly misused. However all exchanges in the world mostly are following Anti Money Laundering and Know your customer Policy to avoid any illegal activity by any user of Bitcoins.

Anonymous is the biggest bitcoin problem and very serious thing that must be immediately resolved, it's time to wallet provider verifying bitcoin user identity, so if there are problems of course can be accountable.

How come that anonymity is a problem? This is a characteristic of bitcoin and others are just using it negatively. Some wallet providers already had that kind of feature. They are requiring for a government-issued ID (a picture of that ID), even they require the wallet user to take a selfie for verification, as well as verifying email and cellphone numbers. These type of wallet is already existing.
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April 15, 2017, 02:58:12 AM
Yes, There are multiple cases in which Bitcoins can be used illegally. Bitcoins bring with it, a notion of anonymity which allows people to transact without revealing their identity. This privilege can be highly misused. However all exchanges in the world mostly are following Anti Money Laundering and Know your customer Policy to avoid any illegal activity by any user of Bitcoins.

Anonymous is the biggest bitcoin problem and very serious thing that must be immediately resolved, it's time to wallet provider verifying bitcoin user identity, so if there are problems of course can be accountable.
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April 14, 2017, 04:23:47 AM
Anonymous does not always produce evil act, anonymity can also be used to do good. it all depends on the user and our perception Anonymous does not always produce evil act, anonymity can also be used to do good. it all depends on the user and our perception.
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April 14, 2017, 02:45:00 AM
There's no such thing as untraceable in todays age, the tech people, developers and security researchers will surely find a way to trace those people whose using it illegally.
And since the beginning of it's creation bitcoin was first widely use in darknets and deepwebs for illegal purchasing of stuffs then people from the world wide web started to discover it because of it's awesomeness. If you ask me nothing has really change for bitcoin.

There is such thing that still untraceable today, Please do a research first before you give this kind of opinion. I will some example for this, If you are familiar to Anonymous group and their activities you will realize that you don't have a point for saying such things like this, There group always attacks government website and database but still they are not been identified and arrested, They are using advance stealth mode to cover their location/IP address so that even though US government will not detect them. The innovation on this world is limitless, So if the tracing system will be upgrade then stealth mode will be upgraded too.

The Anonymous group you are saying are not entirely untraceable. They are traceable but it is very difficult. They are just brilliant in hiding their identity. As long as they are in the cyber world, nothing is untraceable, it may be difficult but they are not entirely untraceable. You said it yourself, "if the tracing system will be upgraded", meaning there is a possible way, regardless if they upgrade their stealth mode, there is still a way to trace them.
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April 14, 2017, 01:51:37 AM
Any type of currency can be utilized for illegal activities so this is never a peculiar feature for Bitcoin. This is the reason why government institutions are now trying to exercise some control by implementing KYC on the sender and the receiver of the Bitcoin which in a way not hampering Bitcoin in my opinion. No matter if Bitcoin is really anonymous, we can find creative ways to somehow control people who have negative intentions and purpose in using Bitcoin.
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 12:57:05 AM
1. Terrorists/other criminals will always find their way to make transactions, if you somehow make cryptocurrencies and cash disappear, they will use precious metals and gems. You can't shut them down by removing their currency.

2. Limiting freedom of whole nation to deal with terrorists is not acceptable, especially when you take into account how common it is for governments to abuse their power.

3. Bitcoin's main innovation is being uncontrollable by governments, without it Bitcoin will be worth nothing.
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April 14, 2017, 12:50:47 AM
Bitcoin, Crimes and Terrorism is not a new one for us because those are existing even the bitcoin is not yet released, And we can't say that the growth of crime and terrorism just grow faster because of the bitcoin because i didn't agree with that because even the fiat money are being used to support those kind of illegal activities. We can't blame anything for those kinds of activities because they will find ways (criminals, terrorists) just to execute fund for them.

Terrorists and other illegal activists are using bitcoins for many years now. Its an open secret, everybody knows this. The governments take Bitcoin transactions suspiciously because of this. There are only some governments who are Bitcoin friendly.
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April 14, 2017, 12:36:27 AM
Bitcoin, Crimes and Terrorism is not a new one for us because those are existing even the bitcoin is not yet released, And we can't say that the growth of crime and terrorism just grow faster because of the bitcoin because i didn't agree with that because even the fiat money are being used to support those kind of illegal activities. We can't blame anything for those kinds of activities because they will find ways (criminals, terrorists) just to execute fund for them.

if you think of it, bitcoin is not the perfect companion of funding criminals or terrorists because it requires them to be online one way or another when using the internet
which could giveaway their locations. imo fiat remains the number 1 preference to use for such activities and bitcoin can not be held responsible for illegal activities that have existed before it .
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April 14, 2017, 12:15:07 AM
Bitcoin, Crimes and Terrorism is not a new one for us because those are existing even the bitcoin is not yet released, And we can't say that the growth of crime and terrorism just grow faster because of the bitcoin because i didn't agree with that because even the fiat money are being used to support those kind of illegal activities. We can't blame anything for those kinds of activities because they will find ways (criminals, terrorists) just to execute fund for them.
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April 14, 2017, 12:01:08 AM
This depends on its users, we can't blame bitcoin due used for illegal activities such as criminals, purchase drugs, terrorists and others. better to punish the culprit is not the means of payment bitcoin.
Yes true, illegal transactions already exists although many ways done to prevent it, such as blocking the bank account. We do not blame the presence of the bitcoin as triggers illegal transactions because it depends of the user.

Bitcoin currency just isn't authorized by reason of premature and uncontrollable, so naturally many people consider bitcoin transaction means a crime is illegal. But on the other hand great country will not close bitcoin, they understand the future potential of bitcoin could control the world. If bitcoin when used for terrorist transactions was only natural because there is no governing trade via bitcoin.
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April 13, 2017, 11:41:20 PM
This depends on its users, we can't blame bitcoin due used for illegal activities such as criminals, purchase drugs, terrorists and others. better to punish the culprit is not the means of payment bitcoin.
Yes true, illegal transactions already exists although many ways done to prevent it, such as blocking the bank account. We do not blame the presence of the bitcoin as triggers illegal transactions because it depends of the user.
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