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Sometimes I wonder why the media is always saying that Bitcoin’s price went up because of Tesla and Amazon or maybe one of these big influencers, because I really don’t see it that way. Of course I do know that these people can make an impact, such as Tesla making a billion dollar investment in the cryptocurrency market, but then you can’t saying that every move they make is affecting the market.

We were already looking forward to an increase even before these companies into the picture. The halving alone was enough to lead to up trend, and moreover there are times Bitcoin goes up and down, so it doesn’t have anything to do with these companies.
This is done because they want to create false expectations, we must remember that even if the purpose of the media is supposed to inform the public with the facts this is not true anymore, they want to get clicks, they want to be seen, they waniat to become news themselves and how can they achieve this? By giving outrageous news, that's how, so they create a narrative that the price of bitcoin now is completely dependent on big companies like that and people are going to read their articles and watch their videos to see why this is the case, when in fact the price of bitcoin just has its own dynamics and doesn't obey anyone.
Tesla is trying to manipulate the crypto market just like what Elon Musk also did. But unfortunately, things don't come out exactly what's on their plan. Even Amazon has leave a big impact on bitcoin but later on, the price still recovers.

This just proves that bitcoin is not relying any one or any big company to create an upward trend. Remember that China has also leave a huge impact into bitcoin and resulted into a long dump but through positive news and great opportunities offered to bitcoin, its price still manage to recover.

Everything you say makes sense, because if we look at the few times Bitcoin was manipulated, then the price fell quite deep. But not long after
Bitcoin managed to recover again, this proves Bitcoin does not depend on big companies to grow. Because Bitcoin is decentralized, it means that
no one can control Bitcoin. This is what finally upset China and spread FUD to make Bitcoin die. But China has always failed to make Bitcoin die,
this is what ultimately makes the trust of many people increase in Bitcoin. Then Bitcoin will always grow and increase in price, even though big
companies don't support Bitcoin.

I think when Bitcoin was manipulated there were a few things that happened simultaneously. Whales could have manipulated the price down, but then the herd lost their nerves I guess as when Bitcoin crashed hard, it was always the case that the market felt quite overheated anyway. It is not like Bitcoin totally crashed out of a sudden and nobody would have expected that. It sometimes did drop more than people expected, but anyone became more careful with buy orders out of a sudden anyway.
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this can be true because apart from Elonmusk/Tesla and amazon there are other factors that strongly support price changes, namely traders.  whether it's using signals or personal predictions, which of course always use support and resistance points.  if the price hits support, of course, traders start buying slowly and this will directly make the price go up.  although to be honest I'm more sure news from Elonmusk, tesla/amazon so influence the market.  like last May where the market was bleeding for a few days

That's exactly the part OP has refused to admit, you can say bitcoin doesn't care about Elon musk and SpaceX when the two are playing huge role in bitcoin growth and development.
Some weeks ago when Tesla announced that they may cease operation of car purchases using bitcoin, we all saw what damages that happened to bitcoin and many altcoins blead the value out. That's the power of influence of a successful man in business, though I don't like him Cool
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Sometimes I wonder why the media is always saying that Bitcoin’s price went up because of Tesla and Amazon or maybe one of these big influencers, because I really don’t see it that way. Of course I do know that these people can make an impact, such as Tesla making a billion dollar investment in the cryptocurrency market, but then you can’t saying that every move they make is affecting the market.

We were already looking forward to an increase even before these companies into the picture. The halving alone was enough to lead to up trend, and moreover there are times Bitcoin goes up and down, so it doesn’t have anything to do with these companies.
This is done because they want to create false expectations, we must remember that even if the purpose of the media is supposed to inform the public with the facts this is not true anymore, they want to get clicks, they want to be seen, they waniat to become news themselves and how can they achieve this? By giving outrageous news, that's how, so they create a narrative that the price of bitcoin now is completely dependent on big companies like that and people are going to read their articles and watch their videos to see why this is the case, when in fact the price of bitcoin just has its own dynamics and doesn't obey anyone.
Tesla is trying to manipulate the crypto market just like what Elon Musk also did. But unfortunately, things don't come out exactly what's on their plan. Even Amazon has leave a big impact on bitcoin but later on, the price still recovers.

This just proves that bitcoin is not relying any one or any big company to create an upward trend. Remember that China has also leave a huge impact into bitcoin and resulted into a long dump but through positive news and great opportunities offered to bitcoin, its price still manage to recover.

