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May 11, 2024, 10:42:50 AM
#74
Some people are worried that they might just go with ETF instead of the actual bitcoin but I feel like their worry isn't something that big really
If they have no issue to access an exchange, either CEX or DEX, to buy Bitcoin by themselves, they should go with Bitcoin, not Bitcoin Spot ETF share.

It is not too difficult to do this, buying bitcoin and storing it in a non custodial wallet by themselves. It will force the investors to learn about wallet, backup, recovery and security of wallet and their devices. It requires some time to learn basics but in security and safety of their money, it is very worth to do.

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This may seem easy for young people with basic computer knowledge , but what about older people , who have difficulty with today's digital devices? I think bitcoin ETFs can solve that problem and it works in this case . I once tried talking to my parents about investing in bitcoin, they said it was too complicated and risky as they had to keep their privatekeys , passwords , 2FA... things they have never been exposed to before . But they can go to the bank and deposit their savings without my help. I think , if bitcoin ETF is more popular in my country then I think I will introduce it to them . I believe they will consider investing in bitcoin through an ETF because it does not bring too much trouble for them .
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May 11, 2024, 09:43:40 AM
#73
ETF's are great thing for BTC!

This is where the clown car pulls up and yells about self custody.

Holding bitcoin directly sucks ass for many. Who wants to manage the keys? Nobody. What keeps your business partner or Karen in accounting skipping town? ETF's fit nicely within existing trading platforms and is cheaper and faster to trade within. Especially when tax harvesting and rebalancing.

ETF is superior in my IRA over holding directly. When I retire and take my draw I don't pay taxes on it and that is HUGE! I can't yet  gain exposure in my 401K, but when I do my employer matches my contribution, think free money.
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May 11, 2024, 09:26:01 AM
#72
Some people are worried that they might just go with ETF instead of the actual bitcoin but I feel like their worry isn't something that big really
If they have no issue to access an exchange, either CEX or DEX, to buy Bitcoin by themselves, they should go with Bitcoin, not Bitcoin Spot ETF share.

It is not too difficult to do this, buying bitcoin and storing it in a non custodial wallet by themselves. It will force the investors to learn about wallet, backup, recovery and security of wallet and their devices. It requires some time to learn basics but in security and safety of their money, it is very worth to do.

Recommended Bitcoin wallets.
Security checklist
Protect yourself from fake wallet software (guide)
WARNING when using mobile device wallets (Android, iOS)
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May 11, 2024, 03:17:31 AM
#71
Of course, anything that casts positive publicity on Bitcoin helps to advertise it and brings more patronage to it. That's what the Bitcoin ETF has been able to do. We saw how Bitcoin price went up and broke its ATH of the previous circle even before the recent halving. The ETF strengthened confidence of institutional  investors in the industry and they came in gun blazing. This is opening up more space in relation to investment for Bitcoin. It's a plus.
Some people are worried that they might just go with ETF instead of the actual bitcoin but I feel like their worry isn't something that big really, as you've said, it's a way for bitcoin to gain much more range in terms of publicity and I don't think that there's no better way for bitcoin to gain more publicity and more people interested in investing than the institutional investors personally endorsing bitcoin although at a certain level where they're also benefiting from it. Totally in agreement that it's a good thing that institutional investors have opened a way and not just a way but also a huge one for bitcoin to be recognized towards something that would definitely lead to bitcoin going up in prices in the future which is the ultimate goal anyway.
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May 11, 2024, 03:10:24 AM
#70
Of course, anything that casts positive publicity on Bitcoin helps to advertise it and brings more patronage to it. That's what the Bitcoin ETF has been able to do. We saw how Bitcoin price went up and broke its ATH of the previous circle even before the recent halving. The ETF strengthened confidence of institutional  investors in the industry and they came in gun blazing. This is opening up more space in relation to investment for Bitcoin. It's a plus.
Bitcoin Spot ETFs are one of catalysts to increase Bitcoin adoption and get more trading capital in Bitcoin market. These impacts from Bitcoin Spot ETFs are big, long term, sustainable and these impacts are undeniable because they are real and big.

In short term, market is volatile and unpredictable and if you trade in the market, stuck with its daily or shorter time-frame movements, you will be affected a lot and can lose money by making bad trading decisions.

With Bitcoin Spot ETFs and big impacts, if you invest in Bitcoin, long term holding your bitcoin, you will get profit and have an easy life with your easy investment.

