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Topic: Bitcoin Gold and Segwit2x upcoming forks - page 2. (Read 1565 times)

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October 18, 2017, 05:25:38 PM
#34
I don't think it is a good option these forks might give free money to millions but no one sees the damage it is causing bitcoin in the long term. It also spoils stability of the overall markets , forks should happen once in a year not every quarter. This hype is going to be like ico too hot in starting and finally a useless dumped token
newbie
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October 18, 2017, 03:59:35 PM
#33
Bitcoin Gold is a fork of the Bitcoin blockchain that will occur on October 25, 2017. At the predetermined block height, Bitcoin Gold miners will begin creating blocks with a new proof-of-work algorithm, and this will cause a bifurcation of the Bitcoin blockchain. The original Bitcoin blockchain will continue on unaltered, but a new branch of the blockchain will split off from the original chain. The new branch is a distinct blockchain with the same transaction history as Bitcoin up until the fork, but then diverges from it. As a result of this process, a new cryptocurrency will be born.
legendary
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October 18, 2017, 03:55:26 PM
#32
If we can't transact B2X to the exchanges, then how is a price for B2X going to be established?
Either you transact and risk loosing Bitcoin or you do not. Either the exchange credits existing balances, or not. Either way, the best way to currently estimate the price of B2X is futures trading as there is no risk of losing your Bitcoin ATM. Last time I've checked, the price was 1/8 of Bitcoin if not lower.

We need to be able to transact it in order to dump it, kill the price and force miners to come back to the legacy chain. If we cannot do this then how can B2X be beaten?
A coin without liquidity on the market and transaction liquidity has inherently no value since it has no use case.

Seems like a tricky situation where you must leave your coins in an exchange prior hardfork in order to dump them... not a good idea, specially whales that have tons of BTC ready to dump, it's a risk to leave them at the exchange.
I am not touching my coins unless there is a provably safe way of dumping that garbage shitcoin.
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October 18, 2017, 01:08:14 PM
#31
I believe a lot of coins will be lost after segwit2x more than people realize when they lose coins due to the lack of protection... people will abandon the new coin due to the flaw and the dump... this will stop (or at least seriously slow) future forks.  Will created added confidence to the original bchain, and the increased rarity due to the people burned by coin loss will push BTC to $8250 by December 20th.  A pullback to $6500 in mid-january until hitting $10k by March 2018.

Economic stagflation in fiat and increased interest rates by the fed...  and a 15-20% housing market dip will depress BTC (at first think a 20% sustained drop over 2 months) back to a 7-8k level in June before sending it to a level of 22k by October of 2018 when stock conditions have investors looking harder at cryptocurrencies.  Should see overall crypto investments hitting 500 billion by then... which would equate to only a move of .5% of investment from the regular stock market into the cryptomarket.

Once the market takes a dip below the psychologically important Dow industrial average of 17500 due to the democrats defeating the gop in the midterms you will see a large wave of investment movement to BTC (not so much ALT coins like the previous move).  By January 2019 you could see the first crossing of the 1trillion market cap with BTC dominance around 63%.

At that point Bitcoin in January of 2019 I'd estimate there will be approximately 17 million bitcoins in existence... price at that time 37k /coin.   At that point the stock market will start really getting into problems.

High interest rates + Congressional uncertainty + bad housing market + a POSSIBLE attempt at democrat impeachment = a massive exodus from the stock market and bond market into:
Commodities, Precious Metals, & Cryptocurrencies

100k/coin by January 2020 and that STILL would only be a 2.2% movement into cryptocurrenies away from the stock and forex markets.

Anyone that thinks Bitcoin is a bubble is psychotic "It's only just begun"
legendary
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October 18, 2017, 11:09:49 AM
#30

Do not transact B2X unless you want to lose your Bitcoin. There is no viable replay protection.

If we can't transact B2X to the exchanges, then how is a price for B2X going to be established? We need to be able to transact it in order to dump it, kill the price and force miners to come back to the legacy chain. If we cannot do this then how can B2X be beaten?

Maybe they will beat themselves if people lose a lot of money because of they not adding replay attack protection, but this would fall into a legal level and legality may not apply or care in this case to do anything about it.

Seems like a tricky situation where you must leave your coins in an exchange prior hardfork in order to dump them... not a good idea, specially whales that have tons of BTC ready to dump, it's a risk to leave them at the exchange.
sr. member
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October 18, 2017, 10:46:03 AM
#29

I think this is not good. I really don't understand why oppose..
Bitcoin gold will be the power alt of bitcoin and better than BCH. Most users would like GPU mining
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October 18, 2017, 08:16:01 AM
#28
The great majority of Bitcoin users doesn´t follow daily news and updates released about the tech. Some of them even buy Btc and leave them on a exchange market. There is a general idea also, at the moment, that people should join now and purchase Btc, because with the upcoming "hard forks" there will be extra cash to everyone. But everybody should keep in mind, that there is several risks involved and in this Bitcoin community, things are not always what they seem.  The hard fork of Bitcoin Gold will happen on the 25/10, while the Bitcoin SegWit 2x somewhere in 3º week of November.
legendary
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newbie
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October 17, 2017, 05:48:40 PM
#26
I agree that both forks (Bitcoin Gold and Segwit2x) may bring about some Bitcoin price volatility during the next few weeks. However, historically price volatility has been positive for Bitcoin due to more media attention leading more people to get involved with cryptocurrency and ultimately Bitcoin price has always moved higher over time. I don't expect the next two forks to be any different from the recent Bitcoin Cash fork experience. These forks help to move the adoption of cryptocurrency forward and I don't think people should be concerned.
sr. member
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October 17, 2017, 12:34:38 PM
#25
No matter the presence of bitcoin gold, I'm sure will be the same as bitcoin cash, the best way is to invest in the beginning and then sell when you get profit 50%, let's welcome bitcoin gold to get profit quickly.
sr. member
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October 17, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
#24
For B2X, you should wait a day or two to see what's happening before making a transaction.
Do not transact B2X unless you want to lose your Bitcoin. There is no viable replay protection.

