Pages:
Author

Topic: Bitcoin IS basically DESTROYED - page 7. (Read 47260 times)

sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
January 06, 2017, 12:24:21 AM
How so? Antminer is a Chinese mining pool that everyone from around the world uses. By your same logic everyone that uses electronics in America is actually Chinese because that's where they're made.
With Ghash, Miners left to stop them from keeping 51%.

The Chinese Mining Pools has not seen a 20% reduction (It has been over a year) , so like I said the community is flaccid in their response.

I don't understand what you're saying. What does "The Chinese Mining Pools has not seen a 20% reduction" mean? You just said yourself miners left to stop ghash from obtaining 51%, so what exactly has the community given a flaccid response to over the past year?

The Community responded by the miners pointing to other pools making sure Ghash no longer had 51%.

IF 20% of the miners pointing to the combined Strength of the Chinese mining pools, point to a Non Chinese Pool,
IE. 67%-20% = 47%  (Less than 51%)
The Chinese Mining Pools would no longer control BTC and you would have a Decentralized coin instead of this Centralized mess it has been for a year.
For over a year the other Miners have done nothing in response,
which means they don't have the numbers to pull 20% and the Chinese actually do have 67% of the mining capacity.

The Community lack of response has been deafening, to those waiting to see one. (And a response never came.)
Over a year , the rest of the world is too weak to stop the Chinese Mining Pools.
BTC is theirs, the community has failed to keep it decentralized, now it is no different than the Yuan.
They will determine its future design and no one else can stop them.

If they ever have a squabble with your country, don't be surprised when they block all transactions from anyone that disagrees with any of China's Policies.
Over 51% gives them that power, don't be surprised when they use it.
Art of War is to defeat an enemy without conflict, controlling their money supply can cripple any country.

196 countries in the world and only 1 controls BTC.  Tongue

 Cool

If the Chinese have 67% of the mining capacity why have they not acted on it, and why has no one else acted on it? Maybe because they don't? Hmmmm.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
January 06, 2017, 12:18:12 AM
How so? Antminer is a Chinese mining pool that everyone from around the world uses. By your same logic everyone that uses electronics in America is actually Chinese because that's where they're made.
With Ghash, Miners left to stop them from keeping 51%.

The Chinese Mining Pools has not seen a 20% reduction (It has been over a year) , so like I said the community is flaccid in their response.

I don't understand what you're saying. What does "The Chinese Mining Pools has not seen a 20% reduction" mean? You just said yourself miners left to stop ghash from obtaining 51%, so what exactly has the community given a flaccid response to over the past year?

The Community responded by the miners pointing to other pools making sure Ghash no longer had 51%.

IF 20% of the miners pointing to the combined Strength of the Chinese mining pools, point to a Non Chinese Pool,
IE. 67%-20% = 47%  (Less than 51%)
The Chinese Mining Pools would no longer control BTC and you would have a Decentralized coin instead of this Centralized mess it has been for a year.
For over a year the other Miners have done nothing in response,
which means they don't have the numbers to pull 20% and the Chinese actually do have 67% of the mining capacity.

The Community lack of response has been deafening, to those waiting to see one. (And a response never came.)
Over a year , the rest of the world is too weak to stop the Chinese Mining Pools.
BTC is theirs, the community has failed to keep it decentralized, now it is no different than the Yuan.
They will determine its future design and no one else can stop them.

If they ever have a squabble with your country, don't be surprised when they block all transactions from anyone that disagrees with any of China's Policies.
Over 51% gives them that power, don't be surprised when they use it.
Art of War is to defeat an enemy without conflict, controlling their money supply can cripple any country.

196 countries in the world and only 1 controls BTC.  Tongue

 Cool
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
January 05, 2017, 11:52:03 PM
How so? Antminer is a Chinese mining pool that everyone from around the world uses. By your same logic everyone that uses electronics in America is actually Chinese because that's where they're made.
With Ghash, Miners left to stop them from keeping 51%.

The Chinese Mining Pools has not seen a 20% reduction (It has been over a year) , so like I said the community is flaccid in their response.

I don't understand what you're saying. What does "The Chinese Mining Pools has not seen a 20% reduction" mean? You just said yourself miners left to stop ghash from obtaining 51%, so what exactly has the community given a flaccid response to over the past year?

Besides, the 51% attack isn't as big a threat as everyone makes out to be. Troubling? Sure. A serious threat? Not as much. 
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
January 05, 2017, 11:48:05 PM
How so? Antminer is a Chinese mining pool that everyone from around the world uses. By your same logic everyone that uses electronics in America is actually Chinese because that's where they're made.