ETF approval is only going to make Bitcoin to be easy manipulated to the big firms and whales. The current ranging market could be cause by the market manipulation we don't have to relax and think that the volume of Bitcoin is lower than the time when the ETF was approved in the United States. Hong Kong had approved their one ETF and we expect the price to go a little bullish but all we saw was unstable market trying to dip more. We just don't know how long this would continue.
In any market, there are big investors, whales which are favorite in manipulation on the market because it can help them to get profit. It's fact and we can not get rid of market manipulation. So we have to live with market manipulation, understand it and if possible, take advantage of whale manipulation for our more clever capital use for investment and decision to enter, exit the market for profit.
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May 11, 2024, 01:47:11 AM
#69
Bitcoin ETF approval sparked the development and acceptance of bitcoin as a new investment instrument, and it will definitely not be a standalone asset. But overall it can have a positive impact on Bitcoin and the crypto market. This may increase the demand and price of Bitcoin in the spot market. ETFs will provide easier and more affordable access for investors to invest, especially Bitcoin. This can encourage increased adoption and investor confidence to encourage significant growth in the crypto industry. With Bitcoin ETF approval, the door has opened wide for further innovation and deeper integration between traditional financial markets and the crypto world, as well as encouraging the development of Bitcoin-related products and services. But what I really don't like is that the costs are higher.
ETF approval is only going to make Bitcoin to be easy manipulated to the big firms and whales. The current ranging market could be cause by the market manipulation we don't have to relax and think that the volume of Bitcoin is lower than the time when the ETF was approved in the United States. Hong Kong had approved their one ETF and we expect the price to go a little bullish but all we saw was unstable market trying to dip more. We just don't know how long this would continue.
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May 10, 2024, 08:10:30 AM
#68
Of course, anything that casts positive publicity on Bitcoin helps to advertise it and brings more patronage to it. That's what the Bitcoin ETF has been able to do. We saw how Bitcoin price went up and broke its ATH of the previous circle even before the recent halving. The ETF strengthened confidence of institutional  investors in the industry and they came in gun blazing. This is opening up more space in relation to investment for Bitcoin. It's a plus.
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May 10, 2024, 05:01:28 AM
#67
ETFs got approved months ago, so I think we can already see their influence. In terms of adoption, I think it just created new demand for Bitcoin (indirectly), as those people who invest in the traditional market became more open to investing in Bitcoin via such mechanisms. Bitcoin ETFs grew really fast, but it seems that they're now slowing down.
Bitcoin Spot ETF investors are institutional investors but they need time to understand more about this market. They are less likely doing their investment without due diligent research and don't react emotionally like retail investors. However, they certainly are affected by market trend on how they spend their capital. It's always easier to spend money, to invest in a bull market than in a bear market. It's true from stock markets to cryptocurrency market.

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In terms of the price, Bitcoin got a nice bump in Q4, 2023, due to anticipation of ETF approvals. And then this year, we've seen it going from $43k to over $70k.
So I'd say that the impact is positive, but I also don't think ETFs will be a game changer in terms of Bitcoin global adoption.
I believe from adoption growth, demand increase, we will see long term impacts on Bitcoin price. It will be shown on trading volume and trading price but it will be long term impacts and need time to show.
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May 10, 2024, 04:57:40 AM
#66
ETFs got approved months ago, so I think we can already see their influence. In terms of adoption, I think it just created new demand for Bitcoin (indirectly), as those people who invest in the traditional market became more open to investing in Bitcoin via such mechanisms. Bitcoin ETFs grew really fast, but it seems that they're now slowing down.
In terms of the price, Bitcoin got a nice bump in Q4, 2023, due to anticipation of ETF approvals. And then this year, we've seen it going from $43k to over $70k.
So I'd say that the impact is positive, but I also don't think ETFs will be a game changer in terms of Bitcoin global adoption.
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May 10, 2024, 04:47:10 AM
#65
and it seems that a Spot ETF in Hong Kong will be issued soon.
BTC and Ethereum spot etf's have already been approved in Hong Kong, however, do not expect it to be as big as that of the U.S, so many people do not even know that etf's were recently approved in Hong Kong and i am certain the inflows will be nothing compared to that of that U.S.


Well, it would be not as much as US ETF, but still something. Asia is a big market, and the inflow is still gonna do something.
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May 09, 2024, 12:13:09 PM
#64
Bitcoin ETF approval sparked the development and acceptance of bitcoin as a new investment instrument, and it will definitely not be a standalone asset. But overall it can have a positive impact on Bitcoin and the crypto market. This may increase the demand and price of Bitcoin in the spot market. ETFs will provide easier and more affordable access for investors to invest, especially Bitcoin. This can encourage increased adoption and investor confidence to encourage significant growth in the crypto industry. With Bitcoin ETF approval, the door has opened wide for further innovation and deeper integration between traditional financial markets and the crypto world, as well as encouraging the development of Bitcoin-related products and services. But what I really don't like is that the costs are higher.
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May 09, 2024, 10:48:43 AM
#63
and it seems that a Spot ETF in Hong Kong will be issued soon.
BTC and Ethereum spot etf's have already been approved in Hong Kong, however, do not expect it to be as big as that of the U.S, so many people do not even know that etf's were recently approved in Hong Kong and i am certain the inflows will be nothing compared to that of that U.S.
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May 09, 2024, 06:11:11 AM
#62
So far I feel the impact given is positive. In fact I was hoping for an ETF to be approved, so I support the Bitcoin ETF to emerge. The reason is that there are many positive impacts with the development of crypto. Investor confidence in Bitcoin is getting bigger. Clearer regulation. The fear is a monopoly by one of the companies that owns the ETF. But now it seems that this spot ETF in the US is giving effect and it seems that a Spot ETF in Hong Kong will be issued soon.
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May 09, 2024, 05:47:13 AM
#61
They are trying to "paperize" bitcoin, like they tried (and succeeded) with gold. Luckily, Bitcoin can be traced and monitored, so there is still hope
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May 09, 2024, 01:27:52 AM
#60
Initially,it creates room for exposure,setting aside the risks hat it possess.Its a center of attraction for investors to gain and regain acknowledgement without any complications or involved risks.
People that use ETFs for investment transactions always end up successful,renders a moderate impacts to your transactions to always increase distribution and reduce unnecessary mismanagement.

