bitcoin generation broken in 0.3.8? (64-bit)

lfm

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Quote from: Ground Loop on August 10, 2010, 02:09:27 AM

In recognition of the sluthiness exhibited by lfm and ArtForz, I will send them the first coins that my healed 64-bit Linux machine discovers.
Nice work guys. (lfm, post up an address, eh)

Note significant clues were also supplied by lechesis and tcatm if you're feeling generous. :-)

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My Linux 64-bit machine is provably healed, and all 11,000 khash/sec are being used For Good at last.

ArtForz, lfm, You have incoming coin.

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Quote from: Ground Loop on August 10, 2010, 02:09:27 AM

In recognition of the sluthiness exhibited by lfm and ArtForz, I will send them the first coins that my healed 64-bit Linux machine discovers.
Nice work guys. (lfm, post up an address, eh)

It would be great if some future version of bitcoin/bitcoind had an internal self-test, just to confirm that the hashing is working. As more folks try different options for specialized hardware, it seems all we have today is the indeterminate "difficulty 1" point-to-point test. A "known good" hardcoded hash seed could make this better.

ArtForz actually made a patch to check up on BitcoinMiner(), http://pastebin.com/YGUcqPYK

lfm

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Quote from: Ground Loop on August 10, 2010, 02:09:27 AM

In recognition of the sluthiness exhibited by lfm and ArtForz, I will send them the first coins that my healed 64-bit Linux machine discovers.
Nice work guys. (lfm, post up an address, eh)

here: 1HKXYYPCzQptzJsaq2nt8xUgsWNVFRfJWD
or here: 75.158.131.108

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It would be great if some future version of bitcoin/bitcoind had an internal self-test, just to confirm that the hashing is working. As more folks try different options for specialized hardware, it seems all we have today is the indeterminate "difficulty 1" point-to-point test. A "known good" hardcoded hash seed could make this better.

Ya a couple "test vectors" at runtime might be nice but then again if they're hacking they might hack out the test vectors cuz "they just slow ya down!" (logical or not)

If there was a well defined hook for the SHA variants it might make it less likely the test code would get hacked out. Not exactly sure how a hook should be designed to work for all the players out there. Stuff like GPU codes and SSE codes where several nonces might be tried in parallel need to be supported.

Ground Loop

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In recognition of the sluthiness exhibited by lfm and ArtForz, I will send them the first coins that my healed 64-bit Linux machine discovers.
Nice work guys. (lfm, post up an address, eh)

It would be great if some future version of bitcoin/bitcoind had an internal self-test, just to confirm that the hashing is working. As more folks try different options for specialized hardware, it seems all we have today is the indeterminate "difficulty 1" point-to-point test. A "known good" hardcoded hash seed could make this better.

satoshi

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I uploaded 0.3.8.1 for Linux with re-built 64-bit. I ran a difficulty 1 test with it and it has generated blocks.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/version-0381-update-for-linux-64-bit-765

Download:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.8/bitcoin-0.3.8.1-linux.tar.gz/download

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Quote from: lachesis on August 09, 2010, 11:45:39 AM

Yet another argument for cmake or similar.

It's a fact.

I intend to eventually sort out all building hassles and have a reliable build procedure across all win/unix 32/64-bit platform combinations.

On that note, I'm currently tackling x64 build for windows and notice that for 64-bit MSVC, the X86_SHA256_HashBlocks function is deferred to an external definition that is not present in the project. In the original CryptoPP library it seems to be in a separate asm module. I wonder how are people building x64 on windows, are they setting defines to use the C-source sha version?

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Quote from: satoshi on August 09, 2010, 02:50:41 PM

I found that SSE2 only added a slight speedup, about 2%, which didn't seem worth the incompatibility.

I do the see point because a non-SSE2 machine, the client would crash?

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It doesn't look to me like Crypto++ could be deciding whether to use SSE2 at runtime. There's one place where it detects SSE2 for deciding some block count parameter, but the SSE2 stuff is all #ifdef at compile time and I can't see how that would switch at runtime. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place.

Should we enable SSE2 in all the makefiles? It seems like we must in case someone compiles with 64-bit.

I will recompile the 64-bit part of the Linux 0.3.8 release.

Depends on which is easier really. If you enable something that is going to break compatibility, the only people who will feel the pain are the non-technical users of the client. From their perspective, it just doesn't work for some reason.

I think some builds notes would be better, example (If compiling on a 64bit system, be sure to do this part).

Have one branch of source that cross-compiles across multiple operating systems is always tricky business. Grin

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I found that SSE2 only added a slight 2% speedup, which didn't seem worth the incompatibility. I was trying to take the safer option.

It doesn't look to me like Crypto++ could be deciding whether to use SSE2 at runtime. There's one place where it detects SSE2 for deciding some block count parameter, but the SSE2 stuff is all #ifdef at compile time and I can't see how that would switch at runtime. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place.

