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hero member
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April 15, 2015, 07:27:22 AM
#50
Its as simple as that, whoever has the conviction to believe in honest money will eventually end up very wealthy.
its hard to hold through all the booms and busts, just ask anyone who bought at 1$ and sold at 10$.


It's also a game of knowing where you are today, and knowing what Bitcoin means on a broader spectrum. The problem is most people here are kids trying to speculate with the price and don't get what we are dealing with.
legendary
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April 15, 2015, 07:25:48 AM
#49
not a cult, not a cult, not a cult
It worked for Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.

wow!!!
and what are you doing here???

fired from microsoft & apple???

i think this could be a record!!

ehehehe
sorry!!!

I could not resist..

i'm joking here!!

 Grin Grin Grin Grin
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
April 15, 2015, 04:44:47 AM
#48
not a cult, not a cult, not a cult
It worked for Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.

cult of the federal reserve false gold works very well indeed, look how brainwashed resident pumpkin head is.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
April 15, 2015, 04:43:38 AM
#47
http://www.scribd.com/doc/60553686/GAO-Fed-Investigation#outer_page_144

Quote
Citigroup – $2.513 trillion
Morgan Stanley – $2.041 trillion
Merrill Lynch – $1.949 trillion
Bank of America – $1.344 trillion
Barclays PLC – $868 billion
Bear Sterns – $853 billion
Goldman Sachs – $814 billion
Royal Bank of Scotland – $541 billion
JP Morgan Chase – $391 billion
Deutsche Bank – $354 billion
UBS – $287 billion
Credit Suisse – $262 billion
Lehman Brothers – $183 billion
Bank of Scotland – $181 billion
BNP Paribas – $175 billion
Wells Fargo – $159 billion
Dexia – $159 billion
Wachovia – $142 billion
Dresdner Bank – $135 billion
Societe Generale – $124 billion
“All Other Borrowers” – $2.639 trillion


The "conductor" hard at work making the economy play for you ... um, well not so much you, but you get the picture, right? right?!

NB: a trillion is a thousand thousand millions, a billion is a thousand millions. For all those doctors, teachers, dentists, nurses, soldiers and fireman who believe they needed stability in their value systems, it's a lot of pumpkins.
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
April 15, 2015, 04:40:29 AM
#46
not a cult, not a cult, not a cult
It worked for Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 2349
Eadem mutata resurgo
April 15, 2015, 04:23:09 AM
#45

what are you talking about?
what does the fact that oil is sold in dollars has to do with the fact that the federal reserve prints money and distorts prices just so everything would be 2% more expensive?

money DOES NOT need to be stable, it NEEDS to reflect reality which means letting prices go both up and down according to supply and demand.
you want Janet Yellen to create a fantasy world for you where everything is stable but THATS NOT reality!

anyone who makes business plans based on this stability fantasy will eventually find out the whole economy was built on a house of cards.

You're just dumb as an ox, aren't you?

The fed doesn't distort or regulate the prices of consumer products, the free market creates prices in our everyday life.

The fed regulates that the availability of dollars would be in par with the availability of oil. Because oil is so important in the economy, it can set the overall tune of monetary value.
For the economy to be effective, different parts of it have to be in tune with one another. There has to be similar understanding of value, to give it numerical form and to put it into equations. The central bank is like a conductor in a choir to keep different instruments in harmony.

Anyway, you are a great example on why I despise the majority of bitcoiners. They are like the Bolsheviks were, eager for revolution but just too dumb to understand the causes and solutions for the current problems, so instead of helping the society, they created a whole set of new problems, that are even worse then before.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/

Quote
The media’s inscrutable brush-off of the Government Accounting Office’s recently released audit of the Federal Reserve has raised many questions about the Fed’s goings-on since the financial crisis began in 2008.

The audit of the Fed’s emergency lending programs was scarcely reported by mainstream media – albeit the results are undoubtedly newsworthy.  It is the first audit of the Fed in United States history since its beginnings in 1913.  The findings verify that over $16 trillion was allocated to corporations and banks internationally, purportedly for “financial assistance” during and after the 2008 fiscal crisis.

