Topic: Bitcoin Has Lost Its Way: Here’s How to Return to Crypto’s Subversive Roots - page 2. (Read 335 times)

Sometimes things are not used for what it was meant to be created and things find another cause to be used for.
For example , Viagra was originally made to be used for hypertension and heart disease but was later identified as a tablet for erections.
I am still optimistic for bitcoin since it still has a chance to be used for what it was meant to be but even if it doesn't then I am sure it will find another way to rank in the market. So holding it for long term would reap the benefits in the future.

Indeed, it is. At the beginning of the birth of bitcoin there were a lot of enthusiasts who acted guided by a bright mind and the best intentions. After bitcoin became a popular means of earning simple money, a huge number of scammers appeared. This is life and there's nothing you can do about it.

For how long do you think we'll be able to continue using Bitcoin the "free" way though? That's what's changed. If you take a look at recent laws regarding gold & silver in Europe for example, there have been limits imposed so that any purchase that exceeds €10k needs to be done through identity verification (and I believe AML authorities are announced about the acquisition as well). So while you could theoretically take gold and do whatever you want with it, these rules and restrictions are strangling the "freedom" part of what both cryptocurrencies and precious metals offer.

Quick example: ATMs. We probably now have KYC almost everywhere around the world if we exceed limits or the ATM owners consider our txs suspicious. Years ago, you could buy as much as you wanted without having to worry about this. You could buy $100k worth of BTC through Bisq though, but by doing so aren't you basically trying to avoid the laws?

You could purchase guns off a dark black market for free and do what you want with it. Laws and regulations, however, take that freedom away from you. The more people promote this "buy bitcoin get rich" thing, the less they'll care about fundamental ideas - and that allows those stinky regulations to exist.

this is long on marketing-babble and short on substance

the history and philosophy the author speaks about is all quite relevant, but the details of 'Dark Wallet' aren't described at all. It's actually an old project from Amir Taaki, written in Javascript, but this may have been changed since the early project. The previous anonymity tech was... Coinjoin, which is now not as exciting as it was back in 2013


meanwhile, the nascent Coinswap protocol is being worked on, and will likely be the most effective (and cheapest) way of securing privacy for all Bitcoin users, as it's impossible to know whether or not any or all BTC recorded on the blockchain is being Coinswapped, as it's on off-chain protocol.

If Dark Wallet can improve on Coinswap, I'd be happy to hear about it, but it seems strange that they're only talking around (for several hundred words...) the wider issues of privacy and economic autonomy, but not providing details (or updates) on what now must be a 5 or 6 year old project.

I believe not. Bitcoin, the way the Core developers made design-decisions, are still those things the OP has said it lost. It's still open, it's still permissionless, and it's still censorship-resistant. How can that be not a tool for freedom?

It is a mutual correlation and growth between legal adoption and anonymity. The governments always want to involve in financial markets because their ultimate goals are tracing capital flows, and getting benefits from as much data they retrieve as possible. Taxes they get from citizens are only one of things they can get.

Therefore, if governments develop and upgrade their technologies, the anonymity will decrease oppositely -- only if bitcoin or blockchain technologies won't upgrade more at the same time. It is kinda race between governments and bitcoin developers and users. Believe me, governments are falling behind any tech revolultion. 
I don't think so. It depends on each person and their standpoint on how privacy is important for him/her life. There are some self-claimed bitcoin enthusiasts don't care about privacy, adoption, technology.

I unfortunately don't have much time to read the entire article but it certainly looks like it deserves a good read. I have taken a very quick look over the article and here's what I have to say:

I feel like Bitcoin has lost its way as well. We've gone from the desire of freedom to the desire of material earnings, a higher value that we'd sacrifice almost anything for. Turning Bitcoin into exactly what it wasn't supposed to be. And while you could still spend and move your BTC freely around even if it was to be banned in your country, the majority has the power and the majority seems not to care about anything besides value.

However, this was a logical thing from the start: the more people join, the smaller chances are that Bitcoin will follow its initial path.. hence why I sometimes wonder if Bitcoin's fundamentals would have been way better followed if it had a small value. It's usually the ones not giving a damn about BTC that are quitting - I would personally not sell anything even if it was to drop to $50. Would you? Or would you move to another crypto?

At the same time, going back to the crypto anarchy stuff and expressing our desires through BTC would basically turn it into an enemy for authorities. Just imagine suddenly having BTC fully anonymous - or everyone suddenly starting to whirlpool their coins. Is that healthier and better than the way we're currently following, or would we have to expect an immediate ban following such a change?

It's a debatable thing, but if there's anything I 100% agree with, it's the fact that we have lost our way long time ago.

The Idea and Technology behind Bitcoin were one of the greatest gifts to Mankind in this Era of our development. It also brought with it the best and worst that human nature has to offer but it is here to stay nonetheless. I think now of course Bitcoin is being manipulated by the Big Boys and we small fish just have to go along with the Party line for now. I am grateful to have lived through this experience in my lifetime, even the good and the bad..and hope that the LITTLE MAN will still have something to gain from the LEGACY that Bitcoin has brought to the global financial System. There is still a chance small people can benefit from it directly by owning it and indirectly through it's technological breakthrough.

Firstly, your post is quite complicated op, but I understood what you were trying to convey after reading it twice along with the replies above. You are concerned about the anonymity aspect related to BTC, but this is nothing new.

Majority of the crypto investors primarily view BTC as an asset which is why 100% anonymity is not a big deal to them. The minority of the investors view BTC as a payment method in comparison.

Even if this comparison gets reversed in the future, we cannot utilize BTC in a fully anonymous manner unless we use mixers etc to enhance anonymity.

@davis196. However, we should reflect on what the cryptospace should be for us all, be that as it may. Are we only here to support its compliance and submission to the authority of the governments and the banks so we can get rich quick?

I am also sometimes guilty of this, I admit.

bitcoin core is a bitcoin client while bitcoin cash is an altcoin. it is like saying if you don't like this food wear another pants.

i disagree. anonymity and global adoption are not in contrast. it is just bitcoin's design that doesn't provide 100% anonymity by default. otherwise if it were designed in some other way with some interesting ideas it could have been anonymous by default too.

that means these people either don't understand what they are giving up or they don't care about their privacy at all.

If you don't like Bitcoin Core,then use Bitcoin cash or any altcoin.
If you want an anonymous cryptocurrency,then use Monero.
Bitcoin can't get adopted globally by companies,banks,hedge funds and small businesses,while trying to be as anonymous as possible.
If crypto stays truly "anarchist",then only the scammers and criminals will use it on the darkweb.
You can't have global adoption and full anonymity at the same time.
Most crypto supporters want the global adoption and they are willing to sacrifice a part of their online privacy.
The crypto world is pretty democratic.The majority decides about the future of crypto.

This is someone's journey in the cryptospace, what she has learned and what it must be. It is very easy to be lost from the way because the many of us want compliance and submit to the government and get rich quick.

This article is a reminder and lesson on what the cryptospace should be for all of us.



By suppressing its crypto-anarchist roots and whitewashing its aims to appeal to bankers, crypto has cut itself off from its source of power.

Maybe it was my state of mind, but it felt like the dissonance between cryptocurrency’s stated aims and its material reality was reaching a fever pitch. The general effort toward compliance was not only enabling certain forms of oppression but at times actively supporting it.

At that moment, I decided that anonymity is where all philosophy of technology collides. In technical terms, it is synonymous with freedom. Practically, it can mean life or death.

Read in full https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-lost-way-subversive-roots