Topic: Bitcoin Foundation to repair relationship with community - page 2. (Read 5536 times)
The Bitcoin network is the REAL BITCOIN FOUNDATION.
lol let's take something decentralized like Bitcoin and attach it to a "voice/spokesperson" (i.e. The Bitcoin Foundation), which is CENTRALIZED.
With all the scammers that exist it is a mistake to do that.
Especially if they are asking for funding from the community through "sponsorships".
With all the scammers that exist it is a mistake to do that.
Especially if they are asking for funding from the community through "sponsorships".
I worked there for 3 months. I wanted to be the change. The Foundation is full of delusion, the memberships are at an all time low, and the majority of the funds are used for paychecks and to fly people around. Got married, went on a pre-approved honeymoon then was promptly let go as a scapegoat by the affiliate director who has no idea how bitcoin works. I can't manage people with no direction.
OK. Here's the link to the AMA session on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/
it has already ended. Haven't had a chance to read through it yet, I'm just about to start.
Heres the PhinnaeusGage Q and A:
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PhinnaeusGage:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/
it has already ended. Haven't had a chance to read through it yet, I'm just about to start.
Heres the PhinnaeusGage Q and A:
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I just took the time to read all the comments to date to see if a certain concern had been addressed, opting to not search the page.
Sadly, it had not, but at least I was amused with all the softball questions that I can't help myself from thinking some were contrived beforehand to control the narrative.
KnC Miner.
KnC Miner and The Bitcoin Foundation are on record in stating that the former paid the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF. TBF ONLY accepts memberships fees via a dedicated bitcoin wallet address, but said fee amount is nowhere to be found.
In spite of all the scuttlebutt on BitcoinTalk, TBF had yet to address concerns about said payment, in spite of such being an important issue at the time due to now/then KnC gaining unique voting rights for the then upcoming elections for vacated board seats in which Bobby Lee and Brock Pierce won.
Question: Where's the proof that KnC Miner truly did pay for their Platinum Member to join The Bitcoin Foundation, given that such is no state secret because bitcoins were supposed to be used and full-transparency is what TBF adheres to?
~Bruno Kucinskas
Sadly, it had not, but at least I was amused with all the softball questions that I can't help myself from thinking some were contrived beforehand to control the narrative.
KnC Miner.
KnC Miner and The Bitcoin Foundation are on record in stating that the former paid the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF. TBF ONLY accepts memberships fees via a dedicated bitcoin wallet address, but said fee amount is nowhere to be found.
In spite of all the scuttlebutt on BitcoinTalk, TBF had yet to address concerns about said payment, in spite of such being an important issue at the time due to now/then KnC gaining unique voting rights for the then upcoming elections for vacated board seats in which Bobby Lee and Brock Pierce won.
Question: Where's the proof that KnC Miner truly did pay for their Platinum Member to join The Bitcoin Foundation, given that such is no state secret because bitcoins were supposed to be used and full-transparency is what TBF adheres to?
~Bruno Kucinskas
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Hi Bruno.
I double-checked and we sent KNC Miner an invoice via BitPay for $100,000 USD (Platinum Membership price), which they paid timely.
I double-checked and we sent KNC Miner an invoice via BitPay for $100,000 USD (Platinum Membership price), which they paid timely.
PhinnaeusGage:
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That is great! Now, show us the tx on the blockchain, since such is going to be disclosed anyway come tax time, you might as well show us said proof now to quell further discontent.
Don't bother, for this is all that need to be known: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/patrick-murck-plays-softball-with-ama-on-reddit-not-fully-addressing-knc-issue-848276
Unless you're into...
OK. Here's the link to the AMA session on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/
it has already ended. Haven't had a chance to read through it yet, I'm just about to start.
Heres the PhinnaeusGage Q and A:
Q:
A:
PhinnaeusGage:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/
it has already ended. Haven't had a chance to read through it yet, I'm just about to start.
Heres the PhinnaeusGage Q and A:
Q:
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I just took the time to read all the comments to date to see if a certain concern had been addressed, opting to not search the page.
