Topic: Bitcoin gave us something more than the protocol (Read 673 times)

yes I believe on that, bitcoin is the good digital currency right now and I think when the bitcoin price is failing and bitcoin lost their popularity, maybe in the future we can see that the platform and digital currency that have a more good purpose and great benefit than bitcoin do

Yes the idea of having bitcoin is what leaves on the heart of every bitcoiner.The freedom that we have on our money is somewhat like an endless happiness.We control our own money without worrying about the government being tax.Thats more than enough.

I agree with you, in bitcoin you have brighter future and gives you opportunity to learn and to earned more profit, and there are so many lives changing it become more better now and more people become interested to learn and wanted to join in investing in cryptocurrency. Joining in bitcoin you have brighter future .

1. greg maxwell termed it before august 2017.. he actually was openly saying in that conversation in ~october 2016 how he tried to convince opposers to f**k off and the opposers declined his offer.
2. saying it happened is different than advocating the desire of bilateral forks/split/contentious dilution of the community/mandated threats
3. i didnt agree with ver. i independently mentioned that a moment in history occured.
4. you have on many times subtly worded things to suggest i advocate and i want Y. when im actually mentioning the opposite of advocating/insisting on it happening. you seem to do this so that you can then foolishly have the mindset that i am pushing for things which i am not pushing for, just so you can ignore the real context of the message/topic i am discussing

the community includes miners. but got threatened to accept segwit or find themselves off the network
if they continued to oppose on august 1st they would have had their blocks rejected.
that is NOT community wanting segwit. thats the community forced into segwit.

learn what actually happened on august first to fake a majority. stop denying nothing happened
blockchains dont lie. the block data proves what actually happened, no matter what social yammer you may script out. the blockchain immutable data can refute you

Hold on. You were the person agreeing with Roger Ver, and debating that "Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash bilaterally split". How is it that now you are saying that it is a "dev-state" buzzword. Hahaha.


The community wanted Segwit, your "35% vote" were not really "votes", but miners signalling their readiness to the soft fork, which they politically used to make drama.

There was never a  "designed" consensus. You either agree or you don't -- it's the dictionary definition of consensus. If you agree, you run a node and thus join the network. If you disagree, you don't run a node...


Segwit never violated any consensus rules. That literally means that anyone running Bitcoin already implicitly agreed to Segwit (assuming it was enforced by miners and therefore backward compatible). There's absolutely no reason why 100% of the network needed to agree to anything since there was no violation of the consensus.


Legacy nodes were and are fully compatible. That's why the chain never split. Satoshi explains:

Actually its both currency and commodity -- to claim that its not will only confuse people (in the US) that are considering paying taxes on it:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/07/cryptocurrencies-like-bitcoin-are-commodities-us-judge-rules.html
https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/09/29/bitcoin-price-analysis/
https://www.danielstrading.com/2017/12/12/bitcoin-commodity-currency


So basically you're saying that the Bitcoin Core devs are a "state"? You're welcome to have your own opinions but I'd rather go with the reality of the situation, which is that bitcoin is highly decentralized in comparison to actual state currencies, and most other cryptocurrencies. If you look at the dispersion of mining and nodes in BTC compared to "other bitcoins" like BCH and SV, there's no comparison -- BTC is far more decentralized.

FTFY: a commodity is a raw material used to create products.. bitcoin is a asset currency.

what i view as occuring was 2009-2013 bitcoin was a open free choice asset currency to be the opposite of what fiat is.
what i view as occuring of 2013-2018 bitcoin is closing off as a free choice asset currency to become just another "new state" fiat.

Bitcoin was first created to become the future currency, but what is happening now is that Bitcoin has changed its function, becoming a traded commodity, so this is not a failure of Bitcoin, but a setback in digital currency technology, because if this happens then the function from bitcoin only as a digital asset, bitcoin should be returned to its original function as a payment tool, because bitcoin has the potential to become the world's single currency.

bitcoin is the one of product of blockchain that success, and i think that the real star in here is blockchain, many people here that want to know about blockchain and try to learn about it, so i think that blockchain will give us many many benefeit in the future

one thing is obvious even by the topic.

bitcoin "gave".
even he topic creator subconsciously/subtly admits bitcoins PAST ethos gave people an idea.
but the present. is not the same as the past.