All that vitriol to deceptively misrepresent and deceive in the defense of a dying, corrupt sclerotic system. Do you have anything positive to leave behind for the world old man? Besides the delusions of stability and sweet and light in your centrally-planned utopia?
legendary
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April 15, 2015, 03:06:36 AM
#44
Its as simple as that, whoever has the conviction to believe in honest money will eventually end up very wealthy.
its hard to hold through all the booms and busts, just ask anyone who bought at 1$ and sold at 10$.



It's a game of trading and non-bias.

we are talking about bitcoin!!!

not about

bit coin tis real.. and we can all use it!!!
there is no need to wait for
no need to wait until it is developed

legendary
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Life, Love and Laughter...
April 14, 2015, 06:33:55 PM
#43
Its as simple as that, whoever has the conviction to believe in honest money will eventually end up very wealthy.
its hard to hold through all the booms and busts, just ask anyone who bought at 1$ and sold at 10$.



It's a game of trading and non-bias.
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
April 14, 2015, 06:03:28 PM
#42

what are you talking about?
what does the fact that oil is sold in dollars has to do with the fact that the federal reserve prints money and distorts prices just so everything would be 2% more expensive?

money DOES NOT need to be stable, it NEEDS to reflect reality which means letting prices go both up and down according to supply and demand.
you want Janet Yellen to create a fantasy world for you where everything is stable but THATS NOT reality!

anyone who makes business plans based on this stability fantasy will eventually find out the whole economy was built on a house of cards.

You're just dumb as an ox, aren't you?

The fed doesn't distort or regulate the prices of consumer products, the free market creates prices in our everyday life.

The fed regulates that the availability of dollars would be in par with the availability of oil. Because oil is so important in the economy, it can set the overall tune of monetary value.
For the economy to be effective, different parts of it have to be in tune with one another. There has to be similar understanding of value, to give it numerical form and to put it into equations. The central bank is like a conductor in a choir to keep different instruments in harmony.

In spite my several efforts to explain to you that monetary value stability is necessary for even the simplest of financial deals, you are still unable to understand it. You just can't comprehend on why would people want to know what their salaries are worth the next month. Or how much weight does your investment have in the next month. You are just too dumb and fanatical to absorb this information. All you have, are your bags of bitcoin and your distorted view of virtues, that has been heavily influenced by personal ignorance and greed. If you would have ran your own business just once in your life, then you would already understand the importance of a stable currency. You would understand how it would be hell to do business in an environment, that has a currency with highly unstable value. I bet that you even only heard about the existence of FED after you saw couple of conspiracy videos from youtube.
Anyway, you are a great example on why I despise the majority of bitcoiners. They are like the Bolsheviks were, eager for revolution but just too dumb to understand the causes and solutions for the current problems, so instead of helping the society, they created a whole set of new problems, that are even worse then before.

alright then, enjoy watching the economy collapse (for the 3rd time in 15-16 years).
how much more misery will you have to take until you realize your theory of stability engineering (also known as ignoring reality and real supply and demand) is causing you to starve?

There's not much reasoning a person who believes we are currently living in a world where free market operates.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
April 14, 2015, 05:42:30 PM
#41

what are you talking about?
what does the fact that oil is sold in dollars has to do with the fact that the federal reserve prints money and distorts prices just so everything would be 2% more expensive?

money DOES NOT need to be stable, it NEEDS to reflect reality which means letting prices go both up and down according to supply and demand.
you want Janet Yellen to create a fantasy world for you where everything is stable but THATS NOT reality!

anyone who makes business plans based on this stability fantasy will eventually find out the whole economy was built on a house of cards.

You're just dumb as an ox, aren't you?

The fed doesn't distort or regulate the prices of consumer products, the free market creates prices in our everyday life.

The fed regulates that the availability of dollars would be in par with the availability of oil. Because oil is so important in the economy, it can set the overall tune of monetary value.
For the economy to be effective, different parts of it have to be in tune with one another. There has to be similar understanding of value, to give it numerical form and to put it into equations. The central bank is like a conductor in a choir to keep different instruments in harmony.