Everything you say makes sense, because if we look at the few times Bitcoin was manipulated, then the price fell quite deep. But not long after
Bitcoin managed to recover again, this proves Bitcoin does not depend on big companies to grow. Because Bitcoin is decentralized, it means that
no one can control Bitcoin. This is what finally upset China and spread FUD to make Bitcoin die. But China has always failed to make Bitcoin die,
this is what ultimately makes the trust of many people increase in Bitcoin. Then Bitcoin will always grow and increase in price, even though big
companies don't support Bitcoin.
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this can be true because apart from Elonmusk/Tesla and amazon there are other factors that strongly support price changes, namely traders.  whether it's using signals or personal predictions, which of course always use support and resistance points.  if the price hits support, of course, traders start buying slowly and this will directly make the price go up.  although to be honest I'm more sure news from Elonmusk, tesla/amazon so influence the market.  like last May where the market was bleeding for a few days
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At the beginning of this year, Tesla announced that it would accept Bitcoin as a payment for car purchases, and the price of Bitcoin has skyrocketed as a result. In May, after Musk announced that Tesla would no longer accept Bitcoin as a payment option due to environmental concerns, the price of Bitcoin began to dive. At the beginning of July, Musk said that Tesla would resume accepting Bitcoin in the future. Last week, Amazon issued a message to recruit people in charge of digital currency and blockchain products, which aroused people's attention. Therefore, many people would think these news caused changes in the price of Bitcoin.

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Trendlines act as support and resistance levels once widely recognized by traders, creating either a floor for price-action recovery or a ceiling for downward momentum to resume.
But bitcoin price fluctuations are largely affected by technical indicators rather than basic events. Bitcoin's short-term upward trend began before Amazon's job advertisement was announced, and the pace of the trend does not seem to be affected by news reports. These news will affect Bitcoin's short-term price fluctuations. In the long run, Bitcoin will not care about Amazon's recruitment information or Tesla's sentiment to cause price fluctuations.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinrivers/2021/07/27/bitcoin-didnt-care-about-tesla-and-it-doesnt-care-about-amazon-either/?sh=48dd020513b8







Back in the day these announcements would shake the price for sure.  Now, meh.  Alts get affected with major business linking themselves to a particular crypto, but it's almost expected when you hear them linked to bitcoin.  I mean it's pretty inevitable now if they want to be relent in terms of the crypto sphere they will need to accept bitcoin to some degree.
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Sometimes I wonder why the media is always saying that Bitcoin’s price went up because of Tesla and Amazon or maybe one of these big influencers, because I really don’t see it that way. Of course I do know that these people can make an impact, such as Tesla making a billion dollar investment in the cryptocurrency market, but then you can’t saying that every move they make is affecting the market.

We were already looking forward to an increase even before these companies into the picture. The halving alone was enough to lead to up trend, and moreover there are times Bitcoin goes up and down, so it doesn’t have anything to do with these companies.
This is done because they want to create false expectations, we must remember that even if the purpose of the media is supposed to inform the public with the facts this is not true anymore, they want to get clicks, they want to be seen, they waniat to become news themselves and how can they achieve this? By giving outrageous news, that's how, so they create a narrative that the price of bitcoin now is completely dependent on big companies like that and people are going to read their articles and watch their videos to see why this is the case, when in fact the price of bitcoin just has its own dynamics and doesn't obey anyone.
Tesla is trying to manipulate the crypto market just like what Elon Musk also did. But unfortunately, things don't come out exactly what's on their plan. Even Amazon has leave a big impact on bitcoin but later on, the price still recovers.

This just proves that bitcoin is not relying any one or any big company to create an upward trend. Remember that China has also leave a huge impact into bitcoin and resulted into a long dump but through positive news and great opportunities offered to bitcoin, its price still manage to recover.
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This is done because they want to create false expectations, we must remember that even if the purpose of the media is supposed to inform the public with the facts this is not true anymore, they want to get clicks, they want to be seen, they want to become news themselves and how can they achieve this? By giving outrageous news, that's how, so they create a narrative that the price of bitcoin now is completely dependent on big companies like that and people are going to read their articles and watch their videos to see why this is the case, when in fact the price of bitcoin just has its own dynamics and doesn't obey anyone.
some of the big media have a strong influence on bitcoin fundamentals and many are manipulated. the news that is issued sometimes slightly corners bitcoin. all arranged in such a way. FUD is widely spread and then some Good news is also spread to control market fundamentals. Bitcoin doesn't care about anyone, it's single bitcoin and doesn't depend on anything else.
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Sometimes I wonder why the media is always saying that Bitcoin’s price went up because of Tesla and Amazon or maybe one of these big influencers, because I really don’t see it that way. Of course I do know that these people can make an impact, such as Tesla making a billion dollar investment in the cryptocurrency market, but then you can’t saying that every move they make is affecting the market.

