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edd
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May 21, 2012, 12:27:20 PM
#85
I think that's a bit harsh. I don't think anyone had moved past more than musing at the thought of our own island.

I agree. It's was a good way to gauge interest and introduce possible avenues for property acquisition for a group of community members but I seriously doubt anyone thought this particular sale had a chance of happening.
legendary
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May 21, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
#84
This 'island' has been up for sale a few times on ebay and never met the reserve.

Note that this is a 'rush, cash only sale' they claim they have no time to wait for banks that should be a huge red flag.

Here's the real price of that island and the real brokers that are selling it:
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/cayo-iguana-nicaragua.htm

Another huge red flag is this guy used to sell scammy weight loss pills where the bulk of his feedack comes from. Then of course there's this:
"    Follow-up by swabby-ret (May-03-12 10:45):
    YOU SOLD ME A RAT AND ROACH INFESTECONDO ON FOREST CITY RD. YOU ARE A DISGRACE! "

It also claims there are employees there, well you'd better research Nicaraguan laws because you probably have to keep them employed or pay out severence.

You're crazy if you think this is a legit sale and will only cost $127,000.
If you want that cheap (and economic paradise) then look into Ecuador land or North Cyprus

Finally, someone with half a brain in this thread.

I think that's a bit harsh. I don't think anyone had moved past more than musing at the thought of our own island.

EDIT: Actually @BitAvenue seemed to have been seriously considering it Wink

Total Received   1 BTC

Almost there.
hero member
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May 21, 2012, 11:03:13 AM
#83
This 'island' has been up for sale a few times on ebay and never met the reserve.

Note that this is a 'rush, cash only sale' they claim they have no time to wait for banks that should be a huge red flag.

Here's the real price of that island and the real brokers that are selling it:
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/cayo-iguana-nicaragua.htm

Another huge red flag is this guy used to sell scammy weight loss pills where the bulk of his feedack comes from. Then of course there's this:
"    Follow-up by swabby-ret (May-03-12 10:45):
    YOU SOLD ME A RAT AND ROACH INFESTECONDO ON FOREST CITY RD. YOU ARE A DISGRACE! "

It also claims there are employees there, well you'd better research Nicaraguan laws because you probably have to keep them employed or pay out severence.

You're crazy if you think this is a legit sale and will only cost $127,000.
If you want that cheap (and economic paradise) then look into Ecuador land or North Cyprus

Finally, someone with half a brain in this thread.
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
May 21, 2012, 10:57:24 AM
#82

I don't think we've settled on two important preliminary questions: 1) is this (or any) island what we want/need? 2) Is an ebay auction the best way to buy an island?

You're right! This is the best way to buy an island: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rochelle-hub-theater-49734

Consider this as an option: http://waterstudio.nl/videos/42
sr. member
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May 21, 2012, 10:56:24 AM
#81
This 'island' has been up for sale a few times on ebay and never met the reserve.

Note that this is a 'rush, cash only sale' they claim they have no time to wait for banks that should be a huge red flag.

Here's the real price of that island:
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/cayo-iguana-nicaragua.htm

Another huge red flag is this guy used to sell scammy weight loss pills where the bulk of his feedack comes from. Then of course there's this:
"    Follow-up by swabby-ret (May-03-12 10:45):
    YOU SOLD ME A RAT AND ROACH INFESTECONDO ON FOREST CITY RD. YOU ARE A DISGRACE! "

It also claims there are employees there, well you'd better research Nicaraguan laws because you probably have to keep them employed or pay out severence.

You're crazy if you think this is a legit sale and will only cost $127,000.
If you want that cheap (and economic paradise) then look into Ecuador land or North Cyprus

legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1002
May 21, 2012, 10:03:49 AM
#80
FAQ Update

the fee seems huge for so little work...

Fees have been lowered to 0.3%.
On a 5 BTC ($25) contribution, the fee would be 0.015 BTC (8 cents).
On the total 40,000 BTC goal, the fee would be 120 BTC ($600).

verify the identities of those in charge

My identity is not hidden.

Five acres is very small.