With Ghash, Miners left to stop them from keeping 51%.

The Chinese Mining Pools has not seen a 20% reduction (It has been over a year) , so like I said the community is flaccid in their response.

Your attempt at logic to discredit actual reality , is quite weak and flawed.  Tongue

If you are pointing your mining equipment to a Chinese mining pool and helping it to maintain control of BTC, you are just stupid unless you are Chinese and you want the Chinese Mining Pools to Control BTC. (Which they do.)


 Cool
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
January 05, 2017, 11:38:38 PM
Just because Chinese pools have a majority of the hashing power does not mean that Chinese miners have a majority of the hashing power. Any miner, inside china or out, could point their hashing power to any pool. You should be smart enough to know that.

LOL,   Cheesy
That is exactly what it means, what medication are you on , that you can't see that.
It has been over a year , all of the Chinese miners are staying with the Chinese Mining Pools, guess they don't care about what you or the community thinks.


How so? Antminer is a Chinese mining pool that everyone from around the world uses. By your same logic everyone that uses electronics in America is actually Chinese because that's where they're made.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
January 05, 2017, 11:30:34 PM
Just because Chinese pools have a majority of the hashing power does not mean that Chinese miners have a majority of the hashing power. Any miner, inside china or out, could point their hashing power to any pool. You should be smart enough to know that.

LOL,   Cheesy
That is exactly what it means, what medication are you on , that you can't see that.
It has been over a year , all of the Chinese miners are staying with the Chinese Mining Pools, guess they don't care about what you or the community thinks.


Besides, what is this "Chinese Miners won, you posers lost"? Bitcoin is one community trying to make a difference in the world. A community that from the sounds if it you should be exiled from.

Chinese Miners control BTC , all of the rest of you have no say, like how they totally are blocking segwit.
Hey , if you got the gavel exile me from BTC, it makes no never mind to me, I betting on a different Crypto horse not controlled by China.  Wink
The Delusion that they are not in control is just going to be worse for you , when they tell you to call them Daddy
.  
Cheesy

 Cool

FYI:
http://www.coindesk.com/china-miners-big-blocks/

Quote
It was not entirely an idle joke when one speaker at China's first miner conference quipped that
if the audience decided to launch a 51% attack against the bitcoin network, they would probably be able to pull it off.

Quote
Huang's most notable comments addressed the issue of scaling, or how the bitcoin blockchain might be upgraded for more transactions.

Rather than focus on incremental solutions (like Segregated Witness, introduced in the latest bitcoin software update),
he took an opposite approach. His talk saw him arguing for the aggressive on-chain scaling tactics that have earned a notable minority of enthusiasts.

When Huang took up the subject, he suggested miners "pretty much determine" how the bitcoin network will scale.

* By Miners, he meant the Chinese Miners.
 Wink


 Cool

FYI:
No probably about it with ~67% hash rate combined they can 51% attack it without breaking a sweat.
If you think the Chinese are dumb enough to have over 51% hash show up on 1 mining pool,
Please realize they are Smarter than that, by keeping their massive control of BTC separated by a Pie Chart,
all of the BTC Shrills will argue they don't have 51% , which is BS, because combined they do.
BTC or Chinese Yuan, same thing China controls both.
All of you that are blind to this, should read the art of war, it is their playbook for War & Business.

http://www.chinabusinessleadership.com/2013/09/05/is-using-the-art-of-war-for-doing-business-in-china-a-good-concept/
Quote
Small Business principles from a war manual is really what China is like.
In 1996, all businessmen in China were studying Sun Tzu‘s  Art of War to learn business and seasoned local Chinese businessmen  today are 10 times more familiar with this than Ken Blanchard.

sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
January 05, 2017, 11:07:57 PM
Doesn't matter, the second they get close the community would protect bitcoin, just like we did last time.

BTC = Bitcoin.  

It has been over a year, the community has done nothing. (FYI : There is nothing you can do!)  Tongue
Chinese Miners won, you posers lost.

BTC = Better Trust China

 Cool

Just because Chinese pools have a majority of the hashing power does not mean that Chinese miners have a majority of the hashing power. Any miner, inside china or out, could point their hashing power to any pool. You should be smart enough to know that.

Besides, what is this "Chinese Miners won, you posers lost"? Bitcoin is one community trying to make a difference in the world. A community that from the sounds if it you should be exiled from.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
January 05, 2017, 11:07:02 PM
Doesn't matter, the second they get close the community would protect bitcoin, just like we did last time.