your using the consensus as designed 2009-2013 to explain xt, classic, unlimited... and how core didnt get the vote early on

but you again seem to want to pretend the non consensus mandated august 1st 2017 bypass (dev state buzzword bilateral split) ever occured.
kind of funny because "dev state" were and still are proud that it occured

the fact that you admit in another post that core didnt get segwit in using the 2009-2013 consensus (the november 2016-spring 2017) shows it wasnt high majority. it only had 35% vote.

those that did run other nodes that are not compatible. were rlegated off network, diluting out the 65% objections. or relegated them as non voter 'compatible' (downstream/filtered/not full node/stripped)
purely to fake a 95% loyalty

thats why the mandated contentious events happened at the defined and mandated date of august 2017. because core didnt like their 35% vote, but didnt want to renegotiate/compromise back to a 2015 empty promise that the community would have accepted.

yep if core actually went with the 2015 consensus agreement they would have actually got segwit activated by christmas 2016 without contention(well, with the least contention)
.....
as for the market. dcg is the market. look at all the exchanges they OWN... remember the NYA agreement.. yes that... their involvement activated segwit with a fake promise that looks like the 2015 agreement. but backpeddled out of the 2x part, once 1x was activated. along with the UASF threats made by samson mow(dcg.co paid via BTCC) and luke JR(dcg.co paid via Blockstream). along with the fake offering of objectors with the bch(dcg.co paid via blockchain.info)

Housing developers either answer to the market or they go bankrupt. The same goes for Bitcoin developers: If users don't want to run their code, they become irrelevant. (See: Bitcoin XT, Classic, Unlimited)

There are alternative implementations. People are free to run them or to code their own. The fact that the vast majority of users choose to run Core instead speaks volumes about what the market wants.

You're just fighting the market, Franky.

users do not code a node
bitcoin is not an AI machine that self codes.
its developers that code changes. so any changes made are done by developers.

your argument is like saying house buyers control house creation.. um.. no housing developers do. you know.. the people that lay bricks and cement.
homeowners dont lay the bricks and cement. and these days home owners have less choice of house designs unless they are rich to employ their own developers. the average person only get to choose whatever designs being offered by developers.

these days the developers have now more powers to push their designs through to activation without community consent

but concentrating on the change from 2009-13 libertarian/open border currency. compared to todays more capitalist elite/authoritarian currency.

you can convey the situation like this

dcg.co = NYA agreement = king
core developers = segwit1x = knights
bloq developers = segwit2x = knights
bitcoinabc= bch= pawns

dcg.co = president
core developers = senate law makers
bloq developers = senate law makers
bitcoinabc= kanye wests fake political nomination

dcg.co = town hall housing planning department
core developers = housing developers
bloq developers = housing developers
bitcoinabc= mobile home designers

when you look at dcg.co/portfolio
it all becomes clear
blockstream=core devs
bloq= jgarzic/gavin
blockchain.info=ver

august 2017 was a planned event. even bch was just a distraction fake choice, to give the illusion of free choice
ver is in the pocket of dcg just as much as gavin is. and remember the drama of gavin in 2013-4 vs core... same story played out as played out in 2017

the btc:bch drama is just kardashian family social distraction drama.

people really need to take a step back from being sheep following the promotional adverts and actually need to look at the bigger picture of the whole show being played out to dilute the community down and push people out of the bitcoin network at any means, but under the pretence of fake/empty promises of offering something better.

I am agree, bitcoin is not just a cryptocurrency, its a new economic system that no need authority from government. I am believe bitcoin will not fail because its new investment and the market still at early stage

For now, bitcoin isn't worth mentioning as a failure. Personally I believe, bitcoin will evolve. Until someday, bitcoin experiences improvements to become a better payment tool, than the current payment system

A better Bitcoin in the form of a new generation of coins and blockchain that fits the current system is what we need. At this point, it is hard to achieve a currency or money that is not controlled by the state, the government always want to have control over everything, and it is the big reason why there are too many regulations regarding cryptocurrencies. This won't last, the newer generation will accept the fact that cryptocurrencies are here to stay and this is the future of finance. The efficiency it provides is way better and more secure that the fiat system.

So we are going to see that bitcoin is going to fail soon?

I don't want that to happen and as the community we know how bitcoin changed the world's transacion now a days and imagine if it implemented everywhere then we can get away from banking slave who treat like us ther slaves.

Bitcoin cannot fail, there is too much adoption already and it promises
too much for the future.

A lot of people it seems have lost the concept which bitcoin was created
for, transferring funds peer-to-peer.