exactly and initially it seems and indeed the presence of ETFs does have a good impact on the market but we never know what the real direction will be in the future will run decentralized, indeed BTC is up from a lot of demand but if the basic function is lost this will be misguided and the free-market will disappear and continue to be under Government supervision and The main problem is the most basic political problem but I believe the Transition The global monetary system will come sooner or later.
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May 08, 2024, 06:24:11 PM
#59
Will it trigger the development and acceptance of bitcoin as a new currency and investment instrument or will it drive us more and more under the control of governments?

It'll drive us more under the control of the government, ETF are centralized so imagine how many Bitcoin they'll be hodling when new investors only buy Bitcoin throughout ETF, it'll make leaving Bitcoin with centralized platforms to become a thing again. With Bitcoin being held with the ETF, it might make regulation to be talked about more and since it will be mostly people in high places that'll be more interested in the ETF, they'll want to have the new industry that they'll be investing into to be regulated to prevent them from losing and protect their investment. The institutional investors are all in for the regulations and they will be the ones making use of ETF while regular investors like you and me will be making use of exchanges to get our Bitcoin.

On the positive side, it'll bring more exposure and more money to the industry which will affect all areas of the market and influencing the price of Bitcoin to new ATH. More institutional money will be coming into the market and that is a positive thing. After the ETF platforms get attacked, it'll draw attention to non constodial wallet so it isn't a total lost for decentralization because it might just be what we needed to get the industry back on track because we have been diverting from the original Idea of Bitcoin recently with the introduction of ETF and losing the idea of Bitcoin as a currency..
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May 08, 2024, 06:16:41 PM
#58
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The Price will go up, Some People will go to Jail (and Good, there are Criminals in the Cryptocurrency World, I have said before that it is Ripe for Money Laundering and that is pretty much impossible to Stop, all they can do is Arrest People who are Actually doing it).
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May 08, 2024, 04:20:46 PM
#57
ETFs do not bring Bitcoin any closer to being used as a currency, it actually encourages it to be held for extended periods of time. It will attract more potential long term holders who could not gain access to Bitcoin directly which should cause the price of Bitcoin to increase and reduce price dumps caused by panic sell offs.

Nothing can give the government more control of the Bitcoin in your wallet if you handle it using the right privacy tools.

Initially,it creates room for exposure,setting aside the risks hat it possess.Its a center of attraction for investors to gain and regain acknowledgement without any complications or involved risks.
People that use ETFs for investment transactions always end up successful,renders a moderate impacts to your transactions to always increase distribution and reduce unnecessary mismanagement.
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May 08, 2024, 03:35:58 PM
#56
Hmm, in a few words good for holders, and bad for those who missed the early buying opportunity, TBH I'm not a big fan of ETF but if they are generating good volume and people are getting familiar with Bitcoin in traditional way why not at the end of day its good for whole community there a few concerns but yup nothing can be perfect there will be falws in the system always we cant setisfy every requirement with desired results.

As far as I am able to buy Bitcoins freely wthut any restrictions and as far as I can keep my accumulation private there is nothing to do with other -ve developments because community is strong enough to go through any circumstances so even if they removes this ETF system I don't care.
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May 08, 2024, 03:18:09 PM
#55
The Bitcoin ETF sure seems like a huge development thats for certain.  It will probably drive up interest and prices of not just Bitcoin itself but crypto overall given it adds legitimacy in the view of everyday investors versus the niche internet crowd cryptos largely stuck with up until now.  But the prospect of growing government regulation down the road is dicey, no doubt about it.  We just dont know if lawmakers will clamp down with restrictions or how soon it may happen if so - not a whole lot anyone can do preventatively if regulations get passed ultimately.  Such is the world we live in.
The ETFs are just the start, can you imagine in 5-10 years time where we will be with Bitcoin regulation wise & adoption wise? I think the ETFs are only just getting started and I for one wouldn’t be surprised if we see record breaking deposits from all the folks who want the ability to buy into Bitcoin without assuming much risk. The ETFs are a great way to get exposure but a bad way to promote liquidity and freedom with your coins.
ETF's are not the start but yeah, they are not going to be the last. It's not only the regulation and adoption are going to add but new innovations too. ETF's in crypto are literally getting started because it's not long ever since they got implemented but despite of it, we already saw their effect and it was positive.

There are people who buy BTC via the ETF's thinking it is less risky but it is actually more risky than buying and holding on their own although maybe they are only lazy or they don't think they have the time to manage their BTC's/keys. Let's only hope that those people are soon going to change but they likely can, once they experience an issue or difficulty.
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