Topic: Bitcoin is Centralized! (Read 1649 times)

its just that at some point in time (for the reasons that i have not yet figured out) people forgot that a change no matter how small and no matter if it is called soft, hard, warm, ... should reach a consensus!

we were on a very good track not so long ago. if you read the SegWit proposal it is well though, well planned, it needs >95% support from miners then it needs node activation and then lock in and all that.

and so far all the changes have been happening like this. with a set % support, then nodes activation and lock in and ....

but this was ignored and forgotten at some point.

however this has nothing to do with "decentralization" bitcoin is still decentralized. it is just filled with people who forgot to educate themselves and came in only to make profit.

No, this is the wrong thing, I think everything is clear that bitcoin is decentralized, because until now no one can controlling the price of bitcoin. And I'm sure the price is natural due to demand and stock.

Yes, I do not believe it is decentralized. Bitcoin's anarchist days are long gone.
I used to believe that Bitcoin was the gold of the modern age. That is to say, gold is seen today as a means of storing wealth, not as a means of shopping together with the invention of money; Both by people and by central banks.
In modern times, I thought that bitcoin, a digital value based on hash power, could be seen as a means of storing wealth.

But,
A thought: the gold is a certain element in the periodic table. Throughout the ages, people have tried to make gold with alchemy, though technology has not progressed so far. The only way to get gold is mining.

Bitcoin is not. As a result, it continues to be developed by a software and core team. So after they come out, they can say that bitcoin is changed from now on. Hard fork, soft fork, segwit 1,2,3,4,5 can do everything. The bitcoin in your hand can also be split into 10 forks. Contrary to gold, they can give bitcoin any shape as they wish. Powerful states and corporations, rich people, deep powers, who can control and manipulate the world by affecting the world as if they are asking the developers of the bitch.

Bitcoin core is not in one place, but I seem to hear you say it is scattered. After all, who is more likely to have the power of mining and bitcoin if he can not afford it?

Is Bitcoin a decentralized system? On the contrary, it is necessary to think about what will evolve as a central system in which your wealth is governed.

So as you claim that bitcoin is centralized then the transactions are not anonymous anymore?

its just that at some point in time (for the reasons that i have not yet figured out) people forgot that a change no matter how small and no matter if it is called soft, hard, warm, ... should reach a consensus!

we were on a very good track not so long ago. if you read the SegWit proposal it is well though, well planned, it needs >95% support from miners then it needs node activation and then lock in and all that.

and so far all the changes have been happening like this. with a set % support, then nodes activation and lock in and ....

but this was ignored and forgotten at some point.

however this has nothing to do with "decentralization" bitcoin is still decentralized. it is just filled with people who forgot to educate themselves and came in only to make profit.

So as you claim that bitcoin is centralized then the transactions are not anonymous anymore?

I think we do not know the exact picture of what is happening now in the society of miners. Those news that sometimes appear do not bear the truth. We can only wait and hope that bitcoin transformations will pass quickly and imperceptibly. We can say that bitcoin is controlled by miners

That is not true, you should refrain from making this statement.

A few thousand users use the free bitcoin desktop client but that does not mean support for Core's reckless actions.
Tens of thousands or more use bitcoin accounts on exchanges or via web wallets so even those desktop users don't mean much.

What there is is a small minority of very loud and generally abusive people who keep misleading, threatening and abusing those who dare to express their valid concerns about Core's behaviour.

I feel alone, because people here don't have ideals or, simply, they are dumbs. I though this community could help me to fight, but I was wrong.
I miss 2012 when I started, everybode talking about god Satoshi and their ideals, but, now, money is the god and I am the atheist in middle of this church.

Yes, I do not believe it is decentralized. Bitcoin's anarchist days are long gone.
I used to believe that Bitcoin was the gold of the modern age. That is to say, gold is seen today as a means of storing wealth, not as a means of shopping together with the invention of money; Both by people and by central banks.
In modern times, I thought that bitcoin, a digital value based on hash power, could be seen as a means of storing wealth.

But,
A thought: the gold is a certain element in the periodic table. Throughout the ages, people have tried to make gold with alchemy, though technology has not progressed so far. The only way to get gold is mining.

Bitcoin is not. As a result, it continues to be developed by a software and core team. So after they come out, they can say that bitcoin is changed from now on. Hard fork, soft fork, segwit 1,2,3,4,5 can do everything. The bitcoin in your hand can also be split into 10 forks. Contrary to gold, they can give bitcoin any shape as they wish. Powerful states and corporations, rich people, deep powers, who can control and manipulate the world by affecting the world as if they are asking the developers of the bitch.

Bitcoin core is not in one place, but I seem to hear you say it is scattered. After all, who is more likely to have the power of mining and bitcoin if he can not afford it?

Is Bitcoin a decentralized system? On the contrary, it is necessary to think about what will evolve as a central system in which your wealth is governed.

I guess you don't understand what "decentralized" means, cryptocurrencies are all about consensus and open source - if you don't like the current network, you can always make your own fork with your own rules and see if other people will like it. Current majority of Bitcoin users supports Core, so it's not a problem if they have some influence. Also, it's not like developers have some master key to Bitcoin, they can't do anything to existing blockchain, no one can, they can only release new versions, and if people will not agree with it, they simply won't use it.

Current majority of Bitcoin users supports Core, so it's not a problem if they have some influence.

With the Segwit vs Segwit 2x debate, I have come to realize that there's is an attempt to hijack control of bitcoin. To me thats what Aug 1st is all about, POWER. Its really sad that we have come to this. Time will tell which team will come out victorious.