In spite my several efforts to explain to you that monetary value stability is necessary for even the simplest of financial deals, you are still unable to understand it. You just can't comprehend on why would people want to know what their salaries are worth the next month. Or how much weight does your investment have in the next month. You are just too dumb and fanatical to absorb this information. All you have, are your bags of bitcoin and your distorted view of virtues, that has been heavily influenced by personal ignorance and greed. If you would have ran your own business just once in your life, then you would already understand the importance of a stable currency. You would understand how it would be hell to do business in an environment, that has a currency with highly unstable value. I bet that you even only heard about the existence of FED after you saw couple of conspiracy videos from youtube.
Anyway, you are a great example on why I despise the majority of bitcoiners. They are like the Bolsheviks were, eager for revolution but just too dumb to understand the causes and solutions for the current problems, so instead of helping the society, they created a whole set of new problems, that are even worse then before.

alright then, enjoy watching the economy collapse (for the 3rd time in 15-16 years).
how much more misery will you have to take until you realize your theory of stability engineering (also known as ignoring reality and real supply and demand) is causing you to starve?
hero member
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April 07, 2015, 12:57:53 PM
#40
It might be a game of conviction to us as current users but I think it's overall a game of confidence to everyone else. The general public needs to have some faith and confidence in it otherwise they'll be very reluctant to adopt it or it'll take a very long time for them to come round to it. They need a reason to use it and at the moment they can't really see it and just buy into the negative portrayal in the media.

I think the terms 'conviction' and 'confidence' can be used interchangeably what investing in Bitcoin is concerned. I mean, they even sound very much alike! Funny, isn't it? Cheesy
legendary
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April 07, 2015, 12:52:32 PM
#39

what are you talking about?
what does the fact that oil is sold in dollars has to do with the fact that the federal reserve prints money and distorts prices just so everything would be 2% more expensive?

money DOES NOT need to be stable, it NEEDS to reflect reality which means letting prices go both up and down according to supply and demand.
you want Janet Yellen to create a fantasy world for you where everything is stable but THATS NOT reality!

anyone who makes business plans based on this stability fantasy will eventually find out the whole economy was built on a house of cards.

You're just dumb as an ox, aren't you?

The fed doesn't distort or regulate the prices of consumer products, the free market creates prices in our everyday life.

The fed regulates that the availability of dollars would be in par with the availability of oil. Because oil is so important in the economy, it can set the overall tune of monetary value.
For the economy to be effective, different parts of it have to be in tune with one another. There has to be similar understanding of value, to give it numerical form and to put it into equations. The central bank is like a conductor in a choir to keep different instruments in harmony.

In spite my several efforts to explain to you that monetary value stability is necessary for even the simplest of financial deals, you are still unable to understand it. You just can't comprehend on why would people want to know what their salaries are worth the next month. Or how much weight does your investment have in the next month. You are just too dumb and fanatical to absorb this information. All you have, are your bags of bitcoin and your distorted view of virtues, that has been heavily influenced by personal ignorance and greed. If you would have ran your own business just once in your life, then you would already understand the importance of a stable currency. You would understand how it would be hell to do business in an environment, that has a currency with highly unstable value. I bet that you even only heard about the existence of FED after you saw couple of conspiracy videos from youtube.
Anyway, you are a great example on why I despise the majority of bitcoiners. They are like the Bolsheviks were, eager for revolution but just too dumb to understand the causes and solutions for the current problems, so instead of helping the society, they created a whole set of new problems, that are even worse then before.
member
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April 07, 2015, 12:08:02 PM
#38
It might be a game of conviction to us as current users but I think it's overall a game of confidence to everyone else. The general public needs to have some faith and confidence in it otherwise they'll be very reluctant to adopt it or it'll take a very long time for them to come round to it. They need a reason to use it and at the moment they can't really see it and just buy into the negative portrayal in the media.
newbie
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April 07, 2015, 11:55:31 AM
#37
As long as he does, our beautiful illusion is maintained.
Thanks for doing your part, grocer! Smiley

