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Topic: Bitcoin gambling website - legal or illegal ??? - page 2. (Read 2067 times)

legendary
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The only way I see this working is escrow with a independent way to pick the winner that no way you could controll. I also think it would be better to have smaller buy in with a tier payout of maybe 3-5.  
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
Its hard to edge in on gambling websites. You have to attract customers from other websites. To do that, you have to be good
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
It sounds like a raffle to me, what's so illegal about it? Use escrow if you're actually going to be doing this.
newbie
Activity: 6
Merit: 0
no law against bitcoins gambling but still it said to illegal....
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
Question is about licensing and legality and half the people here talk about the raffle he is thinking of providing.

Well, I admit, the part is boring. especially with the 10% edge. Legality depends on country. And you need a license.
Exactly. Also keep in mind that a license can be somewhat expensive.

Also you shouldn't underestimate the time and cost it would take to make a company, since you would most certainly need a company if you wanna handle reasonable amounts of cash. Additionally you will probably have to pay higher taxes than usually since most countrys have an additional gambling tax. That's also the reason, why most bitcoin gambling sites simply choose the easy and illegal path.
sr. member
Activity: 315
Merit: 250
Question is about licensing and legality and half the people here talk about the raffle he is thinking of providing.

Well, I admit, the part is boring. especially with the 10% edge. Legality depends on country. And you need a license.
Exactly. Also keep in mind that a license can be somewhat expensive.
Approx 40K/50K euros in the Netherlands...!!!!!!
legendary
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1000
I live in USA.
I want to create a Bitcoin gambling website on my domain name WinBitcoins.com

Some simple game like...
11 people send me .1 BTC each to play.
I pick one random winner and pay out 1 BTC and keep .1 BTC

Is this considered gambling and is it legal or illegal in USA?


wouldnt risk stuff like this in the USA, run the website from outside the US if needed.
member
Activity: 73
Merit: 10
Question is about licensing and legality and half the people here talk about the raffle he is thinking of providing.

Well, I admit, the part is boring. especially with the 10% edge. Legality depends on country. And you need a license.
Exactly. Also keep in mind that a license can be somewhat expensive.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1005
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Question is about licensing and legality and half the people here talk about the raffle he is thinking of providing.

Well, I admit, the part is boring. especially with the 10% edge. Legality depends on country. And you need a license.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1003
I agree that you need a licence to run a gambling site.
There are probably ways around it, like have 10 people donate money with one getting a 9x money back special, but it's still dodgy
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
The game play is irrelevant. If it is gambling, it is illegal if you do not have a licence. Unless you host it in a country where online gambling do not need a licence, keep all the funds separate and hidden, you might be able to get away with it, but still illegal.
legendary
Activity: 1143
Merit: 1000
I've made this kind of game, still finishing the design, i hope you'll enjoy it as soon as i release it with my partner
legendary
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
I live in USA.
I want to create a Bitcoin gambling website on my domain name WinBitcoins.com

Some simple game like...
11 people send me .1 BTC each to play.
I pick one random winner and pay out 1 BTC and keep .1 BTC

Is this considered gambling and is it legal or illegal in USA?

So, 90% of people should pay you to lose in other words?
Or what if you or some of your buddies is the "winner"?

Wake up. That's robbing.
I agree with the robbing part! the idea is pretty ridiculous in itself!!
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
I'm dying.
I live in USA.
I want to create a Bitcoin gambling website on my domain name WinBitcoins.com

Some simple game like...
11 people send me .1 BTC each to play.
I pick one random winner and pay out 1 BTC and keep .1 BTC

Is this considered gambling and is it legal or illegal in USA?

So, 90% of people should pay you to lose in other words?
Or what if you or some of your buddies is the "winner"?

Wake up. That's robbing.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1000
As I seen there aren't too much interest in raffle like games here, so probably you would struggle to find players. Not to mention that not much ppl would bet 0.1 BTC with such slim chances to win.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1009
Yes it is probably illegal.

But it is small fish, so if you don't shout you are from US and don't disclose personal info hen I think you will have no problem. I guess the FBI would not bother to make Theymos reveal your IP and stuff.

About the game: I would lower the minimum investment and the house edge. Maybe by giving lower rewards too?

About trust: if everything is doing using escrow, including the way of selecting winner, I think trust won't be an issue

But still need to think about a fair way of selecting the winner
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 6382
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I'd say that it is clearly gambling.
As people has already stated, your "example" game has a lot of flaws, I really hope that it's not the game you actually intend to provide.

Now, if you indeed have a good game to offer, I think that you should ask again, maybe on another thread, about the laws related to this (I am not from US and I cannot help); maybe registering (another) site in Cayman Islands fixes the problem :p
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
Other than the trust and legal issue mentioned already, you have to thing of a provably fair scheme to pick the winner, and lower your house edge % significant, or you cannot be able to attract players.

This. Why would anybody play with your extremely high house edge when they can play with a 1% house edge at places that have already proven there legitimacy?
hero member
Activity: 561
Merit: 500
Other than the trust and legal issue mentioned already, you have to thing of a provably fair scheme to pick the winner, and lower your house edge % significant, or you cannot be able to attract players.
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
As far as i know online gambling is a legal problem in the USA, furthermore there is really no point for people to gamble on your site if you don't provide anything new and revolutionary.
Otherwise everbody would just make their own online casino.
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