Hi, I like your idea. I am the creator of Propster website, and I am considering implementing it. Let me know if you want to participate on this feature. I also started a tip jar for this idea:
https://propster.hypervolume.com/tipjar/0C7DCJC
Topic: Bitcoin crowdsourcing (Read 2550 times)
Imagine a system of government where everything spent by the government was funded this way. You may have a city with property taxes that need to be paid each year. Each person pays in their amount and votes with their dollars where they want their tax dollars to go. The same situation happens if you do not pay toward anything as would happen if you do not pay your taxes. But this way you get to choose what gets done in your city and where your money goes.
The above system collapses if no-one chooses for their tax to be used to fund the violent taking of money from those who don't pay. Just sayin'.There is always someone out there that wants other people to part with their money.
Studies have actually been done showing that people are willing to burn their own money if it results in someone with more money burning theirs as well.
Imagine a system of government where everything spent by the government was funded this way. You may have a city with property taxes that need to be paid each year. Each person pays in their amount and votes with their dollars where they want their tax dollars to go. The same situation happens if you do not pay toward anything as would happen if you do not pay your taxes. But this way you get to choose what gets done in your city and where your money goes.
The above system collapses if no-one chooses for their tax to be used to fund the violent taking of money from those who don't pay. Just sayin'. Why doesn't the person raising funds just state specifically how the money will be spent at the outset?
I was thinking more along the lines of a group of people with a similar goal but they need to see how much money they will have before going ahead with that goal.
This allows a lot of people with a similar interest to get involved and participate in the decision process and then have that final vote on one of the final choices that is presented.
You may have a hunting club and you may all want to rent a cabin during the prime hunting season, everyone decides they will put in 100 BTC each for the week. They are not sure how many people they will be able to get to go or what everyone may want to do. So they do this crowdfunding and they may go through several different options until enough people agree on a single choice. The beauty of it is that all of the people who pay, agree with the choice. Those who do not agree do not pay.
Imagine a system of government where everything spent by the government was funded this way. You may have a city with property taxes that need to be paid each year. Each person pays in their amount and votes with their dollars where they want their tax dollars to go. The same situation happens if you do not pay toward anything as would happen if you do not pay your taxes. But this way you get to choose what gets done in your city and where your money goes.
Also, for those things funded where the people who funded get benefits, you can use the wallet as your identification. Like with the hunting club idea. You show up and pay .0001 BTC from the wallet you used to verify your admission. It allows for anonymity.
Given the community nature of Bitcoin users, a Bitcoin-powered site similar to Kickstarter.com might go over very well (KS is a crowdsourcing site, but geared more towards "fan funding" than simple crowd funding.)
Frank
Frank
Trying to do something similar, but I don't think I have quite the right angle for this to be successful, but I am currently writing something up that will hopefully change that.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mini-rig-crowdfunding-idea-82255
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Kris
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mini-rig-crowdfunding-idea-82255
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Kris
Hasn't Max Keiser got a website that does this already for filming projects? I remember that it didn't look that nice however it did accept bitcoins.
+1 to the original idea though, I'd love to see something like this implemented well.
+1 to the original idea though, I'd love to see something like this implemented well.
Greed is not a problem as long as it is kept in check by rule of Law (property rights mainly). Which is exactly what Bitcoin and the various services that flourish around it allows, and which is not what Wall street has (they use the coercion of the State imposing fiat money to make tremendous profits).
Any thoughts? Tweaks, downfalls?
Yes, the BitCoin crowd are as greedy as the Wall Street goons, you'd have more luck squeezing blood out of a rock than getting a BitCent out of these tightwads!
lol jk 
Why doesn't the person raising funds just state specifically how the money will be spent at the outset?
Here is the idea:
Set up a way with Bitcoin for a large amount of people to fund something and "vote" on it in a unanimous way where those who do not agree with the vote do not have to contribute.
Here is the summary:
You get a group together with a common goal. They all pledge so much money until enough people have joined and put their money toward it. Then the final distribution of the money is determined and if enough of the group agrees, then their money is put toward the final goal.
Example:
A group of people want to purchase a TV commercial. The organizer of the idea says "We will need around $10,000 to produce and run this commercial", we are asking for 100 people to contribute $100 each. People start putting $100 in their wallet pledged toward the commercial project. Once the number is reached the organizer says "We were able to find a production company to make the commercial for $2,500 and negotiated a slot on the Sunday business show for $5,500 totaling $8,000. Please vote if you support this plan by the end of the week. Supporters all move their $100 into the pot. If they do not reach $8,000 in the given time, the money is refunded to each person and they work toward another solution. If the goal is reached, the money is transferred to the production company and the TV station and the commercial is produced.
How Bitcoin can help:
Same thing, a common goal. The guidelines are outlined. The organizer gives a Bitcoin address for the project with a goal in BTC. People pledge by transferring BTC to a dedicated wallet. They then send .0001 BTC to the Bitcoin address (other numbers can be used to signal different options. ex. .0002 BTC indicates preference 'B'). The .0001 BTC is refunded and that pledge is added to the tally. That wallet address is monitored to see if the money is removed. If the money is removed, the tally goes down indicating the pledger is no longer interested. Once the pledges reach the goal, the organizer puts forth the solution and the needed BTC. Pledgers indicate their approval by sending the full amount of the pledge. If the goal is not met, the BTC is refunded to those wallets and work continues. Otherwise, the organizer executes the solution and the goal is satisfied.