BTC = Bitcoin.  

It has been over a year, the community has done nothing. (FYI : There is nothing you can do!)  Tongue
Chinese Miners won, you posers lost.

BTC = Better Trust China

 Cool
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
January 05, 2017, 11:01:09 PM
It is funny how everyone freaked out when Ghash had over 51%,

Now that the Chinese Mining Pools have ~67 % , none of you are worried in the least.  Cheesy

Chinese are smarter than you bunch of yahoos, as they would never be stupid enough to place over 51% on 1 Pool.

But they will let you Genius think , that little pie chart makes BTC safe.  Wink

Fact 51% means they can block any transaction, meaning they can make sure you can't send your BTC anywhere to pay anyone.  Tongue

BTC= Better Trust China

 Cool

Doesn't matter, the second they get close the community would protect bitcoin, just like we did last time.

BTC = Bitcoin. 
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
January 05, 2017, 08:59:25 PM
It is funny how everyone freaked out when Ghash had over 51%,

Now that the Chinese Mining Pools have ~67 % , none of you are worried in the least.  Cheesy

Chinese are smarter than you bunch of yahoos, as they would never be stupid enough to place over 51% on 1 Pool.

But they will let you Genius think , that little pie chart makes BTC safe.  Wink

Fact 51% means they can block any transaction, meaning they can make sure you can't send your BTC anywhere to pay anyone.  Tongue

BTC= Better Trust China

 Cool
hero member
Activity: 896
Merit: 514
January 05, 2017, 04:56:25 PM
I really think that bitcoin is not being destroyed but instead it is growing a lot the fact that china is racing to get her hands on it shows how much it is worth it and the potential of bitcoin,and since we are on the verge of global crysis and the dollar about to lose its worth i think that the bitcoin is gona be the solution and everyone is gona start using it
The current market status is enough already to tell that bitcoin was not or is not destroyed, people are telling lies without basis but for us bitcoin supporters we know what we believe and we believe that bitcoin is the future.

The price of the bitcoin is still rising. But it could be faster or more valuable when more people use it for daily transactions.
bitcoin price really still rising too much faster and you are right that bitcoin more increasing its value too much faster and more people adopting bitcoin in high amount so we know bitcoin will be never destroyed.
legendary
Activity: 3948
Merit: 3191
Leave no FUD unchallenged
January 05, 2017, 02:10:54 PM
It's rare that I have to take a thread off of my watchlist because it's so annoying, but this one certainly qualifies.  Why the hell does it keep getting bumped?  No individual has 51% of the hashrate and there's no evidence of collusion.  Bitcoin is borderless, so stop all this mindless drivel about how people within a certain arbitrary set of borders are somehow basically the fucking Borg, have no free will of their own and take commands directly from a hive queen.  It's asinine.  They're just ordinary people.  Are you colluding with people from your own country?  No.  Then why do you naturally assume they are?

Plus, even if all that nonsense did end up turning out to be true (hint: it won't), there's still the alignment of incentives to consider.  A 51% attack has never been as dangerous as some people like to pretend it is.  The potential gains that could in theory be gained by a successful attack are offset significantly by a multitude of consequences.

So to summarise:

  • Bitcoin is not destroyed, basically or otherwise
  • If you think Chinese people are akin to the Borg, you're probably a bit prejudiced and need to develop as a human being
  • No individual or country has control and there is no evidence of collusion
  • Even if they did have control of the network, a 51% attack isn't an attractive proposition when you consider the resulting fallout
  • Let this almighty turd of a thread die already


*unwatch*
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
January 05, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
Guys, dont talk facts if everyone is just speculating.
Everyone who did a bit more reading beyond this forum knew that a small sommunity was holding a large amount of BTC.

What is to be expected?? they buy up and they all cash out... why...?!?!
because half a day later the market dropped so deep, everyone is selling out ... so they can buy 10% more BTC with the exact same cash.


What can you do for yourself? keep calm!! yes this is a set back worth a week... but panic and swapping currencies is foolish.
This moring when i saw the first big drop i (and lots with me in my cirquit) all swapped to ETH

why, because its a smaller coin with a good long term potential. (agree with me on that or not, debating it is beyond my point here)

Buying in to smaller coins (1 BTC buys 100 ETH) means you have a larger marnin over this. If enough people do this. you minimize the damage on that particular coin.
BTC will drop more maybe, but later on, you can see BTC is getting stable again and you can buy in then.