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sr. member
Activity: 448
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April 07, 2015, 11:52:44 AM
#36
what you don't know is that you're grocer doesn't buy milk at the same price every day, he just buffers most of the volatility away from you and sells you at the average price.

once in a while he does adjust prices.

http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/milk.aspx
newbie
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April 07, 2015, 11:28:32 AM
#35
... a fantasy world for you where everything is stable but THATS NOT reality!

anyone who makes business plans based on this stability fantasy will eventually find out the whole economy was built on a house of cards.

My grocer thinks the price of milk doesn't change from day to day, and so do I.  Since the two of us share the same crazy delusion, I know how much my milk's gonna cost me tomorrow.
See how nice everything works out, Robert Paulson?
Smiley
sr. member
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April 07, 2015, 11:10:42 AM
#34
linking prices to main natural resources? that does not happen.

the reality is that the central banks calculate something called the CPI and it consists of a bunch of consumer products.
the central banks then manipulate the money supply so that no matter what the supply and demand are prices will go up about 2% a year.

im not even gonna go into how the central banks print money to save failed companies and how as a side effect that distorts the prices of everything.

the world was built on a gold standard without this "stability", its only in the last 40 years that money became paper.

the "speculators" don't have any power, what your talking about is a bunch of cronies who are in bed with the government, that's just one more reason why bitcoin is so good as money, the government can't bailout the cronies if it can't print money.

there is no such thing as a "professional gambler" and there is no such thing as a "stock market shark".
both are just gambling blindly.


It has already happened, junior. Oil gives dollar value. Since the 1971 or 1973.., a deal was struck with OPEC nations, that they would exclusively sell oil in dollars. As long there is a steady supply and demand for oil, then the dollar value can also be kept stable.

Calculated and predictable inflation shows stability. If I know how much my money is worth less in a year or two, then I can make an conscious choice; whether to be lazy and just sit on my money while it's value shrinks, or keep busy and invest my money into new progressive opportunities. I think that this reasoning is fair in a capitalistic way - reward those more, who do more.
I would even settle with stable deflation. I would say screw it, let's reward the lazy lards and increase the value of their "matress money" 2% each year. Let's reward those bastards for just being lazy and stupid enough for not investing their money into something.
But what I would not settle with, is that there is no stability whatsoever with bitcoin the currency. The next year could be +99% or it could be -99%. I think that this world would only suit for people with more serious intellectual disabilities. The world of bitcoin would be for people who would want to see their entire income as a constant form of blind gambling.

"The good old times of the gold standard" is basically a popular internet myth, that is mostly represented by those, whose only experience with finance has been through youtube conspiracy videos.
What has basically happened, is that gold has switched to oil. And it's a good thing since oil has more practical application and that means more predictability in demand. Practical need of the demographics can be easily predicted, but it's very hard to predict a value for something, that has very little practical application and most of it's market is ran by pure speculation.

If something is valued more then 50% on pure speculation, then trading that asset is already gambling in my book. Gambling can be fun when using funds that are meant to be used as entertainment, and there are people who know how to manipulate the odds and rules just enough to earn a steady income with gambling. But there's exactly where bitcoin should stay, at the Entertainment->Gambling section. It would be cruel to force everyone else to gamble with bitcoin, so they would constantly have to worry if their salary is worth less again, because the inflow of new greater fools slowed down.