Sadly, it had not, but at least I was amused with all the softball questions that I can't help myself from thinking some were contrived beforehand to control the narrative.
KnC Miner.
KnC Miner and The Bitcoin Foundation are on record in stating that the former paid the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF. TBF ONLY accepts memberships fees via a dedicated bitcoin wallet address, but said fee amount is nowhere to be found.
In spite of all the scuttlebutt on BitcoinTalk, TBF had yet to address concerns about said payment, in spite of such being an important issue at the time due to now/then KnC gaining unique voting rights for the then upcoming elections for vacated board seats in which Bobby Lee and Brock Pierce won.
Question: Where's the proof that KnC Miner truly did pay for their Platinum Member to join The Bitcoin Foundation, given that such is no state secret because bitcoins were supposed to be used and full-transparency is what TBF adheres to?
~Bruno Kucinskas
Sadly, it had not, but at least I was amused with all the softball questions that I can't help myself from thinking some were contrived beforehand to control the narrative.
KnC Miner.
KnC Miner and The Bitcoin Foundation are on record in stating that the former paid the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF. TBF ONLY accepts memberships fees via a dedicated bitcoin wallet address, but said fee amount is nowhere to be found.
In spite of all the scuttlebutt on BitcoinTalk, TBF had yet to address concerns about said payment, in spite of such being an important issue at the time due to now/then KnC gaining unique voting rights for the then upcoming elections for vacated board seats in which Bobby Lee and Brock Pierce won.
Question: Where's the proof that KnC Miner truly did pay for their Platinum Member to join The Bitcoin Foundation, given that such is no state secret because bitcoins were supposed to be used and full-transparency is what TBF adheres to?
~Bruno Kucinskas
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Hi Bruno.
I double-checked and we sent KNC Miner an invoice via BitPay for $100,000 USD (Platinum Membership price), which they paid timely.
I double-checked and we sent KNC Miner an invoice via BitPay for $100,000 USD (Platinum Membership price), which they paid timely.
PhinnaeusGage:
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That is great! Now, show us the tx on the blockchain, since such is going to be disclosed anyway come tax time, you might as well show us said proof now to quell further discontent.
this is a joke. how does people even buy all this soft communication crap?
business model? lmao.
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Developing a sustainable business model so that bitcoin's development isn't at the mercy of bitcoin price swings. This should also help align the Foundation's future with the value it is providing to the community.
business model? lmao.
It's about time!
All they did was ruin the Bitcoin decentralisaton image.
Its too late to repair relations, i hate "bitcoin foundation". Only doing harm to bitcoin, dissapear evil monsta! All they did was ruin the Bitcoin decentralisaton image.
After Jon Matonis' resignation, the new Executive Director, Patrick Murck, acknowledges the need to repair relationship between foundation and community.
Its difficult (impossible?) to repair a relationship with a community that doesn't want you to exist in the first place.
I personally believe the Bitcoin Foundation can, and already has, done things that were hugely important for Bitcoin's current level of success.
But many in this community think anything centralized is a breeding ground for corruption.
So they will waste insane amounts of energy looking for corruption.
Or simply pulling it out of their ass holes, if need be.
Given a situation like that, I don't know how worthwhile it would be to even try. But I suppose its worth a shot.
-B-
Game on!
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/clttx4a
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/clttx4a
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I just took the time to read all the comments to date to see if a certain concern had been addressed, opting to not search the page.
Sadly, it had not, but at least I was amused with all the softball questions that I can't help myself from thinking some were contrived beforehand to control the narrative.
KnC Miner.
KnC Miner and The Bitcoin Foundation are on record in stating that the former paid the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF. TBF ONLY accepts memberships fees via a dedicated bitcoin wallet address, but said fee amount is nowhere to be found.
In spite of all the scuttlebutt on BitcoinTalk, TBF had yet to address concerns about said payment, in spite of such being an important issue at the time due to now/then KnC gaining unique voting rights for the then upcoming elections for vacated board seats in which Bobby Lee and Brock Pierce won.