If you think that makes kinda sense, or at least more sence then most of the panic footbal here. just swap to ETH (or any other smaller altcoin) but the more people in the same coin makes the biggest difference.

remember you up against people that buy and sell thousands of bitcoins at once to influence the market.
try to go with the flow and not forget to swim...

P.S. i dont have a propaganda or promote any altcoin, ETH is just my personal opinion at this moment in time. so dont debate me on this as im not much of a forum poster...
(I live in the shadows ;-))
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 508
January 05, 2017, 01:52:28 PM
I can't say how often I have read that Bitcoin is dead, but it's still around!
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
January 05, 2017, 01:50:37 PM
Why would they do anything detrimental to Bitcoin? It would hurt them more than anyone financially.
Because they as a society, are greedy. Being blinded by this fact, they do not see this as a mindless act that will backfire on them.
Satoshi thought of this in his creation of bitcoin. Keeping it decentralized was his plan all along people tend to forget this.
The creation of satoshi was awesome because until now we are still using it. Before I came in the crypto world, I was thinking of a way to invest but ever since I am already a fan or unique ideas and it's just timely I was able to find bitcoin and until now I am enjoying my stay here.

I think I will be here for long, as bitcoin is very successful now, I cannot let this opportunity to just slip away in my life.
The future of Bitcoin is very bright since many people have recognized its benefits and advantages. Satoshi is the genius and thanks to his design, we have found many new things about the computer, as well as the algorithm.
yes there is no doubt about that the future of bitcoin is really bright, because poeple are adopting bitcoin both as investment as well as currency and that is the reason that the price of bitcoin is contentiously increasing.
full member
Activity: 211
Merit: 100
January 05, 2017, 08:26:59 AM
Please read more before making a silly thread!
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1027
January 05, 2017, 05:49:21 AM
Bitcoin was the first of its kind. It is a fairly recent technology and we will still see a lot of transformations to it.
Regarding mining, even if 70% of the mining is being carried out in China that doesn't mean that they totally control it. There are a lot of mining companies own China and all of them are competing with one another. If they were trying to reach a 51% attack that would be a bad play that would only compromise the validity and value of the coin
full member
Activity: 518
Merit: 106
January 05, 2017, 03:46:59 AM
Why would they do anything detrimental to Bitcoin? It would hurt them more than anyone financially.
Because they as a society, are greedy. Being blinded by this fact, they do not see this as a mindless act that will backfire on them.
Satoshi thought of this in his creation of bitcoin. Keeping it decentralized was his plan all along people tend to forget this.
The creation of satoshi was awesome because until now we are still using it. Before I came in the crypto world, I was thinking of a way to invest but ever since I am already a fan or unique ideas and it's just timely I was able to find bitcoin and until now I am enjoying my stay here.

I think I will be here for long, as bitcoin is very successful now, I cannot let this opportunity to just slip away in my life.

I have similar experience.
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1100
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
January 02, 2017, 11:25:07 AM
Why would they do anything detrimental to Bitcoin? It would hurt them more than anyone financially.
Because they as a society, are greedy. Being blinded by this fact, they do not see this as a mindless act that will backfire on them.
Satoshi thought of this in his creation of bitcoin. Keeping it decentralized was his plan all along people tend to forget this.
The creation of satoshi was awesome because until now we are still using it. Before I came in the crypto world, I was thinking of a way to invest but ever since I am already a fan or unique ideas and it's just timely I was able to find bitcoin and until now I am enjoying my stay here.

I think I will be here for long, as bitcoin is very successful now, I cannot let this opportunity to just slip away in my life.
The future of Bitcoin is very bright since many people have recognized its benefits and advantages. Satoshi is the genius and thanks to his design, we have found many new things about the computer, as well as the algorithm.
legendary
Activity: 3108
Merit: 1290
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
January 01, 2017, 11:35:19 PM
Why would they do anything detrimental to Bitcoin? It would hurt them more than anyone financially.
Because they as a society, are greedy. Being blinded by this fact, they do not see this as a mindless act that will backfire on them.
Satoshi thought of this in his creation of bitcoin. Keeping it decentralized was his plan all along people tend to forget this.
The creation of satoshi was awesome because until now we are still using it. Before I came in the crypto world, I was thinking of a way to invest but ever since I am already a fan or unique ideas and it's just timely I was able to find bitcoin and until now I am enjoying my stay here.

I think I will be here for long, as bitcoin is very successful now, I cannot let this opportunity to just slip away in my life.
Pages:
Jump to: