. Who has calculations for how big it will be in 10,50,100 years?
Doesn't matter as long as pruning is enabled.
Topic: Bitcoin in space. (Read 4503 times)
Doesn't matter as long as pruning is enabled.
Why don't we just claim that we have a cloaked satellite(s) in space that beams all relative information back to Earth, some of which is stored on the P2P network? Then sell sovereign memberships.
Wouldn't you rather own a part of a real satellite?
Why don't we just claim that we have a cloaked satellite(s) in space that beams all relative information back to Earth, some of which is stored on the P2P network? Then sell sovereign memberships.
Yes, that is out of the question. We need a long term solution. I'm hoping for it to last 20-50 years
I don't think we should collect anything until we at least have a plan of action that is agreed upon.
So, hashing in unnecessary, and only good for style points
I propose a computer dedicated to running the node with a redundant storage medium obviously able to operate in space. I'm not sure whether HDD will work in space, so if not a HDD raid then SSD. It would be nice to have a hundred terabytes or so, so ensure this will be able to hold the entire chain. Who has calculations for how big it will be in 10,50,100 years?
Here is a Tip Jar to make it happen. If we collect $1000, we can pledge that into the KickSat program (the one on the kickstarter). For that we could get the Sprite dev kit and program it. Or we could choose another way.
https://propster.me/
https://propster.me/
I don't think we should collect anything until we at least have a plan of action that is agreed upon.
So, hashing in unnecessary, and only good for style points
I propose a computer dedicated to running the node with a redundant storage medium obviously able to operate in space. I'm not sure whether HDD will work in space, so if not a HDD raid then SSD. It would be nice to have a hundred terabytes or so, so ensure this will be able to hold the entire chain. Who has calculations for how big it will be in 10,50,100 years?
Well KickSat won't work for this. You can run your own code, but only very limited C code. And, they will be fired into low altitude orbit and will burn up after a few weeks.
Here is a Tip Jar to make it happen. If we collect $1000, we can pledge that into the KickSat program (the one on the kickstarter). For that we could get the Sprite dev kit and program it. Or we could choose another way.
https://propster.me/
https://propster.me/
I don't think we should collect anything until we at least have a plan of action that is agreed upon.
So, hashing in unnecessary, and only good for style points
I propose a computer dedicated to running the node with a redundant storage medium obviously able to operate in space. I'm not sure whether HDD will work in space, so if not a HDD raid then SSD. It would be nice to have a hundred terabytes or so, so ensure this will be able to hold the entire chain. Who has calculations for how big it will be in 10,50,100 years?
I read "geo stationary" somehwere. Wouldn't it be even better to orbit the planet so people in one censored state get their transactions processed at one hour while in other such funny states at other hours?
Also if this machine is meant for any real purpose other than just for the fun of it, I don't see room for hashing other than a symbolic FPGA from our biggest sponsor.
Also if this machine is meant for any real purpose other than just for the fun of it, I don't see room for hashing other than a symbolic FPGA from our biggest sponsor.
Why a geosat? Those are much more expensive for a number of reasons, and a geosat can't cover the entire earth, we would need at least three of them.
There would be no practical method of determining which transactions originated from any particular nation, even if that were a desirable goal.
Of course we won't launch our own, dedicated rocket. That's totally out of the question. The goal here is to get a self sustaining computer orbiting, and preferably hashing!
I don't know why it would need to be hashing. A node with a full blockchain would be good though, with some method of communicating with it. An Amsat would work for that.
Here is a Tip Jar to make it happen. If we collect $1000, we can pledge that into the KickSat program (the one on the kickstarter). For that we could get the Sprite dev kit and program it. Or we could choose another way.
https://propster.me/tipjar/0c7p89m
https://propster.me/tipjar/0c7p89m
I read "geo stationary" somehwere. Wouldn't it be even better to orbit the planet so people in one censored state get their transactions processed at one hour while in other such funny states at other hours?
Also if this machine is meant for any real purpose other than just for the fun of it, I don't see room for hashing other than a symbolic FPGA from our biggest sponsor.
Also if this machine is meant for any real purpose other than just for the fun of it, I don't see room for hashing other than a symbolic FPGA from our biggest sponsor.
