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August 10, 2011, 06:46:21 AM
#55
This would be awesome. Please keep us updated.

4. An expert witness, independent of the computing network, must attest to the
computing power.

5. Two (2) independent witnesses must attest to the computing power.

I wonder what would be considered "independent". I'd guess anyone who's not mining.

Also, "expert" is another vague one.
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August 10, 2011, 06:23:10 AM
#54
Organisation:Bitcoin.org
People: Inhabitants all over the world?

How did the folding@home people fill that in then?
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August 10, 2011, 05:59:21 AM
#53
§ The name of the organisation, company or person(s) making the attempt must
be given, along with the date and place.

Is there even a valid answer for that with somthing decentralized like Bitcoin?

"Bitcoin, all the time, all over the planet"  Grin
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August 10, 2011, 01:18:29 AM
#52
§ The name of the organisation, company or person(s) making the attempt must
be given, along with the date and place.

Is there even a valid answer for that with somthing decentralized like Bitcoin?
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August 10, 2011, 12:55:07 AM
#51
Got news from Guinnes world records:

MOST POWERFUL DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING NETWORK
DEFINITION OF RECORD
This is for the most powerful distributed computing network.
It must be measured in petaFLOPS and floating point operations per second.

GUIDELINES FOR ‘MOST POWERFUL DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING NETWORK’
1. For the purposes of this record, a distributed computing network consist of
clients and servers connected in such a way that any system can potentially
communicate with any other system.

2. The capacity of the distributed computing network must be tested using
appropriate means.

3. The exact measurements of the distributed computing network must be given in
petaFLOPS and floating point operations per second.

4. An expert witness, independent of the computing network, must attest to the
computing power.

5. Two (2) independent witnesses must attest to the computing power.

6. Any other relevant information must be included in the cover letter or evidence
package.

GENERAL ‘MOST POWERFUL DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING’ NETWORK
GUIDELINES

§ The name of the organisation, company or person(s) making the attempt must
be given, along with the date and place.

§ Failure to include the required documentation will ultimately delay the outcome
of your claim or lead to its rejection.


-> How can i fix or demonstrate them all these points?
legendary
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July 23, 2011, 01:22:35 PM
#50
you can estimate the FLOPs potential of the Bitcoin network based on the approximate hardware making up the hashing power.

That would be good if there was some way of getting a rough idea of the hardware making up the hashing power.  Do we have anything better than guessing at the moment?  I don't think any peer on the network even reports that it is hashing unless it solves a block, let alone having to identify the hardware it is using.

I think the only way we can estimate the total hashrate of the network as a whole is to look at the rate that blocks are solved relative to the current difficulty.  Is that right?

Do we have any idea what percentage of the network's hashing power is made up of ASICs which have no floating point capability at all?
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July 20, 2011, 08:30:06 AM
#49
I believe whatever calculation method they will approve Bitcoin will be the highest PFLOP single project present on earth.

I think I will file (too) if no one here said clearly he filed for it.
i have already requested the record, i'll tell you everything, if i've got news.
but the free request takes 4-6 weeks until first response...
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July 20, 2011, 08:11:04 AM
#48
I believe whatever calculation method they will approve Bitcoin will be the highest PFLOP single project present on earth.

I think I will file (too) if no one here said clearly he filed for it.
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July 19, 2011, 02:12:11 PM
#47
I wrote an email to Nils Schneider.
he said:
"The fundamental problem is, that bitcoin does not use floating point
operations. What you can do is: Pretend that the same hardware was build
to do FLOPs instead of INTOPs and then you would get about 153 PetaFLOPs."

it's larger than we thought. I will tell this argument guinness world record if we dont get the record the first time...
if they negatiate too, we can make an own record with hashs!



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July 19, 2011, 03:10:19 AM
#46
Seems to me that the bitcoin network is doing integer operations, not floating point.  So what's the relevance of FLOPS?
We're well aware of that (as you surely noticed while reading this thread). The FLOPs measure is not applicable to hashing per se, but you can estimate the FLOPs potential of the Bitcoin network based on the approximate hardware making up the hashing power.