Example with BTC:
A group of people want to purchase a TV commercial. The organizer of the idea says "We will need around $10,000 to purchase and run this commercial. Here is the BTC address to pledge to: xxxx, indicate your preference: send .0001 for Sunday news program, send .0002 for Monday evening talk show, send .0003 for Saturday morning weekly roundup program.", we are asking for 100 people to pledge 20 BTC each. People start putting 20 BTC into a wallet. They send .0001, 2 or 3 to the address and keep the rest of the funds in their wallet. Once the number gets close to 200 BTC the organizer says "We were able to find a production company to make the commercial for $2,500 and negotiated a slot on the Sunday business show for $5,500 totalling $8,000, at today's rate that would be 160 BTC. Please vote if you support this plan by the end of the week by sending your full amount to address xxxx. Supporters start transferring 20 BTC into the pot each. If they do not reach 160 BTC in the given time, the money is transferred back to the originating addresses and they continue to try to find another solution. If the goal is reached, the BTC is either converted to $$$ to pay the companies, or the originator talks the companies into accepting BTC and transfers the funds for payment and the commercial is produced.
Possible use cases:
A bunch of Bitcoin users buy an island (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-island-82060). Each person who contributed will be able to prove their membership on the island by showing up on the island and paying with BTC from their pledge wallet.
Club membership (dues require X amount spent on pledged programs per year).
Funding for BTC project
Charitable contributions
Startup company
Fund a movie/commercial
disaster relief
political contributions
Fund a piece of art
much more...similar to projects on http://www.kickstarter.com
A web page could be set up for this with the tally and pledges all monitored by monitoring the chain. You could also have the option of allowing people to pledge their set aside BTC to several projects and whichever the pledger supports first will get the BTC and the tally for the other projects will reflect the decrease in their own pledge.
The main point of trust is in the final transfer, trusting the organizer to use the money to fund the project as opposed to taking the money and splitting. The web site could keep track of past projects for each organizer and show how well they were handled. But for most of the project, the money sits in your own wallet.
Any thoughts? Tweaks, downfalls?
Set up a way with Bitcoin for a large amount of people to fund something and "vote" on it in a unanimous way where those who do not agree with the vote do not have to contribute.
Here is the summary:
You get a group together with a common goal. They all pledge so much money until enough people have joined and put their money toward it. Then the final distribution of the money is determined and if enough of the group agrees, then their money is put toward the final goal.
Example:
A group of people want to purchase a TV commercial. The organizer of the idea says "We will need around $10,000 to produce and run this commercial", we are asking for 100 people to contribute $100 each. People start putting $100 in their wallet pledged toward the commercial project. Once the number is reached the organizer says "We were able to find a production company to make the commercial for $2,500 and negotiated a slot on the Sunday business show for $5,500 totaling $8,000. Please vote if you support this plan by the end of the week. Supporters all move their $100 into the pot. If they do not reach $8,000 in the given time, the money is refunded to each person and they work toward another solution. If the goal is reached, the money is transferred to the production company and the TV station and the commercial is produced.
How Bitcoin can help:
Same thing, a common goal. The guidelines are outlined. The organizer gives a Bitcoin address for the project with a goal in BTC. People pledge by transferring BTC to a dedicated wallet. They then send .0001 BTC to the Bitcoin address (other numbers can be used to signal different options. ex. .0002 BTC indicates preference 'B'). The .0001 BTC is refunded and that pledge is added to the tally. That wallet address is monitored to see if the money is removed. If the money is removed, the tally goes down indicating the pledger is no longer interested. Once the pledges reach the goal, the organizer puts forth the solution and the needed BTC. Pledgers indicate their approval by sending the full amount of the pledge. If the goal is not met, the BTC is refunded to those wallets and work continues. Otherwise, the organizer executes the solution and the goal is satisfied.
Example with BTC:
A group of people want to purchase a TV commercial. The organizer of the idea says "We will need around $10,000 to purchase and run this commercial. Here is the BTC address to pledge to: xxxx, indicate your preference: send .0001 for Sunday news program, send .0002 for Monday evening talk show, send .0003 for Saturday morning weekly roundup program.", we are asking for 100 people to pledge 20 BTC each. People start putting 20 BTC into a wallet. They send .0001, 2 or 3 to the address and keep the rest of the funds in their wallet. Once the number gets close to 200 BTC the organizer says "We were able to find a production company to make the commercial for $2,500 and negotiated a slot on the Sunday business show for $5,500 totalling $8,000, at today's rate that would be 160 BTC. Please vote if you support this plan by the end of the week by sending your full amount to address xxxx. Supporters start transferring 20 BTC into the pot each. If they do not reach 160 BTC in the given time, the money is transferred back to the originating addresses and they continue to try to find another solution. If the goal is reached, the BTC is either converted to $$$ to pay the companies, or the originator talks the companies into accepting BTC and transfers the funds for payment and the commercial is produced.
Possible use cases:
A bunch of Bitcoin users buy an island (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-island-82060). Each person who contributed will be able to prove their membership on the island by showing up on the island and paying with BTC from their pledge wallet.
Club membership (dues require X amount spent on pledged programs per year).
Funding for BTC project
Charitable contributions
Startup company
Fund a movie/commercial
disaster relief
political contributions
Fund a piece of art
much more...similar to projects on http://www.kickstarter.com
A web page could be set up for this with the tally and pledges all monitored by monitoring the chain. You could also have the option of allowing people to pledge their set aside BTC to several projects and whichever the pledger supports first will get the BTC and the tally for the other projects will reflect the decrease in their own pledge.
The main point of trust is in the final transfer, trusting the organizer to use the money to fund the project as opposed to taking the money and splitting. The web site could keep track of past projects for each organizer and show how well they were handled. But for most of the project, the money sits in your own wallet.
Any thoughts? Tweaks, downfalls?
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