^^ This. There is no replay protection in 2x and people should be extra careful. If you want to do it anyway, make sure to move original bitcoin (original blockchain) to the new address before spending 2x from the same old address on the new forked chain.

This is not safety.. All proccess like get Bitcoin Cash.
How think if hold BTC on poloniex, will they add and fund new coin bitcoin gold?
hero member
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October 16, 2017, 06:26:14 PM
#23
This upcoming forks is what i am waiting for because i bought bitcoin at the dips from the FUDs like around 4,000 or even below and up until now, i am still holding bitcoin because of the upcoming forks because i believe that after the forks and after i get the bitcoin gold bonus coin like an airdrop then i will sell it and i will sell some of my bitcoin so i can unload some for securing profits.
hero member
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October 16, 2017, 06:21:55 PM
#22
For B2X, you should wait a day or two to see what's happening before making a transaction.
Do not transact B2X unless you want to lose your Bitcoin. There is no viable replay protection.

Is anybody following what's happening with this? Last I heard, opt-in replay protection was being removed, but the BTC1 folks were discussing strong replay protection via the OP_RETURN script. I certainly hope they add strong replay protection because people are inevitably going to try to split their coins to sell the B2X. And using nLocktime + RBF is really not intuitive for novices.
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October 16, 2017, 06:16:04 PM
#21
Some people love the free money, but it seems really bad for Bitcoin long-term.
As for me free money not free money, we always work something to earn.. Nothing is free in the world Smiley... Dont hate free money :3
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"Quietly Making Noise"
October 16, 2017, 06:13:54 PM
#20
Some people love the free money, but it seems really bad for Bitcoin long-term.

It should not affect bitcoin long term at all. It will just cause short term price swings because the market must price the new coins.

It depends if there is a significant, permanent split. Let's say the Segwit2x fork causes a 50-50 split in the userbase. According to Moore's Law, that will cut the network value of each network down to merely 25% of the original network's value. This is because networks exponentially gain value as more people come online. They also exponentially lose value as more people leave the network (i.e. in a fork).

It's also possible that these forks are diluting potential investment into BTC (prospective investors putting money into other coins in addition to BTC).

Yes, you are a better writer than me, and I agree with your ideas regarding a ~50/50 split. Too many people are getting hooked on "magic money" without paying attention to history and reality.
sr. member
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October 16, 2017, 05:29:32 AM
#19
For B2X, you should wait a day or two to see what's happening before making a transaction.
Do not transact B2X unless you want to lose your Bitcoin. There is no viable replay protection.

^^ This. There is no replay protection in 2x and people should be extra careful. If you want to do it anyway, make sure to move original bitcoin (original blockchain) to the new address before spending 2x from the same old address on the new forked chain.
legendary
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October 16, 2017, 05:04:19 AM
#18
First, what is fork?
A fork is like a ramification of the original Bitcoin, basically copying BTC code and adding some more features.
That is a completely wrong definition. A hard fork is a change which aims to either: a) Create an entirely new coin. b) Change the existing consensus rules in order to do something. A hard fork does not necessarily need to add any features, it could be a simple bug fix.


Bitcoin Gold (BTG) (happening around 10/26) is aiming to have a coin that can be mined using GPU processing (AKA computer video cards usually for gaming) the intention is to make it easy for regular people to mine BTG and remove some power to mining companies in China using special and expensive equipment to mine (known as ASICs).

Segwit2x (in November) is about increasing the size of the block from 1MB to 2MB but it is more controversial as developers of Bitcoin Core are against it while other miners and very influential people backed by the New York agreement are the ones pushing for this change.
Both of those are altcoins, and the first one is a complete joke not worth talking about.

Some people love the free money, but it seems really bad for Bitcoin long-term.
Wrong. It's exactly the opposite.

For B2X, you should wait a day or two to see what's happening before making a transaction.
Do not transact B2X unless you want to lose your Bitcoin. There is no viable replay protection.
hero member
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October 16, 2017, 04:23:00 AM
#17
Thanks for posting this. Actually I was not aware about 2 forks. Yeah I was aware about the Segwit2x and I thought that's bitcoin gold. So two forks are going to come. That means we all are going to receive free money two more times. Anyways that's good. Who don't like free money Ah? So my question is which is more secure to keep bitcoins safely during the fork? Any ideas guys?

Just withdraw them from exchanges, services then leave them on your wallet.
For B2X, you should wait a day or two to see what's happening before making a transaction.
legendary
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October 16, 2017, 03:44:07 AM
#16
Thanks for posting this. Actually I was not aware about 2 forks. Yeah I was aware about the Segwit2x and I thought that's bitcoin gold. So two forks are going to come. That means we all are going to receive free money two more times. Anyways that's good. Who don't like free money Ah? So my question is which wallet is more secure to keep bitcoins safely during the fork? Any ideas guys?
hero member
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October 16, 2017, 03:43:06 AM
#15
In my opinion this is the fork that we should worry about, due to the different opinions there could be a lot of volatility.

I think we will see more and more fork attempt on the BTC network.
It seem like a treat right now, but on the long term nobody will care anymore.
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