Question: Where's the proof that KnC Miner truly did pay for their Platinum Member to join The Bitcoin Foundation, given that such is no state secret because bitcoins were supposed to be used and full-transparency is what TBF adheres to?
~Bruno Kucinskas
Sadly, it had not, but at least I was amused with all the softball questions that I can't help myself from thinking some were contrived beforehand to control the narrative.
KnC Miner.
KnC Miner and The Bitcoin Foundation are on record in stating that the former paid the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF. TBF ONLY accepts memberships fees via a dedicated bitcoin wallet address, but said fee amount is nowhere to be found.
In spite of all the scuttlebutt on BitcoinTalk, TBF had yet to address concerns about said payment, in spite of such being an important issue at the time due to now/then KnC gaining unique voting rights for the then upcoming elections for vacated board seats in which Bobby Lee and Brock Pierce won.
Question: Where's the proof that KnC Miner truly did pay for their Platinum Member to join The Bitcoin Foundation, given that such is no state secret because bitcoins were supposed to be used and full-transparency is what TBF adheres to?
~Bruno Kucinskas
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/cltw3nv
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Hi Bruno.
I double-checked and we sent KNC Miner an invoice via BitPay for $100,000 USD (Platinum Membership price), which they paid timely.
I double-checked and we sent KNC Miner an invoice via BitPay for $100,000 USD (Platinum Membership price), which they paid timely.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/cltxn70
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That is great! Now, show us the tx on the blockchain, since such is going to be disclosed anyway come tax time, you might as well show us said proof now to quell further discontent.
Ask for proof, and receive a non-proof reply.
The Bitcoin Foundation has no problem disclosing multitudes of tx exceeding $100K but have yet provide the $100K payment from KnC Miner. At the very least, it's now implied that the supposed payment was remitted via bitcoins and NOT via a check, et al.
Surely, TBF is not trying to keep the BWA used from being uncovered fearing another tipped can o' worms causing a stampede, are they?
Feel free to chime in on TBF's AMA over on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/
They lost me the day they let Brock Pierce crawl his way in
I remember this one circulating on Bitcointalk. Mark Karpeles used to be on the foundation and all the photoshops / images about him were hilarious. I like the ones where Karpeles is working at McDonalds and the other where he is holding a samurai sword.
personally my favourite ever..
ps: f#ck em foundation.
After Jon Matonis' resignation, the new Executive Director, Patrick Murck, acknowledges the need to repair relationship between foundation and community.
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundations-new-head-patrick-murck-outlines-future-plans/
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundations-new-head-patrick-murck-outlines-future-plans/
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Notably, former general counsel Murck acknowledged a need to repair the foundation's relationship with the bitcoin community, even if that meant sometimes adopting unpopular or controversial positions on some issues, and taking risks with communication and transparency to demonstrate honest engagement.
Here's how to repair relationship: Disband the Foundation and distribute all funds to Core developers.
This Foundation is not needed for anything except as a centralized access gate for control by government. It is a waste of resources, contradicts the spirit of Bitcoin, and is a threat to the free development of the protocol.
ya.ya.yo!
It's very hard for bitcoin foundation to repair relationship with community because you have to consider that some people which is in bitcoin foundation is in arrest state now.
Game on!
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/clttx4a
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ldjk7/hello_rbitcoin_im_patrick_murck_executive/clttx4a
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I just took the time to read all the comments to date to see if a certain concern had been addressed, opting to not search the page.
Sadly, it had not, but at least I was amused with all the softball questions that I can't help myself from thinking some were contrived beforehand to control the narrative.
KnC Miner.
KnC Miner and The Bitcoin Foundation are on record in stating that the former paid the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF. TBF ONLY accepts memberships fees via a dedicated bitcoin wallet address, but said fee amount is nowhere to be found.