Since the folding@home people have their own way of measuring their computational power which makes it hard to compare it with the Bitcoin network it's probably the best we can do.
legendary
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July 18, 2011, 03:36:35 PM
#45
Seems to me that the bitcoin network is doing integer operations, not floating point.  So what's the relevance of FLOPS?
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July 18, 2011, 03:19:39 PM
#44
its done i've sent the claim... now we have to wait

i'm not the owner of the bitcoin system... hope i dont get in trouble because of it (if satoshi arrives: "he it's my record")
i hope they're enough intelligent, that they dont give the record to me. its for the bitcoin community!

Sent ya some for your work.

Thank you..
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July 18, 2011, 02:37:09 PM
#43
well let us file for it then . who should do that ? Satoshi or andreson ? umm maybe me ! Cheesy

I know a lawyer in New York who's probably already filed for the record.  Undecided

stole my joke!   
legendary
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July 18, 2011, 02:30:02 PM
#42
a world record would give bitcoin a push! normal people will realize how big bitcoin already is!


it made me think, too. "Most powerful distributed computing network in the world." - Yummy!

the numbers on bitcoinwatch are based on assumptions in this thread (and the blockchain I guess):

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=4689.0

sr. member
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July 18, 2011, 10:07:40 AM
#41
its done i've sent the claim... now we have to wait

i'm not the owner of the bitcoin system... hope i dont get in trouble because of it (if satoshi arrives: "he it's my record")
i hope they're enough intelligent, that they dont give the record to me. its for the bitcoin community!
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July 18, 2011, 10:00:24 AM
#40
Maybe encourage bitcoinwatch to help you file. It's possible that they could get some publicity as well. Surely they get their numbers from somewhere
sr. member
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July 18, 2011, 09:08:33 AM
#39
there has to be answerd:
Who is attempting this?
How will they do it?
How is it measured, what is the record based on?
Why are you doing this?
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July 18, 2011, 07:56:24 AM
#38
+ 1

This should be good enough. Guinness probably has fairly competent researchers or/and access to experts to verify the claim.
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July 18, 2011, 07:52:59 AM
#37
how can i proof?
Well, the "proof" is the blockchain, but I think a well formulated claim with some links to further information is sufficient.
As I said in my previous posts, you could use a wording similar to the current entry in your proposal:

"On 16 July 2011 Bitcoin, a voluntary peer-to-peer computing project to create the worlds first decentralized digital currency, achieved a computing power equivalent to over 14 petaFLOPS (14 quadrillion floating point operations per second). The project was initiated by a cryptographer named Satoshi Nakamoto in 2009. Since then, a growing number of Bitcoin users around the world combine the processing power of their computer's graphic cards to create and secure those new digital tokens of value. Counterfeiting Bitcoins would require an adversary to have a much higher computing power than the whole Bitcoin network combined, which makes them practically forgery-proof."

For further reference, include links to the hashrate graphs, the bitcoin.org project page, possibly the weusecoins-video, the introductory page from the wiki and the link to the original paper from Satoshi. I don't think they will need much more of the technical details.
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July 18, 2011, 06:46:28 AM
#36
only important that we lead not how much!
how can i proof?
i think i cant calculate them this:
I would point to the graphs at http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png and refer to the hashing power of the most often used (and most efficient) GPU, the 5970. The hashrate of around 12000 GHash/s would need about 15000 ATI 5970 GPUs (~800MHash/s according to the wiki).
Since we're not doing FLOPs when hashing we can only estimate what our FLOP/s rating would be:

Depending an how you measure the power of a 5970The maximum theoretical computational capacity of a 5970 is 4640 GFLOP/s single precision or 928 GFLOP/s double precision. That means we are at about 13.92 PFLOP/s double precision.

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