Should we enable SSE2 in all the makefiles? It seems like we must in case someone compiles with 64-bit.

I will recompile the 64-bit part of the Linux 0.3.8 release.

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Quote from: lfm on August 09, 2010, 06:04:43 AM

I guess that flag was put in for old 32 bit machines that might not have sse2. Unfortunatly there is no such thing as a 64 bit x86_64 without sse2 so the conditional compilation produced an empty body which did exactly nothing.

Yet another argument for cmake or similar.

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The 32 bit Linux build seems ok for those who don't care to try to build it themselves. It's only a few percent slower than the 64 when built right.

I guess that flag was put in for old 32 bit machines that might not have sse2. Unfortunatly there is no such thing as a 64 bit x86_64 without sse2 so the conditional compilation produced an empty body which did exactly nothing.

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Quote from: ArtForz on August 08, 2010, 08:31:45 PM

Just had a "fun" gdb session with the official 0.3.8 linux 64 bit binary on debian sid.
Same bug, output state on return from SHA256Transform always == initial state.
So... did someone really generate a block running the official 0.3.8 64 bit linux binary (the one in bin/64)?
Oh, and from a quick glance at the svn changelog, that bug probably has been there since r118 = 0.3.6.
Oh, and who THE FUCK thought stripping the official binary was a good idea? I just wasted half an hour hunting down SHA256Transform in a disassembler.

Nice work mate! Time to PM Satoshi.

Sent you ฿5.01 for your troubles.

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Quote from: ArtForz on August 08, 2010, 08:31:45 PM

Just had a "fun" gdb session with the official 0.3.8 linux 64 bit binary on debian sid.
Same bug, output state on return from SHA256Transform always == initial state.
So... did someone really generate a block running the official 0.3.8 64 bit linux binary (the one in bin/64)?
Oh, and from a quick glance at the svn changelog, that bug probably has been there since r118 = 0.3.6.
Oh, and who THE FUCK thought stripping the official binary was a good idea? I just wasted half an hour hunting down SHA256Transform in a disassembler.

Not on 64bit linux, just 32bit and 64bit everything else in between (Linux/Windows)

I didn't notice until I checked the generation dates against the release dates of the software.

If you don't strip the debug symbols the binary is 8 times it's normal size.

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Just had a "fun" gdb session with the official 0.3.8 linux 64 bit binary on debian sid.
Same bug, output state on return from SHA256Transform always == initial state.
So... did someone really generate a block running the official 0.3.8 64 bit linux binary (the one in bin/64)?
Oh, and from a quick glance at the svn changelog, that bug probably has been there since r118 = 0.3.6.
Oh, and who THE FUCK thought stripping the official binary was a good idea? I just wasted half an hour hunting down SHA256Transform in a disassembler.

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I don't really know what it changes. I wonder why the define was made in the first place. The code should be able to determine whether it's running on a SSE2 CPU or not. I discovered it while comparing my 4xSSE2 hash function to the original one in 0.3.6 so it really means, that no 64bit build since 0.3.6 was able to generate any coins. Maybe satoshi can tell us why he put the define in the makefile.

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Quote from: tcatm on August 08, 2010, 07:56:54 AM

Did you compile it yourself? There's a define in makefile.unix. Something like -DCRYPTOPP_DISABLE_SSE2. Remove that. Else the SHA256_Transform will return the initstate. I had the same problem when switchting to 0.3.6.

This works for the 64bit builds, strange that it has no affect on the 32bit builds? Should it be disabled for 32bit builds as well?

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After testing the 32bit and 64bit builds, the problem I can confirm what was already posted here, it just affects the 64bit builds. When I go back and trace what's being produced, it's the 64bit Linux machines (the 64bit windows machines don't appear to have this problem) that aren't producing any coin since the latest releases. All of the 32bit builds (stock or custom) appear to be just fine.

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Quote from: lfm on August 08, 2010, 06:32:32 AM

This seems to be a different problem. The blocks do not seem to be "stuck" on my systems. The getinfo shows them up to date

It seems the sha256 code is not getting built right for linux 64. Not sure if/how it could work on some and not on others.

Quote from: knightmb on August 08, 2010, 03:20:20 AM

There is one behavior that I've noticed.

Block sync stalling.

When the client (be it Windows or Linux) has been running for a few days, *sometimes* they get stuck in block limbo. What happens is your client keeps trying to solve the current block and loses track of the entire block system. So as time goes by, other blocks are solved and your PC is still stuck on the same block.

...

I'm starting to wonder if the two are connected now since the hashing seems to get stuck, maybe that's why it gets stuck on a block.

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Quote from: nimnul on August 08, 2010, 01:50:10 PM

@lachesis: 404 not found

@knightmb: What about a fixed CentOS build?

Should be simple enough for CentOS, I was going to test it out first to see if those suffered the same issue, thought it seems like all the builds would suffer this issue if the compile flag is what makes the difference.

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@lachesis: 404 not found

@knightmb: What about a fixed CentOS build?

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