We were already looking forward to an increase even before these companies into the picture. The halving alone was enough to lead to up trend, and moreover there are times Bitcoin goes up and down, so it doesn’t have anything to do with these companies.
This is done because they want to create false expectations, we must remember that even if the purpose of the media is supposed to inform the public with the facts this is not true anymore, they want to get clicks, they want to be seen, they want to become news themselves and how can they achieve this? By giving outrageous news, that's how, so they create a narrative that the price of bitcoin now is completely dependent on big companies like that and people are going to read their articles and watch their videos to see why this is the case, when in fact the price of bitcoin just has its own dynamics and doesn't obey anyone.
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And this is a real proof that the bitcoin market is very strong, not affected by big companies and even banned from many countries, more than $750B marketcap certainly makes bitcoin not easy to get rid of.

If anything, the recent fluctuations show the weakness of Bitcoin. Hundreds of billions of USD in market cap was wiped out in a matter of few weeks, just because of a few tweets and rumors. Bitcoin market hasn't yet reached the required maturity and until then we will have to deal with such wild fluctuations. And remember that the statement from Amazon was interpreted as somewhat encouraging for the cryptocurrencies. Else, in all probability we would be having another round of bloodbath in the market.
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of course bitcoin cares nothing about Tesla and Amazon because us people whos investing in this coin has care.

though Tesla is not part of our concern now yet Amazon is really a  big thing for us to be relief when the acceptance happens.

hope the finally Amazon will accept bitcoin or other cryptos .

And this is a real proof that the bitcoin market is very strong, not affected by big companies and even banned from many countries, more than $750B marketcap certainly makes bitcoin not easy to get rid of.
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According to its Q2 summary, Tesla reports that's holds $1.3billion Bitcoin. Price fluctuations can be caused by a number of factors but definitely not entirely on Bitcoin whales (Elon, Saylor) or Rumors from Amazon. Some factors influencing Bitcoin price include; demand and supply, political events, changes in the Bitcoin community, mass media, government regulations etc. For the newbies and weak hands, here "it's important to remember and understand that Bitcoin a very volatile asset class, You have to be comfortable with the swings and you have to be comfortable also losing your money." -Anjali Jariwala

https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1420873248011661313?s=19

Imo, once we mention "demand and supply" nothing else should be talked about as equivalent factors. All events we can think of affect demand and supply, and the price is determined by the balance between them.

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When we can't understand something - we tend to call it "irrational". Smiley I'm not saying I understand the market, but I wouldn't go so far to call it "irrational". I think there's always some rational reasons for the price fluctuations, but it's not easy to figure them out, even post factum.
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of course bitcoin cares nothing about Tesla and Amazon because us people whos investing in this coin has care.

though Tesla is not part of our concern now yet Amazon is really a  big thing for us to be relief when the acceptance happens.

hope the finally Amazon will accept bitcoin or other cryptos .

Agreed. I never understand the mentality of people who claim that adoption by PayPal, Ebay, Amazon.etc is detrimental for Bitcoin. Who are they to decide that? If Bitcoin is not used for payment, then what is the purpose in holding it? You can claim that Bitcoin is being used as a speculative investment asset and there is no requirement to be used in payments. But I disagree. The value for Bitcoin comes from its usage. If Bitcoin is not used for payments, then it's value will disappear gradually.
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Sometimes I wonder why the media is always saying that Bitcoin’s price went up because of Tesla and Amazon or maybe one of these big influencers, because I really don’t see it that way. Of course I do know that these people can make an impact, such as Tesla making a billion dollar investment in the cryptocurrency market, but then you can’t saying that every move they make is affecting the market.

We were already looking forward to an increase even before these companies into the picture. The halving alone was enough to lead to up trend, and moreover there are times Bitcoin goes up and down, so it doesn’t have anything to do with these companies.
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of course bitcoin cares nothing about Tesla and Amazon because us people whos investing in this coin has care.

though Tesla is not part of our concern now yet Amazon is really a  big thing for us to be relief when the acceptance happens.

hope the finally Amazon will accept bitcoin or other cryptos .

if only bitcoin can speak we will know if what is its opinion when giant companies invest in it but pretty sure it will say something negative because companies could have other intentions on why they accept bitcoins  . amazon could pump the btc price but what if they will also change thier mind after wards like what tesla did ? the dump that it will cause can be much higher .
 lets hope im wrong . amazon is said to accept btc but they could accept alts too because some would prefer it for micro transactions  .
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of course bitcoin cares nothing about Tesla and Amazon because us people whos investing in this coin has care.

though Tesla is not part of our concern now yet Amazon is really a  big thing for us to be relief when the acceptance happens.

hope the finally Amazon will accept bitcoin or other cryptos .
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Short term is the keyword, remember when Tesla confirmed that they have bitcoin as a hedge in their balance sheet? after that confirmation the price rocketed to $50k-$60k, but after that short term effect and because of Elon Musk himself, the price plummeted to lowest low for his year. But the effect is long gone now, bitcoin has been on the uptick as of the last 10 days and we are heading to $45k maybe in the next coming days. So those influencers and news has an effect, but if it is a negative one, it will not last that long.