If we can't manage to crowdfund a 5 acre island, we probably can't crowdfund anything larger.

considering that we're talking about glorified sandbars

This island is definitely not a glorified sandbar, as you can tell by the picture.

floating island...
...once ready I think we can churn out land for about 20$/m^2.

$20 / m^2 is equivalent to $400,000 for 5 acres.
Seasteads have to be rebuilt periodically as well.  Islands don't.

just buy an old ship.

The world's largest ship has a footprint of 5.8 acres and cost $1.2 billion to build, the equivalent of 25 times the entire Bitcoin economy.


I do admire you for addressing the questions and concerns in a constructive manner. That said, I'd like to see this conversation continue, but time may be of the essence, for the island may be sold before ducks are in a row here.

~Bruno~


I don't think we've settled on two important preliminary questions: 1) is this (or any) island what we want/need? 2) Is an ebay auction the best way to buy an island?
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May 21, 2012, 02:53:35 AM
#79
$20 / m^2 is equivalent to $400,000 for 5 acres or approximately 80,000 BTC.
Seasteads have to be rebuilt periodically as well.  Islands don't.

Very true, even in my expensive expensive country you can get large areas of farm land for maybe 4$/m^2, deserted islands and deserts come at nickles.

However floating islands lets you get cheap real estate quite near huge cities, while too expensive for farming, housing and some industries are a definite possibility.

You can't really earn money or anything on a remote island - hence why its cheap!

If people are interested in this subject seasteading.org is all about it - sites pretty dead, little technological development hence my floathaven site.

just buy an old ship.
The world's largest ship has a footprint of 5.8 acres and cost $1.2 billion to build, the equivalent of 25 times the entire Bitcoin economy.

Notice how much I shaved off the price there? Wink

A lot of our materials are actually cheaper than the 20$/m^2 we have to pay so if you scale up and have your own factory you could probably dump the price to near 4$ OR increase quality.

Of course you have to build stuff on top too - but for the right industry/place it can make sense.
legendary
Activity: 1918
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
May 20, 2012, 10:40:51 PM
#78
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So I think 40,000 BTC is a reasonable goal.

I've read through this thread once, but not sure if this link was posted.

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/cayo-iguana-nicaragua.htm

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Region: Nicaragua, Central America
Price: US $575,000 
hero member
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May 20, 2012, 08:36:19 PM
#77
Of course not, you also get the honor of buying him an island.

what would it cost to buy him completely?
legendary
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May 20, 2012, 07:58:44 PM
#76

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Not enough incentive

Contributors of 50 BTC or more will receive VIP invitations to an inaugural beach bash held on the island.  This will be a 3-5 day event combining partying and relaxation while sleeping under the stars and enjoying the warm weather and ocean breezes.

Wait, you're saying contributors get nothing unless they donate 50+ bitcoins and then they get an invitation to a party?

Of course not, you also get the honor of buying him an island.
vip
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May 20, 2012, 07:46:29 PM
#75
Can we have a 'little person', say: "De Plane, De Plane" ?

If this was international waters, you would probably get a lot of interest. What jurisdiction does it fall under?

edd
donator
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May 20, 2012, 07:40:49 PM
#74

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Not enough incentive

Contributors of 50 BTC or more will receive VIP invitations to an inaugural beach bash held on the island.  This will be a 3-5 day event combining partying and relaxation while sleeping under the stars and enjoying the warm weather and ocean breezes.

Wait, you're saying contributors get nothing unless they donate 50+ bitcoins and then they get an invitation to a party?
hero member
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May 20, 2012, 07:39:02 PM
#73
Again, uh, what makes you think the Nicaraguan government would be friendly about this?


RE: Raising funds in USD, I think that would be more than possible; the value of the Bitcoin economy is much greater than the current value of Bitcoins in circulation.
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1000
May 20, 2012, 07:36:30 PM
#72
Two days remain.  It only takes a couple of hours to confirm a Bitcoin transaction.

I look forward to addressing all concerns.  But if you're expecting any major changes, don't hold your breath.
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
May 20, 2012, 06:09:27 PM
#71
FAQ Update

the fee seems huge for so little work...