In spite of all the scuttlebutt on BitcoinTalk, TBF had yet to address concerns about said payment, in spite of such being an important issue at the time due to now/then KnC gaining unique voting rights for the then upcoming elections for vacated board seats in which Bobby Lee and Brock Pierce won.
Question: Where's the proof that KnC Miner truly did pay for their Platinum Member to join The Bitcoin Foundation, given that such is no state secret because bitcoins were supposed to be used and full-transparency is what TBF adheres to?
~Bruno Kucinskas
Sadly, it had not, but at least I was amused with all the softball questions that I can't help myself from thinking some were contrived beforehand to control the narrative.
KnC Miner.
KnC Miner and The Bitcoin Foundation are on record in stating that the former paid the $100K USD fee to become a Platinum Member of TBF. TBF ONLY accepts memberships fees via a dedicated bitcoin wallet address, but said fee amount is nowhere to be found.
In spite of all the scuttlebutt on BitcoinTalk, TBF had yet to address concerns about said payment, in spite of such being an important issue at the time due to now/then KnC gaining unique voting rights for the then upcoming elections for vacated board seats in which Bobby Lee and Brock Pierce won.
Question: Where's the proof that KnC Miner truly did pay for their Platinum Member to join The Bitcoin Foundation, given that such is no state secret because bitcoins were supposed to be used and full-transparency is what TBF adheres to?
~Bruno Kucinskas
Let's hope it is not too late yet...
Andreas
He was never their *chief scientist* (that is Gavin's title).
http://cointelegraph.com/news/112042/andreas-m-antonopoulos-leaves-bitcoin-foundation-not-happy-with-management
Andreas
He was never their *chief scientist* (that is Gavin's title).
I don't think many/any foundation (or similar entity that accepts donations) is ever going to be willing to give refunds in the way that you request.
I find "traditional establishments would never do this" to be a particularly uncompelling argument within the bitcoin space. The whole point of bitcoin should be to NOT make the same mistakes of traditional institutions. From this perspective, the foundation has failed so far. When their chief scientist abandoned them, and stated reasons like lack of transparency, that was a major red flag for me - and should be for any bitcoiner.
When Andreas left the foundation, I requested a refund of my 0.3 BTC donation for lifetime membership. They denied my request.
Allowing refunds would be a great place to start building good will. Maybe if I like the new direction you take the foundation I'll donate again, but holding my donation hostage in an entity that has changed is not cool.
I don't think many/any foundation (or similar entity that accepts donations) is ever going to be willing to give refunds in the way that you request. When a foundation receives a donation they will plan their budget accordingly however if they were to honor requests to refund donations then they would have no way to make a budget. Allowing refunds would be a great place to start building good will. Maybe if I like the new direction you take the foundation I'll donate again, but holding my donation hostage in an entity that has changed is not cool.
What you are asking is also essentially that they buy people's trust
Most boards work hand-in-glove with members at smaller, budgetable paces. They donate yearly or quarterly for their seat on the board. They sever ties by severing business propositions.
Do you realize how ridiculous it would be to say "OK, I'm going to provide my [utility service] to you at a discount forever, but I get to steer your organization for eternity as well" and PAY UP FRONT? Silly.
(As an aside to Beliathon, I have often enjoyed reading your posts in the past - please don't take this as a personal attack.)
Really?
Much of the evidence shows that they (the board members) have simply sought to enrich themselves, often in very questionable ways.
Much of the evidence shows that they (the board members) have simply sought to enrich themselves, often in very questionable ways.
Sociopaths and autocrats will always exist, create organizations, and be drawn to systems of power. Our goals should be on the constant struggle of questioning these forms of hierarchy and power and dismantling them as needed. Ignoring the threat does not stop them meeting with regulators and acting on behalf of Bitcoin. We would be better off appealing to their selfish interests by suggesting a more decentralized approach to the organization and how it could be an opportunity for growth. This doesn't mean I would respect or support any of the new fragments. Respect must be gained.
Well they kinda have to repair relationship with community since the community funds them, they cease to function without us.
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