That depends. Elon/Tesla played a large part in the correction from $64,000 to $28,000. The prices only recovered due to another rumor involving Amazon (and the subsequent statement from Amazon, which was interpreted as friendly towards Bitcoin). If the trigger from Amazon was not there, then the prices would he remained suppressed. So you can't really claim that if the prices go down as a result of negative news, the impact will last only for a few weeks or months. In the end, it will depend on the overall market condition.
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It is true that Bitcoin is not dependent on Tesla and Amazon, but in many cases, these large corporations temporarily influence Bitcoin in the decisions of different individuals. These organizations motivate their followers to take a variety of actions by top-level individuals and, among both positive or negative comments, influence them. However, these issues have a temporary effect. However, these issues have a temporary effect. Although the decisions of organizations like Tesla and Amazon about Bitcoin have a lot of influence on the public which has a lot of positive or negative effects on them, they cannot control or influence it completely.
Short term is the keyword, remember when Tesla confirmed that they have bitcoin as a hedge in their balance sheet? after that confirmation the price rocketed to $50k-$60k, but after that short term effect and because of Elon Musk himself, the price plummeted to lowest low for his year. But the effect is long gone now, bitcoin has been on the uptick as of the last 10 days and we are heading to $45k maybe in the next coming days. So those influencers and news has an effect, but if it is a negative one, it will not last that long.
I don't think that the latest news about Elon Musk and Tesla can affect the strategic behavior of the bitcoin price. The market is trying to find a point of equilibrium in the current situation and anything can happen now. It cannot be denied that the market was very overheated before and therefore the behavior of the exchange rate price was influenced by short-term phenomena such as Chinese events and Tesla's behavior about the purchased portion of bitcoins. Now events from other market sectors should be superimposed on the market, and only after that it will be possible to talk about the short-term behavior of the exchange rate. I am afraid that we are waiting for some correction at the end of the summer, caused by more fundamental factors than the behavior of Elon Musk and Tesla.
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Bitcoin is a decentralized coin that rises from near zero value so it has a value that grows over time based on the algorithm and the 'stock to flow' model. Tesla and Amazon are the only drivers of Bitcoin's rise in value and not its determinants. Bitcoin development does not depend on these two companies.
It is true that bitcoin doesn't really depend on them but it will be silly to not think that they could in fact have a way to have an effect on the price of bitcoin, and since we know that the majority of people only care about the price of bitcoin and do not really care about the underlying technology then the effect of those two different companies is even higher than what it would be otherwise, so even if you do not care about the effect of those two companies that doesn't mean that many other people do.
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It is true that Bitcoin is not dependent on Tesla and Amazon, but in many cases, these large corporations temporarily influence Bitcoin in the decisions of different individuals. These organizations motivate their followers to take a variety of actions by top-level individuals and, among both positive or negative comments, influence them. However, these issues have a temporary effect. However, these issues have a temporary effect. Although the decisions of organizations like Tesla and Amazon about Bitcoin have a lot of influence on the public which has a lot of positive or negative effects on them, they cannot control or influence it completely.

Short term is the keyword, remember when Tesla confirmed that they have bitcoin as a hedge in their balance sheet? after that confirmation the price rocketed to $50k-$60k, but after that short term effect and because of Elon Musk himself, the price plummeted to lowest low for his year. But the effect is long gone now, bitcoin has been on the uptick as of the last 10 days and we are heading to $45k maybe in the next coming days. So those influencers and news has an effect, but if it is a negative one, it will not last that long.
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It is true that Bitcoin is not dependent on Tesla and Amazon, but in many cases, these large corporations temporarily influence Bitcoin in the decisions of different individuals. These organizations motivate their followers to take a variety of actions by top-level individuals and, among both positive or negative comments, influence them. However, these issues have a temporary effect. However, these issues have a temporary effect. Although the decisions of organizations like Tesla and Amazon about Bitcoin have a lot of influence on the public which has a lot of positive or negative effects on them, they cannot control or influence it completely.
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