I don't think that the main problems of our world is caused by malevolence. I think that the culprit here is mainly stupidity.
Take bitcoiners for example. They feel that the current financial system isn't perfect enough and something needs to be done to better it. Sadly, because they lack the education or experience needed to understand modern finance, they shout stupid slogans like replace fiat with bitcoin.
For those with at least little knowledge in finance, it sounds like "Hey this Volkswagen Polo R WRC isn't a perfect racer yet, so let's replace it with a shopping cart that has new innovative steel compounds in it's structure!". Yeah, it's nice to have an innovative gambling platform called bitcoin, but for serious finance, it just lacks the needed qualities to be a serious currency.

what are you talking about?
what does the fact that oil is sold in dollars has to do with the fact that the federal reserve prints money and distorts prices just so everything would be 2% more expensive?

money DOES NOT need to be stable, it NEEDS to reflect reality which means letting prices go both up and down according to supply and demand.
you want Janet Yellen to create a fantasy world for you where everything is stable but THATS NOT reality!

anyone who makes business plans based on this stability fantasy will eventually find out the whole economy was built on a house of cards.
hero member
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April 07, 2015, 10:53:36 AM
#33
I think it still goes back to what you believe. If the person sees there's a future in bitcoin, he will hold on to it no matter what. For those who bought at $1 and sold at $10, what they believe in might not be as strong as those who continue to hold on to it until today.

It's about finding the "sweet spot" between being delusional in an obvious long-term bear market, and listening to bears/shorters trying to push the price down and trolls spreading a lot of FUD...
legendary
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April 07, 2015, 10:49:06 AM
#32
linking prices to main natural resources? that does not happen.

the reality is that the central banks calculate something called the CPI and it consists of a bunch of consumer products.
the central banks then manipulate the money supply so that no matter what the supply and demand are prices will go up about 2% a year.

im not even gonna go into how the central banks print money to save failed companies and how as a side effect that distorts the prices of everything.

the world was built on a gold standard without this "stability", its only in the last 40 years that money became paper.

the "speculators" don't have any power, what your talking about is a bunch of cronies who are in bed with the government, that's just one more reason why bitcoin is so good as money, the government can't bailout the cronies if it can't print money.

there is no such thing as a "professional gambler" and there is no such thing as a "stock market shark".
both are just gambling blindly.


It has already happened, junior. Oil gives dollar value. Since the 1971 or 1973.., a deal was struck with OPEC nations, that they would exclusively sell oil in dollars. As long there is a steady supply and demand for oil, then the dollar value can also be kept stable.

Calculated and predictable inflation shows stability. If I know how much my money is worth less in a year or two, then I can make an conscious choice; whether to be lazy and just sit on my money while it's value shrinks, or keep busy and invest my money into new progressive opportunities. I think that this reasoning is fair in a capitalistic way - reward those more, who do more.
I would even settle with stable deflation. I would say screw it, let's reward the lazy lards and increase the value of their "matress money" 2% each year. Let's reward those bastards for just being lazy and stupid enough for not investing their money into something.
But what I would not settle with, is that there is no stability whatsoever with bitcoin the currency. The next year could be +99% or it could be -99%. I think that this world would only suit for people with more serious intellectual disabilities. The world of bitcoin would be for people who would want to see their entire income as a constant form of blind gambling.

"The good old times of the gold standard" is basically a popular internet myth, that is mostly represented by those, whose only experience with finance has been through youtube conspiracy videos.
What has basically happened, is that gold has switched to oil. And it's a good thing since oil has more practical application and that means more predictability in demand. Practical need of the demographics can be easily predicted, but it's very hard to predict a value for something, that has very little practical application and most of it's market is ran by pure speculation.

If something is valued more then 50% on pure speculation, then trading that asset is already gambling in my book. Gambling can be fun when using funds that are meant to be used as entertainment, and there are people who know how to manipulate the odds and rules just enough to earn a steady income with gambling. But there's exactly where bitcoin should stay, at the Entertainment->Gambling section. It would be cruel to force everyone else to gamble with bitcoin, so they would constantly have to worry if their salary is worth less again, because the inflow of new greater fools slowed down.

I don't think that the main problems of our world is caused by malevolence. I think that the culprit here is mainly stupidity.
Take bitcoiners for example. They feel that the current financial system isn't perfect enough and something needs to be done to better it. Sadly, because they lack the education or experience needed to understand modern finance, they shout stupid slogans like replace fiat with bitcoin.
For those with at least little knowledge in finance, it sounds like "Hey this Volkswagen Polo R WRC isn't a perfect racer yet, so let's replace it with a shopping cart that has new innovative steel compounds in it's structure!". Yeah, it's nice to have an innovative gambling platform called bitcoin, but for serious finance, it just lacks the needed qualities to be a serious currency.