If you guys are serious about actually putting any kit in space, I'd suggest that you seriously consider teaming up with the hackspace groups.
http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Project:HackSat1
Theres also plans for a global grid of base stations for communications with the satellites.
http://shackspace.de/wiki/doku.php?id=project:hgg
http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Project:HackSat1
Theres also plans for a global grid of base stations for communications with the satellites.
http://shackspace.de/wiki/doku.php?id=project:hgg
With the recent launch of the first commercial space rocket via space x http://www.spacex.com/ I wonder at what point there will be a bitcoin node operating in a satellite so that it would bypass any government control from earth ?
Would it need a whole satellite or could it piggyback on an existing one ?
Would it need a whole satellite or could it piggyback on an existing one ?
Here's what I'm thinking. Rent space on an existing satellite or purchase the cheapest one possible. Call it a sovereign nation. Send and receive deeply encrypted messages back and forth to it (note, I don't state what these messages consist of, but I'm leaning toward Klingon Love Songs). If any governing body proves that bitcoins aren't being moved via said satellite, it would be like them stating that they're purposely intercepting our transmissions, and that's a no-no. Gave the satellite a name, and have people join this sovereign nation. The money aspect would already be in place.
~Bruno~
I would slice the satellite up into 1mm or cm squares and sell each square to the "residents" for bitcoins. People could then buy and sell their "real estate" in bitcoins. Each square entitles them to citizenship in the sovereign "nation" and have a "land tax".
Maybe you could create an isp in space that is not allied with any earthly government and residents get access to it.
Im sure the pirate bay would own one of those squares and could use a .bit domain on top for redundancy
Of course we won't launch our own, dedicated rocket. That's totally out of the question. The goal here is to get a self sustaining computer orbiting, and preferably hashing!
I have no idea what you guys have been smoking there altogether.
... hmm ... thinking of it ... yeah, maybe that could work. 11M$ for getting the satellite up? Cool, that's only 1/3 of the bitcoin market cap. I would be in with 1BTC, too
... hmm ... thinking of it ... yeah, maybe that could work. 11M$ for getting the satellite up? Cool, that's only 1/3 of the bitcoin market cap. I would be in with 1BTC, too
I've learnt more from researching things mentioned in this thread that I have all year at school. But that isn't saying much, sadly.
The cooling would require heat radiators and maybe even liquid cooling even with FPGA, but it is of course possible.
Its -270.3celsius in space, you would need to warm up the FPGA rather than cool it.
Wow, you're full of information aren't you? Most of it wrong. You just quoted an ambient temp for a nearly perfect vacuum, which is something that has no meaning. The surface temp of any object that does not produce it's own heat is a balance point of radiation received and radiation emitted. Outside of Earth's atmosphere and in direct sunlight, that surface temp is closer to 92 Degree Celsius. To get anywhere near the number you quoted an object would either have to be so far away from the Sun that it was barely larger a star than any other, or permanently in the shadow of a major object that did not emit infrared heat from it's dark side. The only reason that space could be considered 'cold' anywhere near Earth's own solar orbit, or anywhere on our side Mars, would be because the boiling point of water is below it's own freezing point, evaporating off your skin instantly and taking heat with it for as long as it lasts. That would be the least of your worries, though. And it has zero to do with how to regulate the temp of a space born mining rig.
We're in luck! A couple satellites just happen to be for sale: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_50.html
Unfortunately, they're for sale for a reason.
We're in luck! A couple satellites just happen to be for sale: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_50.html
With the recent launch of the first commercial space rocket via space x http://www.spacex.com/ I wonder at what point there will be a bitcoin node operating in a satellite so that it would bypass any government control from earth ?
Would it need a whole satellite or could it piggyback on an existing one ?
Would it need a whole satellite or could it piggyback on an existing one ?
Here's what I'm thinking. Rent space on an existing satellite or purchase the cheapest one possible. Call it a sovereign nation. Send and receive deeply encrypted messages back and forth to it (note, I don't state what these messages consist of, but I'm leaning toward Klingon Love Songs). If any governing body proves that bitcoins aren't being moved via said satellite, it would be like them stating that they're purposely intercepting our transmissions, and that's a no-no. Gave the satellite a name, and have people join this sovereign nation. The money aspect would already be in place.
~Bruno~
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