Fees have been lowered to 0.3%.
On a 5 BTC ($25) contribution, the fee would be 0.015 BTC (8 cents).
On the total 40,000 BTC goal, the fee would be 120 BTC ($600).

verify the identities of those in charge

My identity is not hidden.

Five acres is very small.

If we can't manage to crowdfund a 5 acre island, we probably can't crowdfund anything larger.

considering that we're talking about glorified sandbars

This island is definitely not a glorified sandbar, as you can tell by the picture.

floating island...
...once ready I think we can churn out land for about 20$/m^2.

$20 / m^2 is equivalent to $400,000 for 5 acres.
Seasteads have to be rebuilt periodically as well.  Islands don't.

just buy an old ship.

The world's largest ship has a footprint of 5.8 acres and cost $1.2 billion to build, the equivalent of 25 times the entire Bitcoin economy.


I do admire you for addressing the questions and concerns in a constructive manner. That said, I'd like to see this conversation continue, but time may be of the essence, for the island may be sold before ducks are in a row here.

~Bruno~
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1000
May 20, 2012, 05:57:14 PM
#70
FAQ Update

the fee seems huge for so little work...

Fees have been lowered to 0.3%.
On a 5 BTC ($25) contribution, the fee would be 0.015 BTC (8 cents).
On the total 40,000 BTC goal, the fee would be 120 BTC ($600).

verify the identities of those in charge

My identity is not hidden.

Five acres is very small.

If we can't manage to crowdfund a 5 acre island, we probably can't crowdfund anything larger.

considering that we're talking about glorified sandbars

This island is definitely not a glorified sandbar, as you can tell by the picture.

floating island...
...once ready I think we can churn out land for about 20$/m^2.

$20 / m^2 is equivalent to $400,000 for 5 acres or approximately 80,000 BTC.
Seasteads have to be rebuilt periodically as well.  Islands don't.

just buy an old ship.

The world's largest ship has a footprint of 5.8 acres and cost $1.2 billion to build, the equivalent of 25 times the entire Bitcoin economy.
hero member
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Merit: 500
May 20, 2012, 03:58:44 PM
#69
what about concentrate manpower (core team) startups TEAM on the Blueseed vessel and kick some Silicon Valley ass?
here is one ISP most cruise line company used
http://www.mcp.com/
http://www.harris.com/
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
May 20, 2012, 03:38:10 PM
#68
The first sustainable micronation will have to float, and have to have great connectivity.

Recently I heard that the PirateBay was thinking to launch drones to use as pirate satellites or s/t like that. Maybe they could support our floating micronation with connectivity if we take them aboard.
hero member
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May 20, 2012, 03:33:47 PM
#67
You WILL need to transfer that to fiat for the purchase, and I'd like to see someone sell 40k BTC without crashing the market and actually get $5 per coin  Shocked
legendary
Activity: 1918
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
May 20, 2012, 03:24:21 PM
#66
Realistically, you could almost definitely find crew up to the officer level who'd be willing to live & work for a decent room and board. And yes, you could move away from storms as well as from regional powers who suddenly decided to expand their maritime claims to include your island, as has been done many times before.

The first sustainable micronation will have to float, and have to have great connectivity. The reason it hasn't been done yet boils down to the fact that floating and having great internet access are still mutually exclusive. That is the only reason it hasn't been done. Beyond that, there are questions of what laws, who's in charge, what currency, etc; but with a functional currency independent of national fiat, Bitcoiners are actually uniquely well positioned to create something like this...possibly more so than any other group since the founding city-states of the Hanseatic league opened up the original free trade zone.

The key to making it work would be overcoming the inherent costs in reconciling mobility (floating) with connectivity (tethering), while sacrificing neither freedom of movement nor freedom of communication. That is what any such plan ultimately comes down to. A Bitcoin micronation requires that you not trade away economic or personal liberties in exchange for the other. No nation on earth presently accommodates both types of liberties, and if the "Chinese Model" is any indication, things will only go downhill from here. So - yeah - a ship is a good place to start. Nicaraguan island, not so much.

Great idea until the ship mysterious sinks into the Mariana Trench, or the like, thereby concealing the true cause of the "accident" for years to come.
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