The Banksters have already agreed that SDR be adopted as the global currency through the auspices of the IMF. SDR have existed since the late sixties. It was within the past 4-5 years that the IMF has openly started talking about SDR becoming the Global Currency. The same people that control the Petrodollar also control the IMF. The SDR will make the USA openly subservient to them becoming the reserve currency and make it impossible for the USA to print money into oblivion like they do now. In other words put them on par with the rest of the world. It is nothing more than a showcase transfer of power to put Americans into austerity mode so these evil fucks can grab more physical assets, gutting the USA.
legendary
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April 07, 2015, 09:46:59 AM
#31
linking prices to main natural resources? that does not happen.

the reality is that the central banks calculate something called the CPI and it consists of a bunch of consumer products.
the central banks then manipulate the money supply so that no matter what the supply and demand are prices will go up about 2% a year.

im not even gonna go into how the central banks print money to save failed companies and how as a side effect that distorts the prices of everything.

the world was built on a gold standard without this "stability", its only in the last 40 years that money became paper.

the "speculators" don't have any power, what your talking about is a bunch of cronies who are in bed with the government, that's just one more reason why bitcoin is so good as money, the government can't bailout the cronies if it can't print money.

there is no such thing as a "professional gambler" and there is no such thing as a "stock market shark".
both are just gambling blindly.


It has already happened, junior. Oil gives dollar value. Since the 1971 or 1973.., a deal was struck with OPEC nations, that they would exclusively sell oil in dollars. As long there is a steady supply and demand for oil, then the dollar value can also be kept stable.

Calculated and predictable inflation shows stability. If I know how much my money is worth less in a year or two, then I can make an conscious choice; whether to be lazy and just sit on my money while it's value shrinks, or keep busy and invest my money into new progressive opportunities. I think that this reasoning is fair in a capitalistic way - reward those more, who do more.
I would even settle with stable deflation. I would say screw it, let's reward the lazy lards and increase the value of their "matress money" 2% each year. Let's reward those bastards for just being lazy and stupid enough for not investing their money into something.
But what I would not settle with, is that there is no stability whatsoever with bitcoin the currency. The next year could be +99% or it could be -99%. I think that this world would only suit for people with more serious intellectual disabilities. The world of bitcoin would be for people who would want to see their entire income as a constant form of blind gambling.

"The good old times of the gold standard" is basically a popular internet myth, that is mostly represented by those, whose only experience with finance has been through youtube conspiracy videos.
What has basically happened, is that gold has switched to oil. And it's a good thing since oil has more practical application and that means more predictability in demand. Practical need of the demographics can be easily predicted, but it's very hard to predict a value for something, that has very little practical application and most of it's market is ran by pure speculation.

If something is valued more then 50% on pure speculation, then trading that asset is already gambling in my book. Gambling can be fun when using funds that are meant to be used as entertainment, and there are people who know how to manipulate the odds and rules just enough to earn a steady income with gambling. But there's exactly where bitcoin should stay, at the Entertainment->Gambling section. It would be cruel to force everyone else to gamble with bitcoin, so they would constantly have to worry if their salary is worth less again, because the inflow of new greater fools slowed down.

I don't think that the main problems of our world is caused by malevolence. I think that the culprit here is mainly stupidity.
Take bitcoiners for example. They feel that the current financial system isn't perfect enough and something needs to be done to better it. Sadly, because they lack the education or experience needed to understand modern finance, they shout stupid slogans like replace fiat with bitcoin.
For those with at least little knowledge in finance, it sounds like "Hey this Volkswagen Polo R WRC isn't a perfect racer yet, so let's replace it with a shopping cart that has new innovative steel compounds in it's structure!". Yeah, it's nice to have an innovative gambling platform called bitcoin, but for serious finance, it just lacks the needed qualities to be a serious currency.
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